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I have removed a link to a website that claims to be sponsored by BdV.First this seems to be a political advocacy site on behalf of BdV, second BdV and its actions have been criticized as unwilling to deal with Nazi past of its founders and members.Thus it doesn't seem a reliable source on Nazis like Weise.-- MyMoloboaccount ( talk) 21:27, 24 April 2013 (UTC)
Was this [1] the site or a different one? That one got put in by Estlandia : [2]. It's from the Kulturstiftung der deutschen Vertriebenen, whose CEO is Hans-Günther Parplies who is or was - I think also president [3] of BdV. So also unreliable. Volunteer Marek 17:16, 1 May 2013 (UTC)
Yes, this website seems to be also co-sponsored by another organization which IIRC was praised by the Nazi judge Hans Kruger responsible for draconian occupation of Chojnice. -- MyMoloboaccount ( talk) 19:54, 1 May 2013 (UTC)
This [4] is just spurious IDONTLIKEIT drive by tagging. His Nazi career is one of the things that Weise is known for. Note also that Estlandia did not even bother justifying the tag on talk. Volunteer Marek 17:19, 1 May 2013 (UTC)
???? Volunteer Marek 17:21, 1 May 2013 (UTC)
"In 2008 Polish authorities proved that in December 1940 Weise was personally involved .., which constituted a war crime."
The given source actually just states that an investigation was cancelled because Weise et al. were dead anyway. The result of that investigation and the alleged involvement of Weise is unclear. Weise was not sentenced as a war criminal and the result of that investigation is speculative, nothing was "proved" (at least the source doesn't say so). HerkusMonte ( talk) 06:21, 4 May 2013 (UTC)
I took this phrase out because I couldn't make sense of it. The link to the nearest reference seems to be broken somehow, too, so I couldn't check to see what it was talking about.— alf laylah wa laylah ( talk) 20:03, 4 May 2013 (UTC)
Questions:
1. What is " KB 81 (1933)"? Volunteer Marek 22:27, 4 May 2013 (UTC)
2. Or "AltprF 10, 1933, S. 148" Volunteer Marek 22:32, 4 May 2013 (UTC)
Korrespondezblatt des Gesamtvereins der d. G. u. A-vereine Jg. 1933., No. 3.-- MyMoloboaccount ( talk) 12:15, 5 May 2013 (UTC)
Re: [7]. The source states the commitment of the war crime as a matter of fact, and gives details. The source states that the reason the investigation was stopped was due to the fact that Weise and Forstreuter were dead and at that point (in 2008) it was impossible to determine other guilty parties. Volunteer Marek 05:07, 7 May 2013 (UTC)
Everything appears to be going on a little bit too hasty here. An attempt is made to stigmatize Weise as a "war criminal". I find this article unbalanced if I compare it, e.g., with the article on Wernher von Braun, who had been a member of the Nazi party too, without that this fact is almost enthusiastically stressed and celebrated right at the beginning of the article on him. Anyway, what kind of historical documents did Weise "plunder"? I don't know it, but I guess that he confiscated historical documents stemming from the area of the Polish Corridor installed in 1920 after World War I in a region which until then had been German territory. If this is so, things should be seen in an different light. At the time of the establishment of the Polish Corridor the Atlantic Charter had not yet existed, but if it had existed already, then the establisment of the Polish Corridor itself could be called a crime. So, Weise might have been convinced that he did do nothing wrong. Most probably, everybody else in his position would have done the same.
I noticed that the British historian Michael Burleigh, who seeks publicity by writing on Weise, speaks as a scientist, which he apparently would like to be, of "traditional German chauvinism". As the Burleigh case once again shows, prebiased judgements of this kind usually concern the person itself, who generates them. -- Kaiser von Europa ( talk) 08:23, 8 May 2013 (UTC)
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I have removed a link to a website that claims to be sponsored by BdV.First this seems to be a political advocacy site on behalf of BdV, second BdV and its actions have been criticized as unwilling to deal with Nazi past of its founders and members.Thus it doesn't seem a reliable source on Nazis like Weise.-- MyMoloboaccount ( talk) 21:27, 24 April 2013 (UTC)
Was this [1] the site or a different one? That one got put in by Estlandia : [2]. It's from the Kulturstiftung der deutschen Vertriebenen, whose CEO is Hans-Günther Parplies who is or was - I think also president [3] of BdV. So also unreliable. Volunteer Marek 17:16, 1 May 2013 (UTC)
Yes, this website seems to be also co-sponsored by another organization which IIRC was praised by the Nazi judge Hans Kruger responsible for draconian occupation of Chojnice. -- MyMoloboaccount ( talk) 19:54, 1 May 2013 (UTC)
This [4] is just spurious IDONTLIKEIT drive by tagging. His Nazi career is one of the things that Weise is known for. Note also that Estlandia did not even bother justifying the tag on talk. Volunteer Marek 17:19, 1 May 2013 (UTC)
???? Volunteer Marek 17:21, 1 May 2013 (UTC)
"In 2008 Polish authorities proved that in December 1940 Weise was personally involved .., which constituted a war crime."
The given source actually just states that an investigation was cancelled because Weise et al. were dead anyway. The result of that investigation and the alleged involvement of Weise is unclear. Weise was not sentenced as a war criminal and the result of that investigation is speculative, nothing was "proved" (at least the source doesn't say so). HerkusMonte ( talk) 06:21, 4 May 2013 (UTC)
I took this phrase out because I couldn't make sense of it. The link to the nearest reference seems to be broken somehow, too, so I couldn't check to see what it was talking about.— alf laylah wa laylah ( talk) 20:03, 4 May 2013 (UTC)
Questions:
1. What is " KB 81 (1933)"? Volunteer Marek 22:27, 4 May 2013 (UTC)
2. Or "AltprF 10, 1933, S. 148" Volunteer Marek 22:32, 4 May 2013 (UTC)
Korrespondezblatt des Gesamtvereins der d. G. u. A-vereine Jg. 1933., No. 3.-- MyMoloboaccount ( talk) 12:15, 5 May 2013 (UTC)
Re: [7]. The source states the commitment of the war crime as a matter of fact, and gives details. The source states that the reason the investigation was stopped was due to the fact that Weise and Forstreuter were dead and at that point (in 2008) it was impossible to determine other guilty parties. Volunteer Marek 05:07, 7 May 2013 (UTC)
Everything appears to be going on a little bit too hasty here. An attempt is made to stigmatize Weise as a "war criminal". I find this article unbalanced if I compare it, e.g., with the article on Wernher von Braun, who had been a member of the Nazi party too, without that this fact is almost enthusiastically stressed and celebrated right at the beginning of the article on him. Anyway, what kind of historical documents did Weise "plunder"? I don't know it, but I guess that he confiscated historical documents stemming from the area of the Polish Corridor installed in 1920 after World War I in a region which until then had been German territory. If this is so, things should be seen in an different light. At the time of the establishment of the Polish Corridor the Atlantic Charter had not yet existed, but if it had existed already, then the establisment of the Polish Corridor itself could be called a crime. So, Weise might have been convinced that he did do nothing wrong. Most probably, everybody else in his position would have done the same.
I noticed that the British historian Michael Burleigh, who seeks publicity by writing on Weise, speaks as a scientist, which he apparently would like to be, of "traditional German chauvinism". As the Burleigh case once again shows, prebiased judgements of this kind usually concern the person itself, who generates them. -- Kaiser von Europa ( talk) 08:23, 8 May 2013 (UTC)