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I am in the process of getting references for this article. Please bear with me.
This article should not be speedily deleted for lack of asserted importance because <replace these words with your reason>. — Iliketoeatbeansalot ( talk) 20:13, 13 October 2011 (UTC) I am currently getting references for the article and it is notable because it is about an important man in seventeenth centrury Ireland.
The High School, Dublin is notable enough to have an article on Wikipedia, yet it seems that the school's founder, Erasmus Smith, does not. This seems odd. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Iliketoeatbeansalot ( talk • contribs) 20:26, 13 October 2011 (UTC)
While I greatly appreciate this entry on Erasmus Smith, as the archivist for the Erasmus Smith Trust, I hope that the citations are corrected soon as there are several errors and general statements that are not entirely correct. The main one for the moment is the sentence that "Erasmus Smith had become a merchant, trading with Turkey" - this is the biggest error, as it is dervied from the common job title that he was a turkey merchant, which others have attributed to meaning slave trading, where in fact he was merely a merchant trading in grains and other supplies with Great Britain and Ireland - not Turkey. If you can find a citation to prove this I would happly stand corrected. Thank you. AlanEST21:12, 14 November 2011 (UTC)
I must disagree, many of the original sources on the history of Smith and moreover the Trust are factually incorrect (and often clearly biased). Wallace, as the most recent person to consult primary sources is the most accurate source for information. He dispelled several myths about the Trust which I am glad you have not blindly repeated here as many have over the years. My contestation the trading with the county of Turkey stands - there is no evidence of this, especially if you look at the goods that are being traded - they would surely be more exotic in nature other than grains and cheese. As I am sure you are aware, capitalisation was used in different grammatical ways several generations ago, putting emphasis on the trade title not as a country. I would therefore again ask you to provide a proper citation for trade with Turkey as I am not aware that any evidence of this exists. Thank you for the ongoing updates. AlanEST 21:49, 14 November 2011 (UTC)
I don't think it's that much of a mess, just illogical. "Turkey merchant" is generally how I have seen it also, assuming poultry not country but knowing it means something else again possibly. So putting it within inverted commas is a great solution. Anyway wiki rules aside I will check also tomorrow and put in a call to Mr Wallace also and get back to you. AlanEST 22:32, 14 November 2011 (UTC)
Enjoying the updates and thanks for the note AlanEST 10:41, 16 November 2011 (UTC)
I have also noticed that on the Wikipedia page List of professorships at the University of Dublin, some are named adter Erasmus Smith. This shows just how notable Erasmus Smith must have been at that time.
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Regarding the note about the ambiguous meaning of the phrase " Turkey merchant", please note that Wikipedia has a redirect with that title, so it seems likely that the intended meaning has to do with trade with the country, not the bird. Plantdrew ( talk) 21:48, 21 October 2015 (UTC)
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Hi all. Task today is to shorten these while keeping original meaning. Will check if there was specific sweeteners given by parliament for supporters, or if this is merely referring to E.S's commercial success. Will also clarify and shorten his religious motivations in three, if at all possible. Simon. Irondome ( talk) 12:02, 15 September 2016 (UTC)
This phrase about Smith is confusing: "..his early investment in a Royalist Military campaign which depended on entrepreneurial funding." I guess this is trying to summarize the loans that Smith made to the government per the Adventurers' Act of 1641. The phrase 'Royalist Military campaign' might confuse the reader into thinking that Smith was on the side of the King against Cromwell and the parliamentary forces. Which would not be correct. It may be better to reword to get 'Royalist' out of the sentence. The military conflict between the King and the English parliament had not yet broken out in 1641, so it is not clear what 'Royalist' would be referring to here. Maybe just strike the word 'Royalist', so we would be left with: "..his early investment in a military campaign which depended on entrepreneurial funding." EdJohnston ( talk) 16:24, 16 September 2016 (UTC)
Hi, the article concerns the man, not the Trust that has long outlived him. I am unsure why it is you are not following the citation style but cherry-picking a couple of schools, as you did in the last few hours, isn't particularly helpful and especially so given that they, like most others, do not actually have an article.
I'm not opposed to improvements, as I would hope no-one else would be, but your two edits to Erasmus Smith don't really add anything of great relevance or suitable weight. But shades of grey sometimes elude me, so am I missing some nuance? - Sitush ( talk) 00:37, 15 December 2016 (UTC)
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I am in the process of getting references for this article. Please bear with me.
This article should not be speedily deleted for lack of asserted importance because <replace these words with your reason>. — Iliketoeatbeansalot ( talk) 20:13, 13 October 2011 (UTC) I am currently getting references for the article and it is notable because it is about an important man in seventeenth centrury Ireland.
The High School, Dublin is notable enough to have an article on Wikipedia, yet it seems that the school's founder, Erasmus Smith, does not. This seems odd. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Iliketoeatbeansalot ( talk • contribs) 20:26, 13 October 2011 (UTC)
While I greatly appreciate this entry on Erasmus Smith, as the archivist for the Erasmus Smith Trust, I hope that the citations are corrected soon as there are several errors and general statements that are not entirely correct. The main one for the moment is the sentence that "Erasmus Smith had become a merchant, trading with Turkey" - this is the biggest error, as it is dervied from the common job title that he was a turkey merchant, which others have attributed to meaning slave trading, where in fact he was merely a merchant trading in grains and other supplies with Great Britain and Ireland - not Turkey. If you can find a citation to prove this I would happly stand corrected. Thank you. AlanEST21:12, 14 November 2011 (UTC)
I must disagree, many of the original sources on the history of Smith and moreover the Trust are factually incorrect (and often clearly biased). Wallace, as the most recent person to consult primary sources is the most accurate source for information. He dispelled several myths about the Trust which I am glad you have not blindly repeated here as many have over the years. My contestation the trading with the county of Turkey stands - there is no evidence of this, especially if you look at the goods that are being traded - they would surely be more exotic in nature other than grains and cheese. As I am sure you are aware, capitalisation was used in different grammatical ways several generations ago, putting emphasis on the trade title not as a country. I would therefore again ask you to provide a proper citation for trade with Turkey as I am not aware that any evidence of this exists. Thank you for the ongoing updates. AlanEST 21:49, 14 November 2011 (UTC)
I don't think it's that much of a mess, just illogical. "Turkey merchant" is generally how I have seen it also, assuming poultry not country but knowing it means something else again possibly. So putting it within inverted commas is a great solution. Anyway wiki rules aside I will check also tomorrow and put in a call to Mr Wallace also and get back to you. AlanEST 22:32, 14 November 2011 (UTC)
Enjoying the updates and thanks for the note AlanEST 10:41, 16 November 2011 (UTC)
I have also noticed that on the Wikipedia page List of professorships at the University of Dublin, some are named adter Erasmus Smith. This shows just how notable Erasmus Smith must have been at that time.
Retrieved from " http://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Talk:Erasmus_Smith&oldid=455432762"
Regarding the note about the ambiguous meaning of the phrase " Turkey merchant", please note that Wikipedia has a redirect with that title, so it seems likely that the intended meaning has to do with trade with the country, not the bird. Plantdrew ( talk) 21:48, 21 October 2015 (UTC)
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Cheers.— cyberbot II Talk to my owner:Online 04:07, 26 February 2016 (UTC)
Hi all. Task today is to shorten these while keeping original meaning. Will check if there was specific sweeteners given by parliament for supporters, or if this is merely referring to E.S's commercial success. Will also clarify and shorten his religious motivations in three, if at all possible. Simon. Irondome ( talk) 12:02, 15 September 2016 (UTC)
This phrase about Smith is confusing: "..his early investment in a Royalist Military campaign which depended on entrepreneurial funding." I guess this is trying to summarize the loans that Smith made to the government per the Adventurers' Act of 1641. The phrase 'Royalist Military campaign' might confuse the reader into thinking that Smith was on the side of the King against Cromwell and the parliamentary forces. Which would not be correct. It may be better to reword to get 'Royalist' out of the sentence. The military conflict between the King and the English parliament had not yet broken out in 1641, so it is not clear what 'Royalist' would be referring to here. Maybe just strike the word 'Royalist', so we would be left with: "..his early investment in a military campaign which depended on entrepreneurial funding." EdJohnston ( talk) 16:24, 16 September 2016 (UTC)
Hi, the article concerns the man, not the Trust that has long outlived him. I am unsure why it is you are not following the citation style but cherry-picking a couple of schools, as you did in the last few hours, isn't particularly helpful and especially so given that they, like most others, do not actually have an article.
I'm not opposed to improvements, as I would hope no-one else would be, but your two edits to Erasmus Smith don't really add anything of great relevance or suitable weight. But shades of grey sometimes elude me, so am I missing some nuance? - Sitush ( talk) 00:37, 15 December 2016 (UTC)
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