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I added the COI tag, based on the semi-declared COI by the page's creator, and the possible COI by the most recent major contributor. BilledMammal ( talk) 00:44, 21 August 2021 (UTC)
@ Anassjerjawi: I think this org was also known as "Euromid Observer for Human Rights", the org that was initially declared unlawful by the Israeli MOD and to which the current naming was added. ( https://www.euromid.org/en redirects to the current name). If that is the case, then the history founding and so on needs updating to explain that background.
Ramy Abdu was chairman then as well. https://www.alamy.com/stock-photo-gaza-city-gaza-strip-palestinian-territory-21st-sep-2014-dr-ramy-abdu-73592109.html Selfstudier ( talk) 10:47, 21 August 2021 (UTC)
I have some questions about
WP:DUE and
WP:INDISCRIMINATE for the section "Migrants and Refugees". The information is verifiable but we can't, as INDISCRIMINATE requires, put the data in context with explanations referenced to independent sources
as EMHRM's work is cited, but not covered. Because of this, we also have to ask whether we are giving due weight to the work by covering it when other organizations only cite it.
There was also an element of WP:OVERCITING in the section, such as a link to the homepage of an organization included as a reference that I have now removed. This is possibly a product of the involved COI, as documented above. In relation to this, it is worth mentioning that the final source is a private video, added by said individual with a COI - while our lack of access to said sources doesn't preclude their use, our inability to verify a source added by a user with a COI is at a minimum problematic. BilledMammal ( talk) 11:34, 8 September 2021 (UTC)
in context with explanations referenced to independent sourcesas EMHRM's work is cited, but not covered."
explanations referenced to independent sources, explanations that we don't have as while the reports have been cited, they haven't been covered. With that said, I appreciate that you have justified your position, and while I continue to disagree I'm willing to leave it as is for now and see where it goes. BilledMammal ( talk) 22:42, 16 September 2021 (UTC)
Can/should we remove the COI tage here? IOHANNVSVERVS ( talk) 09:49, 10 January 2024 (UTC)
I removed the tag. IOHANNVSVERVS ( talk) 00:25, 13 January 2024 (UTC)
This revert ignores WP:BRD in order to serve the interests of an editor with an obvious and clear agenda, and a pointy edit to boot, deciding only just now, while there is a deletion discussion ongoing, that the article is not neutral. Selfstudier ( talk) 13:46, 30 January 2024 (UTC)
:::To make the article more balanced, it should be mentioned that Israel has declared the organization as a terrorist organization.
[2] Additionally, it should be noted that the NGO’s
UN Watch and
NGO Monitor accuse the NGO’s officials of bias and antisemitism.
[3]
[4]
Craftplorer (
talk)
05:27, 9 April 2024 (UTC)
WP:ARBECR, non EC editors may only file edit requests
Editor @ Alexis: ignores BRD and restores dubious sources that fail verification for the given edit, just barrel scraping for anything to make the source look bad. Selfstudier ( talk) 20:14, 18 April 2024 (UTC)
"Eupac's number two, Mazen Kahel, is also an element known to the French secret services (he resides in Paris), both for being part of the same terrorist network and for having coordinated the activity of the Euro-Med Human Rights Monitor (EHM ) which in this conflict is cited by the media as an authoritative source regarding the health situation in Gaza, forgetting its closeness to Hamas. The current leader of EHM is Ramy Abdu, who is also on the Tel Aviv government's black list, but this has not prevented him and his organization from gaining access to the European Parliament. As reported by "Ngo Monitor", it is registered to the transparency register and can enter reports, access the buildings, participate in all commissions as an auditor and enter reports of interest with the Eurodeputies."
So if I understand that properly, they say that Mazen Kahel "coordinated the activity of the Euro-Med Human Rights Monitor". Therefore EMM is tied to Hamas because of this. Then they cite NGO monitor, recently classed as gunrel, lest we forget. ANd if we go there, it says that Mazen Kahel was the EMM chair until 2019. Glad we cleared that up. Selfstudier ( talk) 23:00, 18 April 2024 (UTC)
The organization mainly reports on the Israel-Palestine conflict. It was founded by a Palestinian. This should be included in the opening paragraph. נוף כרמל ( talk) 18:44, 14 June 2024 (UTC)
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Warning: active arbitration remedies The contentious topics procedure applies to this article. Parts of this article relate to the Arab–Israeli conflict, which is a contentious topic. Furthermore, the following rules apply when editing the parts of the page related to the contentious topic:
Editors who repeatedly or seriously fail to adhere to the purpose of Wikipedia, any expected standards of behaviour, or any normal editorial process may be blocked or restricted by an administrator. Editors are advised to familiarise themselves with the contentious topics procedures before editing this page. If it is unclear which parts of the page are related to this contentious topic, the content in question should be marked within the wiki text by an invisible comment. If no comment is present, please ask an administrator for assistance. If in doubt it is better to assume that the content is covered.
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I added the COI tag, based on the semi-declared COI by the page's creator, and the possible COI by the most recent major contributor. BilledMammal ( talk) 00:44, 21 August 2021 (UTC)
@ Anassjerjawi: I think this org was also known as "Euromid Observer for Human Rights", the org that was initially declared unlawful by the Israeli MOD and to which the current naming was added. ( https://www.euromid.org/en redirects to the current name). If that is the case, then the history founding and so on needs updating to explain that background.
Ramy Abdu was chairman then as well. https://www.alamy.com/stock-photo-gaza-city-gaza-strip-palestinian-territory-21st-sep-2014-dr-ramy-abdu-73592109.html Selfstudier ( talk) 10:47, 21 August 2021 (UTC)
I have some questions about
WP:DUE and
WP:INDISCRIMINATE for the section "Migrants and Refugees". The information is verifiable but we can't, as INDISCRIMINATE requires, put the data in context with explanations referenced to independent sources
as EMHRM's work is cited, but not covered. Because of this, we also have to ask whether we are giving due weight to the work by covering it when other organizations only cite it.
There was also an element of WP:OVERCITING in the section, such as a link to the homepage of an organization included as a reference that I have now removed. This is possibly a product of the involved COI, as documented above. In relation to this, it is worth mentioning that the final source is a private video, added by said individual with a COI - while our lack of access to said sources doesn't preclude their use, our inability to verify a source added by a user with a COI is at a minimum problematic. BilledMammal ( talk) 11:34, 8 September 2021 (UTC)
in context with explanations referenced to independent sourcesas EMHRM's work is cited, but not covered."
explanations referenced to independent sources, explanations that we don't have as while the reports have been cited, they haven't been covered. With that said, I appreciate that you have justified your position, and while I continue to disagree I'm willing to leave it as is for now and see where it goes. BilledMammal ( talk) 22:42, 16 September 2021 (UTC)
Can/should we remove the COI tage here? IOHANNVSVERVS ( talk) 09:49, 10 January 2024 (UTC)
I removed the tag. IOHANNVSVERVS ( talk) 00:25, 13 January 2024 (UTC)
This revert ignores WP:BRD in order to serve the interests of an editor with an obvious and clear agenda, and a pointy edit to boot, deciding only just now, while there is a deletion discussion ongoing, that the article is not neutral. Selfstudier ( talk) 13:46, 30 January 2024 (UTC)
:::To make the article more balanced, it should be mentioned that Israel has declared the organization as a terrorist organization.
[2] Additionally, it should be noted that the NGO’s
UN Watch and
NGO Monitor accuse the NGO’s officials of bias and antisemitism.
[3]
[4]
Craftplorer (
talk)
05:27, 9 April 2024 (UTC)
WP:ARBECR, non EC editors may only file edit requests
Editor @ Alexis: ignores BRD and restores dubious sources that fail verification for the given edit, just barrel scraping for anything to make the source look bad. Selfstudier ( talk) 20:14, 18 April 2024 (UTC)
"Eupac's number two, Mazen Kahel, is also an element known to the French secret services (he resides in Paris), both for being part of the same terrorist network and for having coordinated the activity of the Euro-Med Human Rights Monitor (EHM ) which in this conflict is cited by the media as an authoritative source regarding the health situation in Gaza, forgetting its closeness to Hamas. The current leader of EHM is Ramy Abdu, who is also on the Tel Aviv government's black list, but this has not prevented him and his organization from gaining access to the European Parliament. As reported by "Ngo Monitor", it is registered to the transparency register and can enter reports, access the buildings, participate in all commissions as an auditor and enter reports of interest with the Eurodeputies."
So if I understand that properly, they say that Mazen Kahel "coordinated the activity of the Euro-Med Human Rights Monitor". Therefore EMM is tied to Hamas because of this. Then they cite NGO monitor, recently classed as gunrel, lest we forget. ANd if we go there, it says that Mazen Kahel was the EMM chair until 2019. Glad we cleared that up. Selfstudier ( talk) 23:00, 18 April 2024 (UTC)
The organization mainly reports on the Israel-Palestine conflict. It was founded by a Palestinian. This should be included in the opening paragraph. נוף כרמל ( talk) 18:44, 14 June 2024 (UTC)