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Surely, now there is a need for a section on controversies. I don't think that anyone could argue that a mention of the Ozcar affair is not-notable in an an article about one of the central figures. I will give it some thought, but in the meantime, encourage someone to get started. Methulah ( talk) 10:09, 14 August 2009 (UTC)
I added a short, unbiased reference to Otto Abetz in the article. It certainly is notable as part of his history and biography. If I were to have even a brief biography of me written, it would be remiss of the biographer to include the easily confirmed information regarding my famous relatives. We have the information, why not add it? It's hardly considered biased to list notable relatives in a biography. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Methulah ( talk • contribs) 09:55, 27 June 2008 (UTC)
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Why have you mentioned this (Otto Abetz) and Not Peter Abetz???? Wouldn't Peter Abetz be MORE relevant (due to dates - 60 years vs now - and Location - Europe Vs. In Australia)? unbiased - are you sure?
I think you should re-write this to show better independence....
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The statement "However he refused to discuss his feelings about his family's dark history." is defamatory to say the least so I removed it. To imply he must somehow apologise is a sly attempt to slur him as having sympathies with his uncle [redact]. —Preceding
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As in many other articles of many other topics, can we please stop suddenly adding things to an article the moment they make a splash in the newspapers, and instead add them in on the basis that they add merit to the article. In this case, a great big "Controversy" section is absolute utter bull[expletive deleted]. When the article is large enough to justify a family history (as is the case with articles of FA-length) then it should be included. Do I have any support with regards for this? Michael talk 04:59, 3 March 2008 (UTC)
He notes that his political ideology was moulded by his university experience, where he was told that his exam results would not be credited unless he joined the Australian Union of Students, saying "I found the notion of "no ticket, no start" to be repulsive and obnoxious and still do".
This makes no sense. Students did not become individual members of AUS. If their university's student union was an AUS affiliate, they were automatically members of AUS. So Abetz cannot have been told that his exam results would not be credited unless he joined AUS. He might have been told that his exam results would not be credited unless he joined his local student union, but at most campuses this was automatic on enrolment. Someone needs to clarify this, or else the section must be deleted. Intelligent Mr Toad ( talk) 22:25, 16 November 2009 (UTC)
See this diff. It was reverted by another user. But i'm wondering, it's one thing for the Australian Parliamentary Library IP address to modify another article, it's another thing entirely to attempt to remove what's in the link... at some point is the line drawn by wikipedia, and if so, how? Timeshift ( talk) 01:05, 15 September 2010 (UTC)
I noticed in the edit history there has been some disagreement as to whether or not Abetz's place of birth should be listed as Germany, or West Germany. Typically the place of birth is listed in info boxes as what it was named at the time of birth rather then what it is presently called. Before changing it I would like to have everyone's agreement that this article like others should follow convention and be listed as West Germany. The Tepes ( talk) 02:05, 9 August 2014 (UTC)
I would like to add this article to this wikipedia page of Eric Abtez's comments on the link between abortion and breast cancer. http://thenewdaily.com.au/news/2014/08/07/minister-derided-linking-abortion-breast-cancer/
-- Smokeyfire ( talk) 08:41, 8 September 2014 (UTC)Smokeyfire
I would like to know why my recently reverted edit is not relevant to the page?
-- Smokeyfire ( talk) 07:17, 3 October 2014 (UTC)Smokeyfire
Eric Abetz said on the Project in August of this year that some organisations have differing views regarding Mia Freedman claiming the link to be false. Here is a another source that talks about a link between abortion and breast cancer based on research in India. [ [1]] -- Smokeyfire ( talk) 07:55, 5 October 2014 (UTC)Smokeyfire
The media were biast towards Abetz what about this artile [ [2]] -- Smokeyfire ( talk) 08:56, 22 October 2014 (UTC)Smokeyfire
I thought I was pretty good at keeping up with these sorts of issues, but this one continues to escape me. Can someone explain to me why it's OK for him to remain a senator when he spent the first 16 years of his tenure, 1994–2010, as a dual citizen? Compare the case of Senator-elect Heather Hill in Sue v Hill. Sure, she renounced her UK citizenship before her term would have started (1 July 1999), but not before her election in 1998, so her election was declared null and void and she never made it into the Senate. Why hasn't that same rule been applied to Abetz? Is it that only the current term can be considered, and since he did renounce his German citizenship in March 2010, prior to the last time he was elected, August 2010, the current term is OK? I can accept that, but what about the invalidity of his tenure from 1994 to 2010, and all the official decisions he made as a minister during that period, when he wasn't even entitled to be a senator, let alone a minister? -- Jack of Oz [pleasantries] 22:31, 4 July 2015 (UTC)
The thing is that though the powers that be put in this 40 day rule, there's none of that in the constitution. It's not an interpretation. You and I can't go and do something illegal, lie low for 40 days and then we're in the clear, can we? Yet those who make our laws are able to do so? The constitution is fairly clear. Anyone with allegiance to a foreign power (= citizen), shall be incapable of sitting as a senator (or member of the house). Period. No ifs or buts. Boscaswell ( talk) 08:47, 5 July 2015 (UTC)
In the Tasmanian Times article referenced by JackofOz, John Hawkins claims that Abetz renounced his German citizenship in 2010. Hawkins goes on to say,"As one cannot renounce a citizenship one does not have, Abetz had been sitting in the Senate illegally from 1996 to 2010." While this Wikipedia article indicates that the 2010 citizenship controversy was resolved (in favour of Abetz), there is no mention of the still unresolved question of whether Abetz was legally entitled to be a senator between 1994 and 2010. Unless there is documentary evidence that Abetz was not a dual-citizen during that time, the possibility that Abetz was ineligible during sixteen years as a senator should be part of this article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by RussHawk ( talk • contribs) 07:56, 20 July 2017 (UTC)
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Recent edits have been made to state he is a Christian (which is relevant) but also, related to a current minor news story, that he thinks Christians should pay taxes. My sense is that there is only a tiny group (three in Tasmania, that we know of!) of obscure Christian sect members who think Christians should not pay taxes. This doesn't seem useful coverage for Abetz biography. Can I get some views of others, apart from editor who added the detail? cheers, hamiltonstone ( talk) 12:15, 19 July 2019 (UTC)
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Surely, now there is a need for a section on controversies. I don't think that anyone could argue that a mention of the Ozcar affair is not-notable in an an article about one of the central figures. I will give it some thought, but in the meantime, encourage someone to get started. Methulah ( talk) 10:09, 14 August 2009 (UTC)
I added a short, unbiased reference to Otto Abetz in the article. It certainly is notable as part of his history and biography. If I were to have even a brief biography of me written, it would be remiss of the biographer to include the easily confirmed information regarding my famous relatives. We have the information, why not add it? It's hardly considered biased to list notable relatives in a biography. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Methulah ( talk • contribs) 09:55, 27 June 2008 (UTC)
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Why have you mentioned this (Otto Abetz) and Not Peter Abetz???? Wouldn't Peter Abetz be MORE relevant (due to dates - 60 years vs now - and Location - Europe Vs. In Australia)? unbiased - are you sure?
I think you should re-write this to show better independence....
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The statement "However he refused to discuss his feelings about his family's dark history." is defamatory to say the least so I removed it. To imply he must somehow apologise is a sly attempt to slur him as having sympathies with his uncle [redact]. —Preceding
unsigned comment added by
202.161.1.133 (
talk)
04:08, 2 March 2008 (UTC)
As in many other articles of many other topics, can we please stop suddenly adding things to an article the moment they make a splash in the newspapers, and instead add them in on the basis that they add merit to the article. In this case, a great big "Controversy" section is absolute utter bull[expletive deleted]. When the article is large enough to justify a family history (as is the case with articles of FA-length) then it should be included. Do I have any support with regards for this? Michael talk 04:59, 3 March 2008 (UTC)
He notes that his political ideology was moulded by his university experience, where he was told that his exam results would not be credited unless he joined the Australian Union of Students, saying "I found the notion of "no ticket, no start" to be repulsive and obnoxious and still do".
This makes no sense. Students did not become individual members of AUS. If their university's student union was an AUS affiliate, they were automatically members of AUS. So Abetz cannot have been told that his exam results would not be credited unless he joined AUS. He might have been told that his exam results would not be credited unless he joined his local student union, but at most campuses this was automatic on enrolment. Someone needs to clarify this, or else the section must be deleted. Intelligent Mr Toad ( talk) 22:25, 16 November 2009 (UTC)
See this diff. It was reverted by another user. But i'm wondering, it's one thing for the Australian Parliamentary Library IP address to modify another article, it's another thing entirely to attempt to remove what's in the link... at some point is the line drawn by wikipedia, and if so, how? Timeshift ( talk) 01:05, 15 September 2010 (UTC)
I noticed in the edit history there has been some disagreement as to whether or not Abetz's place of birth should be listed as Germany, or West Germany. Typically the place of birth is listed in info boxes as what it was named at the time of birth rather then what it is presently called. Before changing it I would like to have everyone's agreement that this article like others should follow convention and be listed as West Germany. The Tepes ( talk) 02:05, 9 August 2014 (UTC)
I would like to add this article to this wikipedia page of Eric Abtez's comments on the link between abortion and breast cancer. http://thenewdaily.com.au/news/2014/08/07/minister-derided-linking-abortion-breast-cancer/
-- Smokeyfire ( talk) 08:41, 8 September 2014 (UTC)Smokeyfire
I would like to know why my recently reverted edit is not relevant to the page?
-- Smokeyfire ( talk) 07:17, 3 October 2014 (UTC)Smokeyfire
Eric Abetz said on the Project in August of this year that some organisations have differing views regarding Mia Freedman claiming the link to be false. Here is a another source that talks about a link between abortion and breast cancer based on research in India. [ [1]] -- Smokeyfire ( talk) 07:55, 5 October 2014 (UTC)Smokeyfire
The media were biast towards Abetz what about this artile [ [2]] -- Smokeyfire ( talk) 08:56, 22 October 2014 (UTC)Smokeyfire
I thought I was pretty good at keeping up with these sorts of issues, but this one continues to escape me. Can someone explain to me why it's OK for him to remain a senator when he spent the first 16 years of his tenure, 1994–2010, as a dual citizen? Compare the case of Senator-elect Heather Hill in Sue v Hill. Sure, she renounced her UK citizenship before her term would have started (1 July 1999), but not before her election in 1998, so her election was declared null and void and she never made it into the Senate. Why hasn't that same rule been applied to Abetz? Is it that only the current term can be considered, and since he did renounce his German citizenship in March 2010, prior to the last time he was elected, August 2010, the current term is OK? I can accept that, but what about the invalidity of his tenure from 1994 to 2010, and all the official decisions he made as a minister during that period, when he wasn't even entitled to be a senator, let alone a minister? -- Jack of Oz [pleasantries] 22:31, 4 July 2015 (UTC)
The thing is that though the powers that be put in this 40 day rule, there's none of that in the constitution. It's not an interpretation. You and I can't go and do something illegal, lie low for 40 days and then we're in the clear, can we? Yet those who make our laws are able to do so? The constitution is fairly clear. Anyone with allegiance to a foreign power (= citizen), shall be incapable of sitting as a senator (or member of the house). Period. No ifs or buts. Boscaswell ( talk) 08:47, 5 July 2015 (UTC)
In the Tasmanian Times article referenced by JackofOz, John Hawkins claims that Abetz renounced his German citizenship in 2010. Hawkins goes on to say,"As one cannot renounce a citizenship one does not have, Abetz had been sitting in the Senate illegally from 1996 to 2010." While this Wikipedia article indicates that the 2010 citizenship controversy was resolved (in favour of Abetz), there is no mention of the still unresolved question of whether Abetz was legally entitled to be a senator between 1994 and 2010. Unless there is documentary evidence that Abetz was not a dual-citizen during that time, the possibility that Abetz was ineligible during sixteen years as a senator should be part of this article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by RussHawk ( talk • contribs) 07:56, 20 July 2017 (UTC)
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Recent edits have been made to state he is a Christian (which is relevant) but also, related to a current minor news story, that he thinks Christians should pay taxes. My sense is that there is only a tiny group (three in Tasmania, that we know of!) of obscure Christian sect members who think Christians should not pay taxes. This doesn't seem useful coverage for Abetz biography. Can I get some views of others, apart from editor who added the detail? cheers, hamiltonstone ( talk) 12:15, 19 July 2019 (UTC)