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I think it is important to stress that Rastafarian thought is quite distinct from Ethiopian nationalism. Ethiopian nationalism stresses the particularities of Ethiopian culture/history, negating the African heritage and influence. Ethiopian nationalism is, in essence, inherently contradictory to pan-Africanism or Black nationalism. -- Soman ( talk) 11:32, 15 January 2012 (UTC)
Amhara nationalism redirects here, but the article does not explain the relationship between Amhara nationalism and Ethiopian nationalism, except to suggest that Amhara people played a part in promoting Ethiopian nationalism. This redirect is confusing in the context of 2019 Amhara Region coup d'état attempt, where "Amhara nationalist militias" are positioned against the government of Ethiopia. Duck type goose ( talk) 13:38, 24 June 2019 (UTC)
I've been editing lately without an account but I just recently created one because I have to call out some of the incorrect things I've seen here. Someone keeps deleting information about what other ethnic groups have done in building up the evolution of the Ethiopian state, all sources have been cited but someone is deleting them with no comment as to why. I feel like the person deleting the information is most likely biased against the topic of Ethiopian nationalism to the extent of derailing the topic and misconstruing its positions as seen by their selective deletion of the parts the Yejju and Wollo clans of the Oromo people, as well as the Tigrayans, and Agaw played in the course of Ethiopian history and Ethiopian nationalism painting Ethiopia as a solely Amhara state or at the very least making it out to look like that only Amharas were the ethnic group that played a role in the development of Ethiopia completely ignoring other ethnic group's input. See comparison: https://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Ethiopian_nationalism&type=revision&diff=990204589&oldid=990171499 . These issues are not only found in this Wikipedia article, but also seen throughout the internet with people with motives other than contributing the factual history, people have even started disinformation campaigns on Ethiopian history and politics, systematically trying to erase the role of other ethnic groups in Ethiopian history making it look like Ethiopia is an Amhara-only country with no historical leaders of other ethnicities, when in fact there were. This can be seen in the edits of other contributors and their deletion of large portions of the history section; compare the current iteration of this article with the previous one at the upcoming link: https://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Ethiopian_nationalism&oldid=990171499#cite_note-11 . JohnStewart256 ( talk) 15:05, 23 November 2020 (UTC)
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Stop mixing up Ethiopia with Amhara ethnicity. Ethiopian nationalism is the national (multi-ethnic) identity of the Ethiopian people. Amharas are only 1 ethnic group, Amhara nationalism redirects here for some twisted reason, and someone is replacing Ethiopia with Amhara on this article. Someone keeps calling the pre-EPRDF Ethiopian flag without State Symbol the Amhara flag when it is the traditional Ethiopian Flag used by all ethnic groups, and the Amhara flag looks nothing like the the Ethiopian flag. The Traditional Ethiopian Flag is Green, Yellow, and Red while the Amhara flag is Yellow, Red Yellow. 2601:14D:8581:2C70:7D2D:AE3E:71A:6224 ( talk) 21:33, 3 January 2021 (UTC)
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At the moment right now this article only expresses the views held by opponents of pan-Ethiopian nationalism and it ignores the views held by many modern supporters of pan-Ethiopian nationalism that come from many different ethnic groups which are not and never have been synonymous with the Amhara people. Here are a few things and sources one may use to give a balanced view of what pan-Ethiopian nationalism is perceived as from different perspectives. I have collected these from different iterations of this article which when put together explain the nuances and differences of opinion on this subject, which is something not properly mentioned in this article.
Hello a 3rd opinion about the further reading section would be most welcome, to determine whether it's appropriate or not. 14:13, 7 May 2021 (UTC)
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The article portrays false narratives of the Amhara ethnic group. These narratives have been unproven can be challenged, thus I request that this page be open to the public so that others may be able to have input and add information with sources since this article is completely one-sided and biased. Narratives like these are the exact same ones that are used in Ethiopia by many different groups of Ethiopians to justify the current ethnic cleansing and genocide of innocent ethnic Amharas across Ethiopia. Whoever wrote this article is probably sitting in the comfort of hi/her/their home in North America not having to worry about being killed for their ethnicity, meanwhile innocent Amhara mothers and children in Ethiopia are getting slaughtered on a daily basis as a result of false information spread under articles such as this one. Tewahedo Ethiopia ( talk) 23:10, 14 June 2021 (UTC)
@ ScottishFinnishRadish: You're right but I think the whole paragraphs must be inspected through their reliable sources. Some strictly use pejorative terms like "against Neftegna" in the first paragraph — a name used by Oromo people to describe Amhara as authoritarian — is written in unencyclopedic sense and some statements seem biased. For example, "Both the Haile Selassie and Derg governments relocated numerous Amharas into southern Ethiopia including the present-day Oromia Region, where they served in government administration, courts, church and even in schools, where Oromo texts were eliminated and replaced by Amharic." For this statement, these three sources ( [3], [4] and [5]) must be inspected because they resemble like original source authored by Oromo ethnicity with exaggerated words that seems to demean Amhara ethnic. It is difficult as fish expedition of which source is original source and how to detect them. However it is important to detect every texts and sources rather than leaving it for readers. The Supermind ( talk) 20:48, 11 July 2021 (UTC)
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Under the "Era of Ethnic Federalism" header, change:
"In 1991, the TPLF has had almost complete control of the national government..." to "In 1991, the TPLF had almost complete control of the national government...,"
"In the early 1990s, the TPLF believed that through an ethnic federalist state system, one in which regions were assigned and divided by the ethnic population. They regulated [...]" to something like
"In the early 1990s, the TPLF believed that through an ethnic federalist state system, one in which regions were assigned and divided by the ethnic population, they could [...]"
"In 2015 after a master plan was unveiled to expand the boundaries of the capital Addis Ababa into Oromia in 2014, thousands of Oromo Youth Liberation Movement members took up to the streets demanding increased political representation, an end to the TPLF sponsored Master Plan and avenues of dissent.[19]" to "In 2015, after a master plan was unveiled to expand the boundaries of the capital Addis Ababa into Oromia in 2014, thousands of Oromo Youth Liberation Movement members took to the streets to demand increased political representation, an end to the TPLF sponsored Master Plan, and avenues of dissent.[19]"
I believe that these edits would fix various grammar issues without altering the meaning of the statements above, let me know if anyone can clarify their intended meanings.
Spiderduckpig ( talk) 13:56, 2 November 2021 (UTC)Spiderduckpig Spiderduckpig ( talk) 13:56, 2 November 2021 (UTC)
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I think it is important to stress that Rastafarian thought is quite distinct from Ethiopian nationalism. Ethiopian nationalism stresses the particularities of Ethiopian culture/history, negating the African heritage and influence. Ethiopian nationalism is, in essence, inherently contradictory to pan-Africanism or Black nationalism. -- Soman ( talk) 11:32, 15 January 2012 (UTC)
Amhara nationalism redirects here, but the article does not explain the relationship between Amhara nationalism and Ethiopian nationalism, except to suggest that Amhara people played a part in promoting Ethiopian nationalism. This redirect is confusing in the context of 2019 Amhara Region coup d'état attempt, where "Amhara nationalist militias" are positioned against the government of Ethiopia. Duck type goose ( talk) 13:38, 24 June 2019 (UTC)
I've been editing lately without an account but I just recently created one because I have to call out some of the incorrect things I've seen here. Someone keeps deleting information about what other ethnic groups have done in building up the evolution of the Ethiopian state, all sources have been cited but someone is deleting them with no comment as to why. I feel like the person deleting the information is most likely biased against the topic of Ethiopian nationalism to the extent of derailing the topic and misconstruing its positions as seen by their selective deletion of the parts the Yejju and Wollo clans of the Oromo people, as well as the Tigrayans, and Agaw played in the course of Ethiopian history and Ethiopian nationalism painting Ethiopia as a solely Amhara state or at the very least making it out to look like that only Amharas were the ethnic group that played a role in the development of Ethiopia completely ignoring other ethnic group's input. See comparison: https://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Ethiopian_nationalism&type=revision&diff=990204589&oldid=990171499 . These issues are not only found in this Wikipedia article, but also seen throughout the internet with people with motives other than contributing the factual history, people have even started disinformation campaigns on Ethiopian history and politics, systematically trying to erase the role of other ethnic groups in Ethiopian history making it look like Ethiopia is an Amhara-only country with no historical leaders of other ethnicities, when in fact there were. This can be seen in the edits of other contributors and their deletion of large portions of the history section; compare the current iteration of this article with the previous one at the upcoming link: https://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Ethiopian_nationalism&oldid=990171499#cite_note-11 . JohnStewart256 ( talk) 15:05, 23 November 2020 (UTC)
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Stop mixing up Ethiopia with Amhara ethnicity. Ethiopian nationalism is the national (multi-ethnic) identity of the Ethiopian people. Amharas are only 1 ethnic group, Amhara nationalism redirects here for some twisted reason, and someone is replacing Ethiopia with Amhara on this article. Someone keeps calling the pre-EPRDF Ethiopian flag without State Symbol the Amhara flag when it is the traditional Ethiopian Flag used by all ethnic groups, and the Amhara flag looks nothing like the the Ethiopian flag. The Traditional Ethiopian Flag is Green, Yellow, and Red while the Amhara flag is Yellow, Red Yellow. 2601:14D:8581:2C70:7D2D:AE3E:71A:6224 ( talk) 21:33, 3 January 2021 (UTC)
HOA101 ( talk) 23:40, 29 March 2021 (UTC)
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At the moment right now this article only expresses the views held by opponents of pan-Ethiopian nationalism and it ignores the views held by many modern supporters of pan-Ethiopian nationalism that come from many different ethnic groups which are not and never have been synonymous with the Amhara people. Here are a few things and sources one may use to give a balanced view of what pan-Ethiopian nationalism is perceived as from different perspectives. I have collected these from different iterations of this article which when put together explain the nuances and differences of opinion on this subject, which is something not properly mentioned in this article.
Hello a 3rd opinion about the further reading section would be most welcome, to determine whether it's appropriate or not. 14:13, 7 May 2021 (UTC)
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The article portrays false narratives of the Amhara ethnic group. These narratives have been unproven can be challenged, thus I request that this page be open to the public so that others may be able to have input and add information with sources since this article is completely one-sided and biased. Narratives like these are the exact same ones that are used in Ethiopia by many different groups of Ethiopians to justify the current ethnic cleansing and genocide of innocent ethnic Amharas across Ethiopia. Whoever wrote this article is probably sitting in the comfort of hi/her/their home in North America not having to worry about being killed for their ethnicity, meanwhile innocent Amhara mothers and children in Ethiopia are getting slaughtered on a daily basis as a result of false information spread under articles such as this one. Tewahedo Ethiopia ( talk) 23:10, 14 June 2021 (UTC)
@ ScottishFinnishRadish: You're right but I think the whole paragraphs must be inspected through their reliable sources. Some strictly use pejorative terms like "against Neftegna" in the first paragraph — a name used by Oromo people to describe Amhara as authoritarian — is written in unencyclopedic sense and some statements seem biased. For example, "Both the Haile Selassie and Derg governments relocated numerous Amharas into southern Ethiopia including the present-day Oromia Region, where they served in government administration, courts, church and even in schools, where Oromo texts were eliminated and replaced by Amharic." For this statement, these three sources ( [3], [4] and [5]) must be inspected because they resemble like original source authored by Oromo ethnicity with exaggerated words that seems to demean Amhara ethnic. It is difficult as fish expedition of which source is original source and how to detect them. However it is important to detect every texts and sources rather than leaving it for readers. The Supermind ( talk) 20:48, 11 July 2021 (UTC)
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Under the "Era of Ethnic Federalism" header, change:
"In 1991, the TPLF has had almost complete control of the national government..." to "In 1991, the TPLF had almost complete control of the national government...,"
"In the early 1990s, the TPLF believed that through an ethnic federalist state system, one in which regions were assigned and divided by the ethnic population. They regulated [...]" to something like
"In the early 1990s, the TPLF believed that through an ethnic federalist state system, one in which regions were assigned and divided by the ethnic population, they could [...]"
"In 2015 after a master plan was unveiled to expand the boundaries of the capital Addis Ababa into Oromia in 2014, thousands of Oromo Youth Liberation Movement members took up to the streets demanding increased political representation, an end to the TPLF sponsored Master Plan and avenues of dissent.[19]" to "In 2015, after a master plan was unveiled to expand the boundaries of the capital Addis Ababa into Oromia in 2014, thousands of Oromo Youth Liberation Movement members took to the streets to demand increased political representation, an end to the TPLF sponsored Master Plan, and avenues of dissent.[19]"
I believe that these edits would fix various grammar issues without altering the meaning of the statements above, let me know if anyone can clarify their intended meanings.
Spiderduckpig ( talk) 13:56, 2 November 2021 (UTC)Spiderduckpig Spiderduckpig ( talk) 13:56, 2 November 2021 (UTC)