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This article covers the Equestrian statue of Edward Horner thoroughly, and it does provide biographical information for Edward Horner aka Edward William Horner, but readers will only find the biographical information from the two redirects. Should there be a straightforward biography? -- Dthomsen8 ( talk) 01:39, 10 November 2017 (UTC)
The " Your Country Needs You" and variants posters, were directed at encouraging enlistment of civilians, not at those already in the TF to accept Imperial Service (i.e. overseas). Even if he did volunteer for foreign service shortly after the publication of the "Lord Kitchener Wants You" recruiting poster, then correlation does not imply causation. Nedrutland ( talk) 12:12, 21 November 2017 (UTC)
The story of this statue featured in an exhibition in Mells: Centenary exhibition at Rook Lane Chapel, Frome (September-October 2016). Resources include the exhibition panels and an exhibition booklet. May be worth mentioning in some way. Carcharoth ( talk) 00:50, 19 January 2018 (UTC)
Following on from the FAC, a couple more sources: See here for another description of the memorial. It may also be worth trying to get hold of this book (Memoirs of a veterinary surgeon by Reginald Cuthbert Greatrex Hancock in 1952). That led me to this and then (much more useful) this, which leads to 'a full account of the work can be found in the second part of Munnings's autobiography, The Second Burst (1951)'. From what is visible online, that sounds like it is essential. Carcharoth ( talk) 00:54, 19 January 2018 (UTC)
This blog may be useful, or give pointers. It certainly gives more context. There is certainly enough out there to expand The Coterie. FWIW, I found the obituary for Edward Horner in The Times (Thursday, Nov 29, 1917; pg. 5; Issue 41648). Written by "F.S." (not sure who that was). There is also a bit out there about the role Hilaire Belloc played in getting the tablets erected in France (one for his son, one for Edward and one for Raymond). See Life of Hilaire Belloc:
In 1924 Belloc had a tablet erected in Cambrai Cathedral to the memory of his son. It was placed at the entrance to the Lady Chapel, and he had arranged for a similar plaque to the memory of Edward Horner to be fixed opposite. On a pillar in Amiens Cathedral, just behind the tablet to the British and Canadian dead, a third plaque was put up to Raymond Asquith, and here again Belloc had used his influence with the civil and ecclesiastical authorities. It cost him many months of wearisome negotiation and delay. For Belloc these memorials had a representative value; for behind the names which they commemorated may be read the names of all those others whom the war had taken from him.
There is more on this in the Letters of Hilaire Belloc (a number of letters from him on the subject of the French tablets). And an article in Stand To!: The Journal of the Western Front Association (somewhere in issues 75-80, page 44) also goes into more detail on the French tablets, the Asquiths, the Horners, Belloc and Lutyens. FWIW. (I've found it is very hard to pin down details of obscure tablets in French cathedrals!) That article does bring out one point that I need to add to the Raymond Asquith article, namely that Belloc's wording on the plaque distressed the (Protestant) Asquith family, as he used the Catholic injunction to pray for Raymond's soul! (Katharine, brother of Edward, widowed on Raymond's death, had converted to Roman Catholicism.)
A bit tangential, but gives a flavour of how interconnected people were in these circles. Carcharoth ( talk) 00:51, 20 January 2018 (UTC)
Found some photos of the family, plus one that is not strictly relevant, but am putting it here as it is part of the whole story of the Horner family erecting memorials: photo of one of the memorials erected to Mark Horner.
There are also other family members in the NPG collections.
Carcharoth ( talk) 00:22, 20 January 2018 (UTC)
Apparently (stumbled across this while looking for something else), Horner was among those who attended staff training courses at Clare College and made donations towards a lamp (or his family did). See here and here. Not entirely sure how that fits with the dates, and no-one seems to have written about this anywhere, so just leaving it here for now. Carcharoth ( talk) 17:55, 2 March 2020 (UTC)
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This article covers the Equestrian statue of Edward Horner thoroughly, and it does provide biographical information for Edward Horner aka Edward William Horner, but readers will only find the biographical information from the two redirects. Should there be a straightforward biography? -- Dthomsen8 ( talk) 01:39, 10 November 2017 (UTC)
The " Your Country Needs You" and variants posters, were directed at encouraging enlistment of civilians, not at those already in the TF to accept Imperial Service (i.e. overseas). Even if he did volunteer for foreign service shortly after the publication of the "Lord Kitchener Wants You" recruiting poster, then correlation does not imply causation. Nedrutland ( talk) 12:12, 21 November 2017 (UTC)
The story of this statue featured in an exhibition in Mells: Centenary exhibition at Rook Lane Chapel, Frome (September-October 2016). Resources include the exhibition panels and an exhibition booklet. May be worth mentioning in some way. Carcharoth ( talk) 00:50, 19 January 2018 (UTC)
Following on from the FAC, a couple more sources: See here for another description of the memorial. It may also be worth trying to get hold of this book (Memoirs of a veterinary surgeon by Reginald Cuthbert Greatrex Hancock in 1952). That led me to this and then (much more useful) this, which leads to 'a full account of the work can be found in the second part of Munnings's autobiography, The Second Burst (1951)'. From what is visible online, that sounds like it is essential. Carcharoth ( talk) 00:54, 19 January 2018 (UTC)
This blog may be useful, or give pointers. It certainly gives more context. There is certainly enough out there to expand The Coterie. FWIW, I found the obituary for Edward Horner in The Times (Thursday, Nov 29, 1917; pg. 5; Issue 41648). Written by "F.S." (not sure who that was). There is also a bit out there about the role Hilaire Belloc played in getting the tablets erected in France (one for his son, one for Edward and one for Raymond). See Life of Hilaire Belloc:
In 1924 Belloc had a tablet erected in Cambrai Cathedral to the memory of his son. It was placed at the entrance to the Lady Chapel, and he had arranged for a similar plaque to the memory of Edward Horner to be fixed opposite. On a pillar in Amiens Cathedral, just behind the tablet to the British and Canadian dead, a third plaque was put up to Raymond Asquith, and here again Belloc had used his influence with the civil and ecclesiastical authorities. It cost him many months of wearisome negotiation and delay. For Belloc these memorials had a representative value; for behind the names which they commemorated may be read the names of all those others whom the war had taken from him.
There is more on this in the Letters of Hilaire Belloc (a number of letters from him on the subject of the French tablets). And an article in Stand To!: The Journal of the Western Front Association (somewhere in issues 75-80, page 44) also goes into more detail on the French tablets, the Asquiths, the Horners, Belloc and Lutyens. FWIW. (I've found it is very hard to pin down details of obscure tablets in French cathedrals!) That article does bring out one point that I need to add to the Raymond Asquith article, namely that Belloc's wording on the plaque distressed the (Protestant) Asquith family, as he used the Catholic injunction to pray for Raymond's soul! (Katharine, brother of Edward, widowed on Raymond's death, had converted to Roman Catholicism.)
A bit tangential, but gives a flavour of how interconnected people were in these circles. Carcharoth ( talk) 00:51, 20 January 2018 (UTC)
Found some photos of the family, plus one that is not strictly relevant, but am putting it here as it is part of the whole story of the Horner family erecting memorials: photo of one of the memorials erected to Mark Horner.
There are also other family members in the NPG collections.
Carcharoth ( talk) 00:22, 20 January 2018 (UTC)
Apparently (stumbled across this while looking for something else), Horner was among those who attended staff training courses at Clare College and made donations towards a lamp (or his family did). See here and here. Not entirely sure how that fits with the dates, and no-one seems to have written about this anywhere, so just leaving it here for now. Carcharoth ( talk) 17:55, 2 March 2020 (UTC)