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Someone needs to check the "rumour" and "investigations" mentioned, also the bit about a wheel leaping thru the carriage floor. Rich Farmbrough 22:35, 24 November 2005 (UTC)
The article does not address how many officials, engineers and capitalists have been demoted and imprisoned for their criminal role in this railway disaster! In Japan's Shinkansen the entire railway crew would commit seppuku after such an event!
It was not an accident, an accident is an "act of God" which is unpreventable. This tragedy was caused by careless people at all levels and their names should be put to display to publicly humiliate them for killing so many innocent people! In Europe the railway guilty are never punished as seen with this ICE and the austrian ski funicular train inferno! 195.70.32.136 19:13, 3 January 2006 (UTC)
There is a mention in the first of the causative factors that DB policies refused to stop the train. This isn't mentioned before this point: at what point did "DB policies" refuse to stop the train? Willkm 22:05, 26 January 2006 (UTC)
The coordinates go out to the 100-trillionth (American) of a degree. If my rough calculation is correct, for the latitude calculation (for which a change in latitude is constant for any latitude (which is not the case for longitude)), this last decimal place would correspond to something on the order of a hundredth of an Angstrom. This would be only about 1000 times larger than the size of a proton, or about one-fiftieth the size of the Bohr radius. The area of the accident is obviously much larger than this. So, I'm going to see if I can change this to the ten-thousandth of a degree instead. Ufwuct 03:03, 21 June 2006 (UTC)
I don't know about the bridge design being a factor on the accident. The train was already derailed when it hit the bridge. While the bridge may have been a factor on the inpact of the fifth car (I think), the bridge's design wouldn't have stopped the accident from happening.
The wheel's ring made an inpact with a rail changer section which caused the car to take another set of rails while the first few cars were on the normal track. This caused the derailment of the rest of the cars. -- Cirilobeto 21:40, 27 August 2006 (UTC)
I've changed the coordinates in the article to show the actual bridge that was destroyed in the accident. Previously, they pointed to the site where the wheel came loose - while this may technically _be_ the site of the accident, the bridge is the site where the disastrous outcome is most obvious, and also where the monument is located. (As to be seen in the satellite picture) -- doco (☏) 16:31, 15 January 2007 (UTC)
"In Germany, companies may not be tried in criminal courts; only people may be tried.[1]"
This is not a correct info. They can be tried, but only real legal persons can be sentenced. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.210.48.42 ( talk) 01:01, 1 November 2010 (UTC)
Hi! I would like to thank the author(s) for his(their) work. I've translated this article into French for wikipedia. Best regards 82.251.242.150 23:22, 2 February 2007 (UTC)
In de:ICE-Unglück von Eschede, the bridge weighs 200 tons. -- 217.235.226.59
I am translating the article (rather from en, than de, because my de is poor) and I am confused. English text says: The tearing of the wagon hitches caused automatic brakes to engage and the mostly undamaged cars 1 to 3 (as well as the front locomotive) came to a halt at the Eschede train station, some three kilometers (two miles) down the track. German version at the same point says: Durch das Zerreißen der Waggonkupplungen wurden die automatischen Bremsen ausgelöst und die weitgehend unbeschädigten Wagen 1 bis 3 blieben vor dem Bahnhof Eschede stehen.
English version uses an expression came to halt at the Eschede train station. German version uses blieben vor dem Bahnhof Eschede stehen. With my really poor German skills, I translated it as: remained to stand in front of the Bahnhof Eschede stehen.
And now! English version says: the station manager informed him of the situation ("You passed through alone! You're derailed!"). German version says the same here: Vom Unglück wurde er erst durch den Fahrdienstleiter des Bahnhofs Eschede informiert: „Du bist hier allein vorbeigefahren! Du bist entgleist!“
How should I interpret the description? Did the locomotive with three cars passed the Eschede train station, or not? Where it stopped? Thanks. Miraceti 17:15, 3 June 2007 (UTC)
Moreover, Eschede train station is not 3 km from the place of the disaster but much less, about 1 km. Check the map. Miraceti 09:44, 4 June 2007 (UTC)
Another unclear thing:
The rear axles of car number 3 were switched onto a parallel track, and the entire car was thereby thrown into the piers supporting a 300-tonne roadway overpass, destroying them.
The tearing of the wagon hitches caused automatic brakes to engage and the mostly undamaged cars 1 to 3 (as well as the front locomotive) came to a halt at the Eschede train station...
How was it possible that car 3 destroyed the piers but came to the Eschede train station mostly undamaged? Miraceti 23:44, 6 June 2007 (UTC)
One paragraph says, "The rear axles of car number 3 were switched onto a parallel track, and the entire car was thereby thrown into the piers supporting a 300-tonne roadway overpass, destroying them."
The very next paragraph says, "The breaking of the car couplings caused the automatic brakes to engage and the mostly undamaged cars 1 to 3 (as well as the front power head) came to a halt at the Eschede train station, some three kilometers (two miles) down the track."
So was Car 3 thrown into the overpass, or did Car 3 make it safely to the station? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 121.143.179.133 ( talk) 15:27, 23 February 2008 (UTC)
Car 7 was the restaurant car and according to the article was crushed. Car 8 was the power car. Cars 10 through 12 were first-class cars.So what was Car 9? (It presumably was also wrecked.) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Paul Abrahams ( talk • contribs) 02:11, 6 March 2015 (UTC)
The article only states While the driver and many passengers in the front part of the train survived with minor to moderate injuries, there was little chance of survival for those in the rear carriages
. Details please!
What caused casualties in the "front part" of the train? Did everybody in the "rear carriages" die? Or what chance is "little"?
CapnZapp ( talk) 22:58, 24 October 2019 (UTC)
Hi @ David notMD, you removed the Volkswagen Golf theory from this article. I think it should be included because it was part of the analysis process what happened during the crash. Do you disagree? PhotographyEdits ( talk) 19:22, 9 November 2022 (UTC)
I wanted to read the original investigation report and sent an email to the archive department of Deutsche Bahn. I got the following reply:
"Thank you for your message. Unfortunately, we cannot help you any further, as this report is not public and interests of third parties are also affected."
It means that the best possible source is not publicly available, which is sad. I'm leaving it here so nobody is going to do duplicate efforts in this case. PhotographyEdits ( talk) 12:26, 16 January 2023 (UTC)
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Someone needs to check the "rumour" and "investigations" mentioned, also the bit about a wheel leaping thru the carriage floor. Rich Farmbrough 22:35, 24 November 2005 (UTC)
The article does not address how many officials, engineers and capitalists have been demoted and imprisoned for their criminal role in this railway disaster! In Japan's Shinkansen the entire railway crew would commit seppuku after such an event!
It was not an accident, an accident is an "act of God" which is unpreventable. This tragedy was caused by careless people at all levels and their names should be put to display to publicly humiliate them for killing so many innocent people! In Europe the railway guilty are never punished as seen with this ICE and the austrian ski funicular train inferno! 195.70.32.136 19:13, 3 January 2006 (UTC)
There is a mention in the first of the causative factors that DB policies refused to stop the train. This isn't mentioned before this point: at what point did "DB policies" refuse to stop the train? Willkm 22:05, 26 January 2006 (UTC)
The coordinates go out to the 100-trillionth (American) of a degree. If my rough calculation is correct, for the latitude calculation (for which a change in latitude is constant for any latitude (which is not the case for longitude)), this last decimal place would correspond to something on the order of a hundredth of an Angstrom. This would be only about 1000 times larger than the size of a proton, or about one-fiftieth the size of the Bohr radius. The area of the accident is obviously much larger than this. So, I'm going to see if I can change this to the ten-thousandth of a degree instead. Ufwuct 03:03, 21 June 2006 (UTC)
I don't know about the bridge design being a factor on the accident. The train was already derailed when it hit the bridge. While the bridge may have been a factor on the inpact of the fifth car (I think), the bridge's design wouldn't have stopped the accident from happening.
The wheel's ring made an inpact with a rail changer section which caused the car to take another set of rails while the first few cars were on the normal track. This caused the derailment of the rest of the cars. -- Cirilobeto 21:40, 27 August 2006 (UTC)
I've changed the coordinates in the article to show the actual bridge that was destroyed in the accident. Previously, they pointed to the site where the wheel came loose - while this may technically _be_ the site of the accident, the bridge is the site where the disastrous outcome is most obvious, and also where the monument is located. (As to be seen in the satellite picture) -- doco (☏) 16:31, 15 January 2007 (UTC)
"In Germany, companies may not be tried in criminal courts; only people may be tried.[1]"
This is not a correct info. They can be tried, but only real legal persons can be sentenced. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.210.48.42 ( talk) 01:01, 1 November 2010 (UTC)
Hi! I would like to thank the author(s) for his(their) work. I've translated this article into French for wikipedia. Best regards 82.251.242.150 23:22, 2 February 2007 (UTC)
In de:ICE-Unglück von Eschede, the bridge weighs 200 tons. -- 217.235.226.59
I am translating the article (rather from en, than de, because my de is poor) and I am confused. English text says: The tearing of the wagon hitches caused automatic brakes to engage and the mostly undamaged cars 1 to 3 (as well as the front locomotive) came to a halt at the Eschede train station, some three kilometers (two miles) down the track. German version at the same point says: Durch das Zerreißen der Waggonkupplungen wurden die automatischen Bremsen ausgelöst und die weitgehend unbeschädigten Wagen 1 bis 3 blieben vor dem Bahnhof Eschede stehen.
English version uses an expression came to halt at the Eschede train station. German version uses blieben vor dem Bahnhof Eschede stehen. With my really poor German skills, I translated it as: remained to stand in front of the Bahnhof Eschede stehen.
And now! English version says: the station manager informed him of the situation ("You passed through alone! You're derailed!"). German version says the same here: Vom Unglück wurde er erst durch den Fahrdienstleiter des Bahnhofs Eschede informiert: „Du bist hier allein vorbeigefahren! Du bist entgleist!“
How should I interpret the description? Did the locomotive with three cars passed the Eschede train station, or not? Where it stopped? Thanks. Miraceti 17:15, 3 June 2007 (UTC)
Moreover, Eschede train station is not 3 km from the place of the disaster but much less, about 1 km. Check the map. Miraceti 09:44, 4 June 2007 (UTC)
Another unclear thing:
The rear axles of car number 3 were switched onto a parallel track, and the entire car was thereby thrown into the piers supporting a 300-tonne roadway overpass, destroying them.
The tearing of the wagon hitches caused automatic brakes to engage and the mostly undamaged cars 1 to 3 (as well as the front locomotive) came to a halt at the Eschede train station...
How was it possible that car 3 destroyed the piers but came to the Eschede train station mostly undamaged? Miraceti 23:44, 6 June 2007 (UTC)
One paragraph says, "The rear axles of car number 3 were switched onto a parallel track, and the entire car was thereby thrown into the piers supporting a 300-tonne roadway overpass, destroying them."
The very next paragraph says, "The breaking of the car couplings caused the automatic brakes to engage and the mostly undamaged cars 1 to 3 (as well as the front power head) came to a halt at the Eschede train station, some three kilometers (two miles) down the track."
So was Car 3 thrown into the overpass, or did Car 3 make it safely to the station? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 121.143.179.133 ( talk) 15:27, 23 February 2008 (UTC)
Car 7 was the restaurant car and according to the article was crushed. Car 8 was the power car. Cars 10 through 12 were first-class cars.So what was Car 9? (It presumably was also wrecked.) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Paul Abrahams ( talk • contribs) 02:11, 6 March 2015 (UTC)
The article only states While the driver and many passengers in the front part of the train survived with minor to moderate injuries, there was little chance of survival for those in the rear carriages
. Details please!
What caused casualties in the "front part" of the train? Did everybody in the "rear carriages" die? Or what chance is "little"?
CapnZapp ( talk) 22:58, 24 October 2019 (UTC)
Hi @ David notMD, you removed the Volkswagen Golf theory from this article. I think it should be included because it was part of the analysis process what happened during the crash. Do you disagree? PhotographyEdits ( talk) 19:22, 9 November 2022 (UTC)
I wanted to read the original investigation report and sent an email to the archive department of Deutsche Bahn. I got the following reply:
"Thank you for your message. Unfortunately, we cannot help you any further, as this report is not public and interests of third parties are also affected."
It means that the best possible source is not publicly available, which is sad. I'm leaving it here so nobody is going to do duplicate efforts in this case. PhotographyEdits ( talk) 12:26, 16 January 2023 (UTC)