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It would be great to have some detail on here as to why we bother with Eurobonds. I recall that it's down to ridiculous tax laws in the United States "back in the day" that drove loads of business to London (thanks!)?
Furthermore, it would be good to comment on how buying a Eurodollar bond, for example, affects the dollar itself. You're not directly buying the dollar, but I guess the effect on the dollar is pretty much the same when you buy Eurodollar. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 147.62.42.119 ( talk) 07:29, 25 July 2008 (UTC)
In a financial world dominated since 1945 by the US, it’s striking that the global benchmark is a set of London rates. Paradoxically, the reason for this is Britain’s failure – crystallised in the 1957 sterling crisis – to re-establish the pound as a major international currency after the war. That prompted the leading British banks increasingly to lend, borrow and accept deposits in US dollars (‘eurodollars’, as they came to be called). The Bank of England overcame its initial anxieties and came tacitly to support the eurodollar market, and the Johnson administration inadvertently encouraged it by trying to stem the flow of dollars overseas. Eurodollar operations conducted in London allowed US banks to circumvent the new controls.
Wikipedia has now two completely different articles with very similar names. 1) Eurobonds (suggested European bonds), and 2) " Eurobond (Eurobonds in the meaning of international bonds denominated in a different currency). I suggest to change the name of this article "Eurobond" to something more specific to minimize confusion. Any ideas? -- spitzl ( talk) 12:44, 24 November 2011 (UTC)
And add the etymology. Curb Chain ( talk) 07:25, 1 June 2012 (UTC)
Google UK #1 result for Eurobond is http://www.eurobond.co.uk/, a manufacturer of building materials. John a s ( talk) 01:19, 3 December 2011 (UTC)
Eurobonds are named after the currency they are denominated in. For example, Euroyen and Eurodollar bonds are denominated in Japanese yen and American dollars respectively.
So if it was in Euros it would be called a Euroeuro ? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.46.109.233 ( talk) 09:26, 8 November 2013 (UTC)
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The result of the move request was: No consensus without prejudice against speedy renomination. ( closed by non-admin page mover) Thanks, -- DannyS712 ( talk) 05:26, 5 May 2019 (UTC)
– Eurobond (i.e. Eurodollar bonds) can be used in the plural, and Eurobonds (i.e. eurozone-issued bonds) can be used in the singular, making plurality entirely useless for distinguishing between the two topics. The first one is easy, as "External bond" is mentioned in the article as an alternate term, unambiguous and perfect for WP:NATURAL disambiguation. The second one I'm less sure about. The article says "European bonds" but that is ambiguous because it can refer to any bond issued in Europe. "Joint Eurobond", "Eurobond proposal", or "Proposed Eurobond" all sound fine to me. Happy to hear others' ideas.
At the end of it, we should turn Eurobond into a disambiguation page and redirect Eurobonds to it, as neither topic is primary. King of ♥ ♦ ♣ ♠ 02:49, 27 March 2019 (UTC)--Relisted. – Ammarpad ( talk) 17:26, 3 April 2019 (UTC)--Relisting. B dash ( talk) 00:09, 18 April 2019 (UTC)--Relisting. SITH (talk) 14:14, 27 April 2019 (UTC)
Moved. See disagreement below in regard to PTOPIC, and yet there is general agreement that the present titling needs to be improved. The first title is moved to Eurobond (international) and the second to Eurobond (eurozone). The basename will occupy a disambiguation page. In line with closing instructions, since "there is no consensus for the (qualifiers) actually chosen, if editors object to the closer's choices, they may make another move request immediately, hopefully to their final resting places". Kudos to editors for your input, and Happy Publishing! ( nac by page mover) Paine Ellsworth, ed. put'r there 15:57, 23 June 2019 (UTC)
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– As a result of the previous stalemate, we are still in a completely unacceptable situation which blatantly violates WP:PLURAL. Maybe it's a bit too much to ask people to simultaneously determine the primary topic and find appropriate titles for the non-primary topic(s). So let's conduct the RM in two stages: first determine the primary topic of "Eurobond", then figure out the titles afterwards. The options are:
Note that this presupposes the premise that "Eurobond" and "Eurobonds" must necessarily have the same primary topic; do speak up if you disagree. My ranked choices would be B > A > C, as I think Eurodollar bonds are a somewhat but not overwhelmingly more prominent topic. @ UnitedStatesian and Amakuru: Pinging past participants. King of ♥ ♦ ♣ ♠ 04:21, 22 May 2019 (UTC) --Relisting. Iffy★ Chat -- 08:53, 31 May 2019 (UTC)
Please see also User talk:Paine Ellsworth#Regarding your Eurobond / Eurobonds page moves for explanation in regard to why Eurobond (international) was redabbed to Eurobond (external bond). Paine Ellsworth, ed. put'r there 15:54, 25 June 2019 (UTC)
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It would be great to have some detail on here as to why we bother with Eurobonds. I recall that it's down to ridiculous tax laws in the United States "back in the day" that drove loads of business to London (thanks!)?
Furthermore, it would be good to comment on how buying a Eurodollar bond, for example, affects the dollar itself. You're not directly buying the dollar, but I guess the effect on the dollar is pretty much the same when you buy Eurodollar. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 147.62.42.119 ( talk) 07:29, 25 July 2008 (UTC)
In a financial world dominated since 1945 by the US, it’s striking that the global benchmark is a set of London rates. Paradoxically, the reason for this is Britain’s failure – crystallised in the 1957 sterling crisis – to re-establish the pound as a major international currency after the war. That prompted the leading British banks increasingly to lend, borrow and accept deposits in US dollars (‘eurodollars’, as they came to be called). The Bank of England overcame its initial anxieties and came tacitly to support the eurodollar market, and the Johnson administration inadvertently encouraged it by trying to stem the flow of dollars overseas. Eurodollar operations conducted in London allowed US banks to circumvent the new controls.
Wikipedia has now two completely different articles with very similar names. 1) Eurobonds (suggested European bonds), and 2) " Eurobond (Eurobonds in the meaning of international bonds denominated in a different currency). I suggest to change the name of this article "Eurobond" to something more specific to minimize confusion. Any ideas? -- spitzl ( talk) 12:44, 24 November 2011 (UTC)
And add the etymology. Curb Chain ( talk) 07:25, 1 June 2012 (UTC)
Google UK #1 result for Eurobond is http://www.eurobond.co.uk/, a manufacturer of building materials. John a s ( talk) 01:19, 3 December 2011 (UTC)
Eurobonds are named after the currency they are denominated in. For example, Euroyen and Eurodollar bonds are denominated in Japanese yen and American dollars respectively.
So if it was in Euros it would be called a Euroeuro ? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.46.109.233 ( talk) 09:26, 8 November 2013 (UTC)
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The result of the move request was: No consensus without prejudice against speedy renomination. ( closed by non-admin page mover) Thanks, -- DannyS712 ( talk) 05:26, 5 May 2019 (UTC)
– Eurobond (i.e. Eurodollar bonds) can be used in the plural, and Eurobonds (i.e. eurozone-issued bonds) can be used in the singular, making plurality entirely useless for distinguishing between the two topics. The first one is easy, as "External bond" is mentioned in the article as an alternate term, unambiguous and perfect for WP:NATURAL disambiguation. The second one I'm less sure about. The article says "European bonds" but that is ambiguous because it can refer to any bond issued in Europe. "Joint Eurobond", "Eurobond proposal", or "Proposed Eurobond" all sound fine to me. Happy to hear others' ideas.
At the end of it, we should turn Eurobond into a disambiguation page and redirect Eurobonds to it, as neither topic is primary. King of ♥ ♦ ♣ ♠ 02:49, 27 March 2019 (UTC)--Relisted. – Ammarpad ( talk) 17:26, 3 April 2019 (UTC)--Relisting. B dash ( talk) 00:09, 18 April 2019 (UTC)--Relisting. SITH (talk) 14:14, 27 April 2019 (UTC)
Moved. See disagreement below in regard to PTOPIC, and yet there is general agreement that the present titling needs to be improved. The first title is moved to Eurobond (international) and the second to Eurobond (eurozone). The basename will occupy a disambiguation page. In line with closing instructions, since "there is no consensus for the (qualifiers) actually chosen, if editors object to the closer's choices, they may make another move request immediately, hopefully to their final resting places". Kudos to editors for your input, and Happy Publishing! ( nac by page mover) Paine Ellsworth, ed. put'r there 15:57, 23 June 2019 (UTC)
![]() | It was proposed in this section that multiple pages be
renamed and moved somewhere else, with the names being decided below.
The discussion has been closed, and the result will be found in the closer's comment. Links:
current log •
target log |
– As a result of the previous stalemate, we are still in a completely unacceptable situation which blatantly violates WP:PLURAL. Maybe it's a bit too much to ask people to simultaneously determine the primary topic and find appropriate titles for the non-primary topic(s). So let's conduct the RM in two stages: first determine the primary topic of "Eurobond", then figure out the titles afterwards. The options are:
Note that this presupposes the premise that "Eurobond" and "Eurobonds" must necessarily have the same primary topic; do speak up if you disagree. My ranked choices would be B > A > C, as I think Eurodollar bonds are a somewhat but not overwhelmingly more prominent topic. @ UnitedStatesian and Amakuru: Pinging past participants. King of ♥ ♦ ♣ ♠ 04:21, 22 May 2019 (UTC) --Relisting. Iffy★ Chat -- 08:53, 31 May 2019 (UTC)
Please see also User talk:Paine Ellsworth#Regarding your Eurobond / Eurobonds page moves for explanation in regard to why Eurobond (international) was redabbed to Eurobond (external bond). Paine Ellsworth, ed. put'r there 15:54, 25 June 2019 (UTC)