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22:02 7 January 2011 version is really written in "mediocre" English but this is not enough to remove it to show incorrect information and misinform people. There is no chauvinistic content in it. Reasons to remove version 18:29 7 January 2011 are folow: 1) --- and Azerbaijan was a part of Czarist Russia--- this information is incorrect. Czarist Russia has Caucasian Tatars in South Caucasus, but name Azerbaijan was called in 1918 independence (after collapse of Czarist Russia). 2) After the violent seven-day Pogrom of Armenians in Baku--- Armenian community of Azerbaijan fled the country --- this information is incorrect too. It can insult many Armenian people lived in Baku in past, because almost all Armenians remained in Baku in 13 January of 1990 died of massacre, they couldn't fled the country. ASALA7.08.1982 ( talk) 19:46, 12 January 2011 (UTC)
This article consists of facts only, and everything can be easyly proved.
That's right, Baku_Old_City binding to the image is removed. But any groundless revert of the right version will automatically add new Links and new facts to this "POV". ASALA7.08.1982 ( talk) 19:46, 12 January 2011 (UTC)
ATTENTION: words --- and Azerbaijan was a part of Czarist Russia --- is a deliberate misinformation it need to be removed.
ASALA7.08.1982 (
talk)
19:46, 12 January 2011 (UTC)
I disappointed with the policy of
reverting veracious editions on WIKIPEDIA and helping to some users who neglicting historical facts.
[
Following edition] is remaining as a single true version of this article which is spoiled with help of the people who threating with blocking those users who telles no lie.
Current version giving wrong picture on this issue. Its [
true edition] was forcibly [
falsified] and definitely so will be in future.
ASALA7.08.1982 (
talk)
19:46, 12 January 2011 (UTC)
[ version] is based on very dubious POV. Let's see them seriatim:
Dear
HJ Mitchell.
It is needless to promote to anti-armenian deletionists.
178.78.142.155 (
talk)
11:30, 23 January 2011 (UTC)
Wikipedia must be reliable source of information. Mr HJ Mitchell it's second time you used your resources to help spreading LIE of azeri users that continuously neglict 3 points mentioned above. This is a INTENTIONAL OUT TO TWIST PEOPLE about 1990th events in Baku. This users systematicly neglicting any requests to show thir arguments in this talk page. Your actions are result of your preconception to Armenians and probably nationalistic minds. I'm sorry, but you being conducive to DECREASE OF WIKIPEDIA'S LEVEL OF CONFIDENCE. People thinking they can reach any goals by stopping somebody's mouth are very naive. 46.241.144.195 ( talk) 07:09, 28 January 2011 (UTC).
Dear Mr.
Golbez probably words like "bestially killed" seemed you unfitting to wikipedia's articles. But this is exactly what happened in Baku at events of 1990. Calling it something else means to lie. Also your belief still not enough reason to revert this article to edits by user 81.213.222.51 wich based on poor POV (in other words - LIE).
46.241.157.79 (
talk)
15:46, 6 April 2011 (UTC)
Here we go, in Google Books search there are
So, after this you have questions about the name?? In English, the most common name is Armenikend (the Russian version) and not Ermenikend (Azeri version). -- Yerevanci ( talk) 16:49, 25 January 2012 (UTC)
Ermenikend → Armenikend – per WP:COMMONNAME.
-- Yerevanci ( talk) 23:10, 9 February 2012 (UTC)
Maybe WP:RfC can help? -- va c io 20:24, 12 February 2012 (UTC)
I believe this poorly written and uncensored article should be deleted, and whatever useful information there is to be merged into Armenians of Azerbaijan article. -- George Spurlin ( talk) 03:26, 11 February 2012 (UTC)
It should be merged with Armenians in Baku. Parishan ( talk) 09:02, 24 February 2012 (UTC)
The article provides inaccurate information. The Soviet development in the area was not called Armenikend, it was called Mamedyarov settlement. See: [2] The people who lived there were of different ethnic origin, mostly workers of various industries. So there's no basis for the claim that there was a place called Armenikend with predominant Armenian population after the Russian revolution. Soviets did their best to dissolve ethnic ghettos and mix population in the city. Grand master 11:47, 8 June 2012 (UTC)
I believe in sources. Like these:
Так, например, Арменикенд в Баку перестал быть специфически армянской частью города: новые дома в нем заселяются лицами разной национальности.
Юлиан Владимирович Бромлей, Институт этнографии имени Н.Н. Миклухо-Маклая. Современные этнические процессы в СССР. Наука, 1977
Очень интересными и прогрессивным для того времени были предложения групны А. Иваницкого по застройке жилых кварталов Баку, а в районе Арменикенд (ныне поселок Мамедъярова) — целой групны кварталов.
Рена Махмудовна Эфендизаде. Архитектура Советского Азербайджана. Стройиздат, 1986
Арменикенд (ныне посёлок им. Мамедьярова), являвшийся одним из первых районов массового жилого строительства в Советском Союзе.
Борис Владимирович Иогансон. Искусство стран и народов мира. Искусство стран и народов мира: краткая художественная энциклопедия: архитектура, живопись, скульптура, графика, декоративное искусство, Volume 1. Сов. энциклопедия, 1962
Grand master 20:47, 8 June 2012 (UTC)
Another one:
Район Арменикенда (ныне им. Мамедъярова) был привязан к существующей сети улиц Канни-тепе, а продолжение кварталов в северо-восточном направлении увязано с улицами Завокзалья, которые обрывались у железнодорожного полотна. Район Нагорного плато фактически решался самостоятельно, и в его планировке не была найдена достаточная связь с кварталами регулярного типа. Принятые за основу размеры кварталов новой планировки не только были крупнее кварталов старых частей города, но и оказались соответствующими требованиям градостроительных норм 1920-х годов.
Шамиль Фатуллаев. Градостроительство Баку XIX - начала XX веков. Институт архитектуры и искусства Академии наук АзССР (ИАиИ), 1978 [4]
All these books are from Soviet times, and support what I wrote above. I don't think there was a mass hallucination and all those authors invented a name that did not exist. Note that they are specialist sources on architecture. Looking for English sources is pointless, I don't think there were any professional publications on the architecture of Baku outside of the USSR. Baku was not open to the world back then, and no one was interested in this topic. Now even the name Mamedyarov settlement dropped out of use, the area is being redeveloped again. The locations there are referred only by street names. Grand master 21:16, 8 June 2012 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: moved. Unopposed for over three weeks. Histmerges also performed, on both the article and the talk page. Jenks24 ( talk) 13:21, 1 July 2014 (UTC)
Ermanikand →
Armenikend –
WP:COMMONNAME. --Relisted.
Armbrust
The Homunculus 13:01, 23 June 2014 (UTC) Relisted.
Jenks24 (
talk) 14:49, 16 June 2014 (UTC)
Երևանցի
talk
01:38, 8 June 2014 (UTC)
"Ermanikand" is the corrupt
anglicized version of the Azeri name and is nowhere close to being a common name for the district.
A Google Books search reveals that "Armenikend" is far more common in English ( 103 results vs 9 for Ermanikand) -- Երևանցի talk 01:38, 8 June 2014 (UTC)
Propose merging this article with Armenians of Baku. The article is interwined with the former Armenian community of Baku and is not separate from it. Furthermore the false corrupted name change from Ermenikend into "Armenikend" is not the norm. Additionally the article is a WP:CONTENTFORK. Sanich talk 15:30, 16 July 2014 (UTC)
This is the
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22:02 7 January 2011 version is really written in "mediocre" English but this is not enough to remove it to show incorrect information and misinform people. There is no chauvinistic content in it. Reasons to remove version 18:29 7 January 2011 are folow: 1) --- and Azerbaijan was a part of Czarist Russia--- this information is incorrect. Czarist Russia has Caucasian Tatars in South Caucasus, but name Azerbaijan was called in 1918 independence (after collapse of Czarist Russia). 2) After the violent seven-day Pogrom of Armenians in Baku--- Armenian community of Azerbaijan fled the country --- this information is incorrect too. It can insult many Armenian people lived in Baku in past, because almost all Armenians remained in Baku in 13 January of 1990 died of massacre, they couldn't fled the country. ASALA7.08.1982 ( talk) 19:46, 12 January 2011 (UTC)
This article consists of facts only, and everything can be easyly proved.
That's right, Baku_Old_City binding to the image is removed. But any groundless revert of the right version will automatically add new Links and new facts to this "POV". ASALA7.08.1982 ( talk) 19:46, 12 January 2011 (UTC)
ATTENTION: words --- and Azerbaijan was a part of Czarist Russia --- is a deliberate misinformation it need to be removed.
ASALA7.08.1982 (
talk)
19:46, 12 January 2011 (UTC)
I disappointed with the policy of
reverting veracious editions on WIKIPEDIA and helping to some users who neglicting historical facts.
[
Following edition] is remaining as a single true version of this article which is spoiled with help of the people who threating with blocking those users who telles no lie.
Current version giving wrong picture on this issue. Its [
true edition] was forcibly [
falsified] and definitely so will be in future.
ASALA7.08.1982 (
talk)
19:46, 12 January 2011 (UTC)
[ version] is based on very dubious POV. Let's see them seriatim:
Dear
HJ Mitchell.
It is needless to promote to anti-armenian deletionists.
178.78.142.155 (
talk)
11:30, 23 January 2011 (UTC)
Wikipedia must be reliable source of information. Mr HJ Mitchell it's second time you used your resources to help spreading LIE of azeri users that continuously neglict 3 points mentioned above. This is a INTENTIONAL OUT TO TWIST PEOPLE about 1990th events in Baku. This users systematicly neglicting any requests to show thir arguments in this talk page. Your actions are result of your preconception to Armenians and probably nationalistic minds. I'm sorry, but you being conducive to DECREASE OF WIKIPEDIA'S LEVEL OF CONFIDENCE. People thinking they can reach any goals by stopping somebody's mouth are very naive. 46.241.144.195 ( talk) 07:09, 28 January 2011 (UTC).
Dear Mr.
Golbez probably words like "bestially killed" seemed you unfitting to wikipedia's articles. But this is exactly what happened in Baku at events of 1990. Calling it something else means to lie. Also your belief still not enough reason to revert this article to edits by user 81.213.222.51 wich based on poor POV (in other words - LIE).
46.241.157.79 (
talk)
15:46, 6 April 2011 (UTC)
Here we go, in Google Books search there are
So, after this you have questions about the name?? In English, the most common name is Armenikend (the Russian version) and not Ermenikend (Azeri version). -- Yerevanci ( talk) 16:49, 25 January 2012 (UTC)
Ermenikend → Armenikend – per WP:COMMONNAME.
-- Yerevanci ( talk) 23:10, 9 February 2012 (UTC)
Maybe WP:RfC can help? -- va c io 20:24, 12 February 2012 (UTC)
I believe this poorly written and uncensored article should be deleted, and whatever useful information there is to be merged into Armenians of Azerbaijan article. -- George Spurlin ( talk) 03:26, 11 February 2012 (UTC)
It should be merged with Armenians in Baku. Parishan ( talk) 09:02, 24 February 2012 (UTC)
The article provides inaccurate information. The Soviet development in the area was not called Armenikend, it was called Mamedyarov settlement. See: [2] The people who lived there were of different ethnic origin, mostly workers of various industries. So there's no basis for the claim that there was a place called Armenikend with predominant Armenian population after the Russian revolution. Soviets did their best to dissolve ethnic ghettos and mix population in the city. Grand master 11:47, 8 June 2012 (UTC)
I believe in sources. Like these:
Так, например, Арменикенд в Баку перестал быть специфически армянской частью города: новые дома в нем заселяются лицами разной национальности.
Юлиан Владимирович Бромлей, Институт этнографии имени Н.Н. Миклухо-Маклая. Современные этнические процессы в СССР. Наука, 1977
Очень интересными и прогрессивным для того времени были предложения групны А. Иваницкого по застройке жилых кварталов Баку, а в районе Арменикенд (ныне поселок Мамедъярова) — целой групны кварталов.
Рена Махмудовна Эфендизаде. Архитектура Советского Азербайджана. Стройиздат, 1986
Арменикенд (ныне посёлок им. Мамедьярова), являвшийся одним из первых районов массового жилого строительства в Советском Союзе.
Борис Владимирович Иогансон. Искусство стран и народов мира. Искусство стран и народов мира: краткая художественная энциклопедия: архитектура, живопись, скульптура, графика, декоративное искусство, Volume 1. Сов. энциклопедия, 1962
Grand master 20:47, 8 June 2012 (UTC)
Another one:
Район Арменикенда (ныне им. Мамедъярова) был привязан к существующей сети улиц Канни-тепе, а продолжение кварталов в северо-восточном направлении увязано с улицами Завокзалья, которые обрывались у железнодорожного полотна. Район Нагорного плато фактически решался самостоятельно, и в его планировке не была найдена достаточная связь с кварталами регулярного типа. Принятые за основу размеры кварталов новой планировки не только были крупнее кварталов старых частей города, но и оказались соответствующими требованиям градостроительных норм 1920-х годов.
Шамиль Фатуллаев. Градостроительство Баку XIX - начала XX веков. Институт архитектуры и искусства Академии наук АзССР (ИАиИ), 1978 [4]
All these books are from Soviet times, and support what I wrote above. I don't think there was a mass hallucination and all those authors invented a name that did not exist. Note that they are specialist sources on architecture. Looking for English sources is pointless, I don't think there were any professional publications on the architecture of Baku outside of the USSR. Baku was not open to the world back then, and no one was interested in this topic. Now even the name Mamedyarov settlement dropped out of use, the area is being redeveloped again. The locations there are referred only by street names. Grand master 21:16, 8 June 2012 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: moved. Unopposed for over three weeks. Histmerges also performed, on both the article and the talk page. Jenks24 ( talk) 13:21, 1 July 2014 (UTC)
Ermanikand →
Armenikend –
WP:COMMONNAME. --Relisted.
Armbrust
The Homunculus 13:01, 23 June 2014 (UTC) Relisted.
Jenks24 (
talk) 14:49, 16 June 2014 (UTC)
Երևանցի
talk
01:38, 8 June 2014 (UTC)
"Ermanikand" is the corrupt
anglicized version of the Azeri name and is nowhere close to being a common name for the district.
A Google Books search reveals that "Armenikend" is far more common in English ( 103 results vs 9 for Ermanikand) -- Երևանցի talk 01:38, 8 June 2014 (UTC)
Propose merging this article with Armenians of Baku. The article is interwined with the former Armenian community of Baku and is not separate from it. Furthermore the false corrupted name change from Ermenikend into "Armenikend" is not the norm. Additionally the article is a WP:CONTENTFORK. Sanich talk 15:30, 16 July 2014 (UTC)