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The nations chart on this page appears not to be complete. It also needs some explanatory text as it is not clear was the numbers represent.
The RankedMedalTable with the 'class=wikitable sortable' parameter should not have rowspan, becouse it will screw up the table when one tries to sort it.
One solution could be the repeatition of ranks for ties:
Rank | Nation | Gold | Silver | Bronze | Total |
---|---|---|---|---|---|
1 | Germany (GER) | 21 | 10 | 11 | 42 |
2 | Sweden (SWE) | 17 | 10 | 14 | 41 |
3 | France (FRA) | 12 | 12 | 10 | 34 |
4 | United States (USA) | 11 | 20 | 18 | 49 |
5 | West Germany (FRG) | 11 | 5 | 9 | 25 |
6 | Netherlands (NED) | 10 | 10 | 2 | 22 |
7 | Italy (ITA) | 7 | 9 | 7 | 23 |
8 | Great Britain (GBR) | 6 | 9 | 12 | 27 |
9 | Soviet Union (URS) | 6 | 5 | 4 | 15 |
10 | Australia (AUS) | 6 | 3 | 2 | 11 |
11 | United Team of Germany (EUA) | 5 | 5 | 4 | 14 |
12 | Switzerland (SUI) | 4 | 10 | 7 | 21 |
13 | Belgium (BEL) | 4 | 2 | 6 | 12 |
14 | New Zealand (NZL) | 3 | 2 | 4 | 9 |
15 | Canada (CAN) | 2 | 2 | 2 | 6 |
16 | Mexico (MEX) | 2 | 1 | 4 | 7 |
17 | Poland (POL) | 1 | 3 | 2 | 6 |
18 | Spain (ESP) | 1 | 2 | 1 | 4 |
19 | Austria (AUT) | 1 | 1 | 1 | 3 |
20 | Brazil (BRA) | 1 | 0 | 2 | 3 |
21 | Czechoslovakia (TCH) | 1 | 0 | 0 | 1 |
21 | Japan (JPN) | 1 | 0 | 0 | 1 |
23 | Denmark (DEN) | 0 | 4 | 2 | 6 |
24 | Chile (CHI) | 0 | 2 | 0 | 2 |
25 | Norway (NOR) | 0 | 1 | 1 | 2 |
25 | Romania (ROU) | 0 | 1 | 1 | 2 |
27 | Argentina (ARG) | 0 | 1 | 0 | 1 |
27 | Bulgaria (BUL) | 0 | 1 | 0 | 1 |
29 | Portugal (POR) | 0 | 0 | 3 | 3 |
30 | Hungary (HUN) | 0 | 0 | 1 | 1 |
30 | Saudi Arabia (KSA) | 0 | 0 | 1 | 1 |
Total | 133 | 131 | 131 | 395 |
The other solution could be the use of 'class=wikitable':
Rank | Nation | Gold | Silver | Bronze | Total |
---|---|---|---|---|---|
1 | Germany (GER) | 21 | 10 | 11 | 42 |
2 | Sweden (SWE) | 17 | 10 | 14 | 41 |
3 | France (FRA) | 12 | 12 | 10 | 34 |
4 | United States (USA) | 11 | 20 | 18 | 49 |
5 | West Germany (FRG) | 11 | 5 | 9 | 25 |
6 | Netherlands (NED) | 10 | 10 | 2 | 22 |
7 | Italy (ITA) | 7 | 9 | 7 | 23 |
8 | Great Britain (GBR) | 6 | 9 | 12 | 27 |
9 | Soviet Union (URS) | 6 | 5 | 4 | 15 |
10 | Australia (AUS) | 6 | 3 | 2 | 11 |
11 | United Team of Germany (EUA) | 5 | 5 | 4 | 14 |
12 | Switzerland (SUI) | 4 | 10 | 7 | 21 |
13 | Belgium (BEL) | 4 | 2 | 6 | 12 |
14 | New Zealand (NZL) | 3 | 2 | 4 | 9 |
15 | Canada (CAN) | 2 | 2 | 2 | 6 |
16 | Mexico (MEX) | 2 | 1 | 4 | 7 |
17 | Poland (POL) | 1 | 3 | 2 | 6 |
18 | Spain (ESP) | 1 | 2 | 1 | 4 |
19 | Austria (AUT) | 1 | 1 | 1 | 3 |
20 | Brazil (BRA) | 1 | 0 | 2 | 3 |
21 | Czechoslovakia (TCH) | 1 | 0 | 0 | 1 |
Japan (JPN) | 1 | 0 | 0 | 1 | |
23 | Denmark (DEN) | 0 | 4 | 2 | 6 |
24 | Chile (CHI) | 0 | 2 | 0 | 2 |
25 | Norway (NOR) | 0 | 1 | 1 | 2 |
Romania (ROU) | 0 | 1 | 1 | 2 | |
27 | Argentina (ARG) | 0 | 1 | 0 | 1 |
Bulgaria (BUL) | 0 | 1 | 0 | 1 | |
29 | Portugal (POR) | 0 | 0 | 3 | 3 |
30 | Hungary (HUN) | 0 | 0 | 1 | 1 |
Saudi Arabia (KSA) | 0 | 0 | 1 | 1 | |
Total | 133 | 131 | 131 | 395 |
HorsemansWiki ( talk) 02:27, 28 October 2008 (UTC)
The Grand Prix Jumping part of the
Equestrian at the Summer Olympics#1900 Paris Games seems
to contradict to the content of
Equestrian at the 1900 Summer Olympics - Jumping, which states that
45 competitors entered, though only 37 competed, and the result was:
This seems to be in line with the information of the following sources:
-- HorsemansWiki ( talk) 12:34, 18 November 2008 (UTC)
The 1956 events were not just held in Stockholm, but were held several months prior to the actual Olympic Games and they even featured a completely different medal design. Is this worth noting in the article, or should this just be mentioned in the 1956 equestrian event article? Joey80 ( talk) 03:07, 10 November 2009 (UTC)
Equestrian being an adjective, one wonders what intended noun has been intended. The tortured phrase displayed on Wikipedia's Main Page ...United States' last military delegation to equestrian at the Summer Olympics... (a verb?) should have alerted editors that the title of this article needs work.-- Wetman ( talk) 16:59, 10 February 2012 (UTC)
I'm struggling to understand what is and is not included in the medal table.
If one considers the three Olympic Equestrian Disciplines (Eventing, Showjumping and Dressage) since 1912 there can be a maximum of 132 medals of each colour (1 per team and 1 individual over 3 disciplines over 22 games). In fact there were no team showjumping medals awarded in 1932 (so minus 1 of each), there was no bronze medal awarded in team eventing in 1932 either (minus 1 bronze) and there was no team dressage competition held in 1912, 1920, 1924 or 1960 (minus 4 of each).
This suggests that the columns in the medal table should add up to a maximum of Gold - 127, Silver - 127, Bronze - 126
I don't think the medals for Polo, Vaulting and Prizejumping should be included — Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.9.201.212 ( talk) 11:44, 23 July 2012 (UTC)
What are the current values the FEI is using for three day ie in the past I believe it was 1 dressage 12 cross country 3 show jumping ? From Stuart Black USA — Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.42.216.51 ( talk) 15:05, 25 November 2013 (UTC)
It appears that 25% or 27% of the openly GLBT competitors at the 2016 Summer Olympics are in the Equestrian field. Interesting. I'm not sure it is relevant to this article. But it is a huge percentage in one very small sport. What do others think? T-bonham ( talk) 08:45, 10 August 2016 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: Procedural close It would indeed be best to have this discussion at one place and not have to repeat the exercise for the dozens of similar articles (and categories). RandomCanadian ( talk / contribs) 15:07, 1 February 2022 (UTC)
Equestrian at the Summer Olympics →
Equestrianism at the Summer Olympic Games – This was moved, correctly as far as I can see, to
Equestrianism at the Summer Olympics and then moved back. Our
article title policy is clear that an article title is under normal circumstances always a
noun.
[1] 'Equestrian' can be a noun, but makes no sense as one in this context; here it is an adjective. I propose a change in the title from 'Summer Olympics' to 'Summer Olympic Games' because that is the title of
our article, but no objection to
Equestrianism at the Summer Olympics if that is preferred. If the page is moved, all dependent pages such as
Equestrian at the 2004 Summer Olympics should be moved to match.
Justlettersandnumbers (
talk)
13:29, 1 February 2022 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: moved. ( closed by non-admin page mover) ❯❯❯ Raydann (Talk) 16:44, 7 February 2024 (UTC)
– In ordinary English usage, equestrian is either an adjective or, when used as a noun, means a rider and not events, sports, or equestrianism. See Cambridge, OED, Collins, Merriam-Webster, dictionary.com. Some editors may be accustomed to equestrian as a noun other than 'person who rides horses'; others find equestrian in the current titles ungrammatical. But in either case, "equestrian events" is universally natural and common to English speakers of all backgrounds. (Previously discussed in a 2022 RfC, with no formal closure: "equestrian events" acceptable to the largest number of editors; consensus against "equestrianism"; "equestrian sports" also possible.) Adumbrativus ( talk) 05:10, 30 December 2023 (UTC) — Relisting. Extraordinary Writ ( talk) 07:58, 6 January 2024 (UTC) — Relisting. Polyamorph ( talk) 18:45, 21 January 2024 (UTC) — Relisting. BilledMammal ( talk) 05:27, 31 January 2024 (UTC)
very clearly not the current titles. And, again, the titles aren't poor English insomuch as "Equestrian" is being considered a proper noun (as the official name), even if it sounds strange. That's another reason to point out that it is the official name - it makes the grammar concern utterly moot.
We have a standard format. Are we going to change all articles to "Swimming events at the XXXX Summer Olympics" and similar or are we going to make Equestrian stand out in a different way by not? It would be a lot of unnecessary page moves that just create a different title issue. Kingsif ( talk) 17:47, 10 January 2024 (UTC)
Don't lie.I very much suggest you don't make a habit of language like this or you will rapidly end up being blocked. -- Necrothesp ( talk) 11:53, 11 January 2024 (UTC)
This is the
talk page for discussing improvements to the
Equestrian events at the Summer Olympics article. This is not a forum for general discussion of the article's subject. |
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On 30 December 2023, it was proposed that this article be moved from Equestrian at the Summer Olympics to Equestrian events at the Summer Olympics. The result of the discussion was moved. |
The nations chart on this page appears not to be complete. It also needs some explanatory text as it is not clear was the numbers represent.
The RankedMedalTable with the 'class=wikitable sortable' parameter should not have rowspan, becouse it will screw up the table when one tries to sort it.
One solution could be the repeatition of ranks for ties:
Rank | Nation | Gold | Silver | Bronze | Total |
---|---|---|---|---|---|
1 | Germany (GER) | 21 | 10 | 11 | 42 |
2 | Sweden (SWE) | 17 | 10 | 14 | 41 |
3 | France (FRA) | 12 | 12 | 10 | 34 |
4 | United States (USA) | 11 | 20 | 18 | 49 |
5 | West Germany (FRG) | 11 | 5 | 9 | 25 |
6 | Netherlands (NED) | 10 | 10 | 2 | 22 |
7 | Italy (ITA) | 7 | 9 | 7 | 23 |
8 | Great Britain (GBR) | 6 | 9 | 12 | 27 |
9 | Soviet Union (URS) | 6 | 5 | 4 | 15 |
10 | Australia (AUS) | 6 | 3 | 2 | 11 |
11 | United Team of Germany (EUA) | 5 | 5 | 4 | 14 |
12 | Switzerland (SUI) | 4 | 10 | 7 | 21 |
13 | Belgium (BEL) | 4 | 2 | 6 | 12 |
14 | New Zealand (NZL) | 3 | 2 | 4 | 9 |
15 | Canada (CAN) | 2 | 2 | 2 | 6 |
16 | Mexico (MEX) | 2 | 1 | 4 | 7 |
17 | Poland (POL) | 1 | 3 | 2 | 6 |
18 | Spain (ESP) | 1 | 2 | 1 | 4 |
19 | Austria (AUT) | 1 | 1 | 1 | 3 |
20 | Brazil (BRA) | 1 | 0 | 2 | 3 |
21 | Czechoslovakia (TCH) | 1 | 0 | 0 | 1 |
21 | Japan (JPN) | 1 | 0 | 0 | 1 |
23 | Denmark (DEN) | 0 | 4 | 2 | 6 |
24 | Chile (CHI) | 0 | 2 | 0 | 2 |
25 | Norway (NOR) | 0 | 1 | 1 | 2 |
25 | Romania (ROU) | 0 | 1 | 1 | 2 |
27 | Argentina (ARG) | 0 | 1 | 0 | 1 |
27 | Bulgaria (BUL) | 0 | 1 | 0 | 1 |
29 | Portugal (POR) | 0 | 0 | 3 | 3 |
30 | Hungary (HUN) | 0 | 0 | 1 | 1 |
30 | Saudi Arabia (KSA) | 0 | 0 | 1 | 1 |
Total | 133 | 131 | 131 | 395 |
The other solution could be the use of 'class=wikitable':
Rank | Nation | Gold | Silver | Bronze | Total |
---|---|---|---|---|---|
1 | Germany (GER) | 21 | 10 | 11 | 42 |
2 | Sweden (SWE) | 17 | 10 | 14 | 41 |
3 | France (FRA) | 12 | 12 | 10 | 34 |
4 | United States (USA) | 11 | 20 | 18 | 49 |
5 | West Germany (FRG) | 11 | 5 | 9 | 25 |
6 | Netherlands (NED) | 10 | 10 | 2 | 22 |
7 | Italy (ITA) | 7 | 9 | 7 | 23 |
8 | Great Britain (GBR) | 6 | 9 | 12 | 27 |
9 | Soviet Union (URS) | 6 | 5 | 4 | 15 |
10 | Australia (AUS) | 6 | 3 | 2 | 11 |
11 | United Team of Germany (EUA) | 5 | 5 | 4 | 14 |
12 | Switzerland (SUI) | 4 | 10 | 7 | 21 |
13 | Belgium (BEL) | 4 | 2 | 6 | 12 |
14 | New Zealand (NZL) | 3 | 2 | 4 | 9 |
15 | Canada (CAN) | 2 | 2 | 2 | 6 |
16 | Mexico (MEX) | 2 | 1 | 4 | 7 |
17 | Poland (POL) | 1 | 3 | 2 | 6 |
18 | Spain (ESP) | 1 | 2 | 1 | 4 |
19 | Austria (AUT) | 1 | 1 | 1 | 3 |
20 | Brazil (BRA) | 1 | 0 | 2 | 3 |
21 | Czechoslovakia (TCH) | 1 | 0 | 0 | 1 |
Japan (JPN) | 1 | 0 | 0 | 1 | |
23 | Denmark (DEN) | 0 | 4 | 2 | 6 |
24 | Chile (CHI) | 0 | 2 | 0 | 2 |
25 | Norway (NOR) | 0 | 1 | 1 | 2 |
Romania (ROU) | 0 | 1 | 1 | 2 | |
27 | Argentina (ARG) | 0 | 1 | 0 | 1 |
Bulgaria (BUL) | 0 | 1 | 0 | 1 | |
29 | Portugal (POR) | 0 | 0 | 3 | 3 |
30 | Hungary (HUN) | 0 | 0 | 1 | 1 |
Saudi Arabia (KSA) | 0 | 0 | 1 | 1 | |
Total | 133 | 131 | 131 | 395 |
HorsemansWiki ( talk) 02:27, 28 October 2008 (UTC)
The Grand Prix Jumping part of the
Equestrian at the Summer Olympics#1900 Paris Games seems
to contradict to the content of
Equestrian at the 1900 Summer Olympics - Jumping, which states that
45 competitors entered, though only 37 competed, and the result was:
This seems to be in line with the information of the following sources:
-- HorsemansWiki ( talk) 12:34, 18 November 2008 (UTC)
The 1956 events were not just held in Stockholm, but were held several months prior to the actual Olympic Games and they even featured a completely different medal design. Is this worth noting in the article, or should this just be mentioned in the 1956 equestrian event article? Joey80 ( talk) 03:07, 10 November 2009 (UTC)
Equestrian being an adjective, one wonders what intended noun has been intended. The tortured phrase displayed on Wikipedia's Main Page ...United States' last military delegation to equestrian at the Summer Olympics... (a verb?) should have alerted editors that the title of this article needs work.-- Wetman ( talk) 16:59, 10 February 2012 (UTC)
I'm struggling to understand what is and is not included in the medal table.
If one considers the three Olympic Equestrian Disciplines (Eventing, Showjumping and Dressage) since 1912 there can be a maximum of 132 medals of each colour (1 per team and 1 individual over 3 disciplines over 22 games). In fact there were no team showjumping medals awarded in 1932 (so minus 1 of each), there was no bronze medal awarded in team eventing in 1932 either (minus 1 bronze) and there was no team dressage competition held in 1912, 1920, 1924 or 1960 (minus 4 of each).
This suggests that the columns in the medal table should add up to a maximum of Gold - 127, Silver - 127, Bronze - 126
I don't think the medals for Polo, Vaulting and Prizejumping should be included — Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.9.201.212 ( talk) 11:44, 23 July 2012 (UTC)
What are the current values the FEI is using for three day ie in the past I believe it was 1 dressage 12 cross country 3 show jumping ? From Stuart Black USA — Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.42.216.51 ( talk) 15:05, 25 November 2013 (UTC)
It appears that 25% or 27% of the openly GLBT competitors at the 2016 Summer Olympics are in the Equestrian field. Interesting. I'm not sure it is relevant to this article. But it is a huge percentage in one very small sport. What do others think? T-bonham ( talk) 08:45, 10 August 2016 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: Procedural close It would indeed be best to have this discussion at one place and not have to repeat the exercise for the dozens of similar articles (and categories). RandomCanadian ( talk / contribs) 15:07, 1 February 2022 (UTC)
Equestrian at the Summer Olympics →
Equestrianism at the Summer Olympic Games – This was moved, correctly as far as I can see, to
Equestrianism at the Summer Olympics and then moved back. Our
article title policy is clear that an article title is under normal circumstances always a
noun.
[1] 'Equestrian' can be a noun, but makes no sense as one in this context; here it is an adjective. I propose a change in the title from 'Summer Olympics' to 'Summer Olympic Games' because that is the title of
our article, but no objection to
Equestrianism at the Summer Olympics if that is preferred. If the page is moved, all dependent pages such as
Equestrian at the 2004 Summer Olympics should be moved to match.
Justlettersandnumbers (
talk)
13:29, 1 February 2022 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: moved. ( closed by non-admin page mover) ❯❯❯ Raydann (Talk) 16:44, 7 February 2024 (UTC)
– In ordinary English usage, equestrian is either an adjective or, when used as a noun, means a rider and not events, sports, or equestrianism. See Cambridge, OED, Collins, Merriam-Webster, dictionary.com. Some editors may be accustomed to equestrian as a noun other than 'person who rides horses'; others find equestrian in the current titles ungrammatical. But in either case, "equestrian events" is universally natural and common to English speakers of all backgrounds. (Previously discussed in a 2022 RfC, with no formal closure: "equestrian events" acceptable to the largest number of editors; consensus against "equestrianism"; "equestrian sports" also possible.) Adumbrativus ( talk) 05:10, 30 December 2023 (UTC) — Relisting. Extraordinary Writ ( talk) 07:58, 6 January 2024 (UTC) — Relisting. Polyamorph ( talk) 18:45, 21 January 2024 (UTC) — Relisting. BilledMammal ( talk) 05:27, 31 January 2024 (UTC)
very clearly not the current titles. And, again, the titles aren't poor English insomuch as "Equestrian" is being considered a proper noun (as the official name), even if it sounds strange. That's another reason to point out that it is the official name - it makes the grammar concern utterly moot.
We have a standard format. Are we going to change all articles to "Swimming events at the XXXX Summer Olympics" and similar or are we going to make Equestrian stand out in a different way by not? It would be a lot of unnecessary page moves that just create a different title issue. Kingsif ( talk) 17:47, 10 January 2024 (UTC)
Don't lie.I very much suggest you don't make a habit of language like this or you will rapidly end up being blocked. -- Necrothesp ( talk) 11:53, 11 January 2024 (UTC)