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On November 19th, 2004, the Acid rap article was listed for VfD. The result of the debate was a nearly unanimous vote of KEEP (16:2). A record of the discussion for deletion of this page on Wikipedia:Votes for deletion may be found at Wikipedia:Votes for deletion/Acid rap.
In the opening paragraph it states: ESHAM (East Side Hoes And Money) (born Rashaam Attica Smith on September 20, 1973) is a rapper from Detroit, Michigan and member of the hip hop group Natas. He calls his style of rock-influenced hip hop "acid rap". He released his first album, Boomin' Words from Hell, in 1990 at the age of 13.
I'm unsure as to when he was born or when his first album dropped or at what age, but if he was born in 1973, then in 1990 he would have been 17, not 13 as this states. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Echosider ( talk • contribs) 21:11, 5 April 2008 (UTC)
It's likely that he was born in 1973. On the Closed Casket album cover it reads "1973-1994" likely denoting Esham's birth year and fictional death year. Some sources also state Esham as being 15 when he released his first album, which is the age he would have been until September of 1989.
According to the artist, it was first released independently in 1988 http://imgur.com/gallery/KD0Ysa1 2604:CA00:160:47C8:0:0:E60:CB0 ( talk) 17:43, 8 July 2021 (UTC)
I haven't seen anywhere where it said 'Rashaam' was his birth name or any references for that being accurate on here. I have information for 'Esham' being his birth name and have a reference listed for it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.247.137.111 ( talk) 01:16, 7 December 2012 (UTC)
LOOK AT THE SOURCES. HIS NAME IS RASHAAM AND HE WAS 13 WHEN HE RELEASED HIS FIRST ALBUM. 166.182.82.188 ( talk) 02:42, 5 June 2018 (UTC)
This is so ridiculous. I'm explicitly only leaving it "Esham" because the internet is so extremely unreliable in this scenario and I don't want to be banned because some simpleton can't accept that the man's parents didn't name him East Side Hos and Money, but **his name is Rashaam**. Matter of fact, I'ma go ask him on Instagram and host that somewhere and link it here. See y'all in a week or so. LSDXM ( talk) 15:54, 8 July 2021 (UTC)
Ok so I asked E himself, and I'm wrong about his name, and we're all wrong about the release of Boomin'
http://imgur.com/gallery/KD0Ysa1 LSDXM ( talk) 17:42, 8 July 2021 (UTC)
Here's his High school diploma; no mention of "Attica"
http://imgur.com/gallery/NKZtMWD LSDXM ( talk) 18:38, 8 July 2021 (UTC)
Just as an FYI, there's going to be a merger proposal over at Merger proposal/notability discussion for the genre over whether or not the subject of acid rap as a genre deserves its own page. There's been a reversion war over the topic and I thought that it would be good to at least revisit the subject since it's been a while since the last merger proposal. Tokyogirl79 (。◕‿◕。) 16:26, 10 October 2013 (UTC)
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You know how you "verify" statements on Wikipedia? Reliable sources. You don't go to a bunch of dumb fan sites and ignore the reliable, researched sources like Allmusic which say his real name was Rashaam Smith and he was 13 when he released his debut album. You just don't do that.
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The article was promoted in 2008, and maintenance has been clearly lacking ever since. (ETA: Turns out I was the one who passed in 2008. Wow.) Ten Pound Hammer • ( What did I screw up now?) 00:49, 18 October 2017 (UTC)
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After a bout of sockpuppet disruption from banned User:Sugar Bear, the biography has been placed under protection. While protection continues, we should figure out what to write about Esham's birth info.
Our sources provide contradictory information about Esham's birth name and birth year. Especially troubling is that Jason Birchmeier contradicts himself between an online source and a book source. In 2000, MTV confidently gives one age, but 12 years later they are not so sure. Below is a list of what the sources say:
The problem we have is how we represent these contradictions to the reader. To me, it looks like Esham Attica Smith was the birth name, with "Rashaam" some kind of later name, if the myheritage sources are to be trusted. And if that's the case, then 1973 is the year. Otherwise, the names Esham and Rashaam are equally represented in the reliable sources, and the middle name is only shown by the initial A, if at all. The birth years go from 1973 to 1977. Binksternet ( talk) 04:11, 7 September 2018 (UTC)
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On November 19th, 2004, the Acid rap article was listed for VfD. The result of the debate was a nearly unanimous vote of KEEP (16:2). A record of the discussion for deletion of this page on Wikipedia:Votes for deletion may be found at Wikipedia:Votes for deletion/Acid rap.
In the opening paragraph it states: ESHAM (East Side Hoes And Money) (born Rashaam Attica Smith on September 20, 1973) is a rapper from Detroit, Michigan and member of the hip hop group Natas. He calls his style of rock-influenced hip hop "acid rap". He released his first album, Boomin' Words from Hell, in 1990 at the age of 13.
I'm unsure as to when he was born or when his first album dropped or at what age, but if he was born in 1973, then in 1990 he would have been 17, not 13 as this states. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Echosider ( talk • contribs) 21:11, 5 April 2008 (UTC)
It's likely that he was born in 1973. On the Closed Casket album cover it reads "1973-1994" likely denoting Esham's birth year and fictional death year. Some sources also state Esham as being 15 when he released his first album, which is the age he would have been until September of 1989.
According to the artist, it was first released independently in 1988 http://imgur.com/gallery/KD0Ysa1 2604:CA00:160:47C8:0:0:E60:CB0 ( talk) 17:43, 8 July 2021 (UTC)
I haven't seen anywhere where it said 'Rashaam' was his birth name or any references for that being accurate on here. I have information for 'Esham' being his birth name and have a reference listed for it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.247.137.111 ( talk) 01:16, 7 December 2012 (UTC)
LOOK AT THE SOURCES. HIS NAME IS RASHAAM AND HE WAS 13 WHEN HE RELEASED HIS FIRST ALBUM. 166.182.82.188 ( talk) 02:42, 5 June 2018 (UTC)
This is so ridiculous. I'm explicitly only leaving it "Esham" because the internet is so extremely unreliable in this scenario and I don't want to be banned because some simpleton can't accept that the man's parents didn't name him East Side Hos and Money, but **his name is Rashaam**. Matter of fact, I'ma go ask him on Instagram and host that somewhere and link it here. See y'all in a week or so. LSDXM ( talk) 15:54, 8 July 2021 (UTC)
Ok so I asked E himself, and I'm wrong about his name, and we're all wrong about the release of Boomin'
http://imgur.com/gallery/KD0Ysa1 LSDXM ( talk) 17:42, 8 July 2021 (UTC)
Here's his High school diploma; no mention of "Attica"
http://imgur.com/gallery/NKZtMWD LSDXM ( talk) 18:38, 8 July 2021 (UTC)
Just as an FYI, there's going to be a merger proposal over at Merger proposal/notability discussion for the genre over whether or not the subject of acid rap as a genre deserves its own page. There's been a reversion war over the topic and I thought that it would be good to at least revisit the subject since it's been a while since the last merger proposal. Tokyogirl79 (。◕‿◕。) 16:26, 10 October 2013 (UTC)
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You know how you "verify" statements on Wikipedia? Reliable sources. You don't go to a bunch of dumb fan sites and ignore the reliable, researched sources like Allmusic which say his real name was Rashaam Smith and he was 13 when he released his debut album. You just don't do that.
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The article was promoted in 2008, and maintenance has been clearly lacking ever since. (ETA: Turns out I was the one who passed in 2008. Wow.) Ten Pound Hammer • ( What did I screw up now?) 00:49, 18 October 2017 (UTC)
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After a bout of sockpuppet disruption from banned User:Sugar Bear, the biography has been placed under protection. While protection continues, we should figure out what to write about Esham's birth info.
Our sources provide contradictory information about Esham's birth name and birth year. Especially troubling is that Jason Birchmeier contradicts himself between an online source and a book source. In 2000, MTV confidently gives one age, but 12 years later they are not so sure. Below is a list of what the sources say:
The problem we have is how we represent these contradictions to the reader. To me, it looks like Esham Attica Smith was the birth name, with "Rashaam" some kind of later name, if the myheritage sources are to be trusted. And if that's the case, then 1973 is the year. Otherwise, the names Esham and Rashaam are equally represented in the reliable sources, and the middle name is only shown by the initial A, if at all. The birth years go from 1973 to 1977. Binksternet ( talk) 04:11, 7 September 2018 (UTC)