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James Preston was a United States statesman, who ostensibly had nothing to do with the town. I can find no record whatsoever of Ziad Soobratty in Yahoo. Have removed both names from the list. Dieter Simon 00:59, 5 April 2006 (UTC)
is it worth mentioning channel 4 voted it as the nicest place to live in the UK? Adamshappy 18:48, 3 July 2006 (UTC)
Please clarify the relevance of the two images, the poppies photo and that of the beer bottles with particular reference to Epsom. Are the poppies made in Epsom? Are the beers brewed in Epsom?. If there is no particular relevance please add them to the articles where they are being discussed. Dieter Simon 00:42, 1 September 2006 (UTC)
Does the article really need a long list of pubs and social clubs in Epsom? Most of them aren't notable, they're just pubs.
And apparently the 7th Epsom scout group ranks higher than Epsom Playhouse in the list of local entertainments. 172.132.78.203 01:25, 2 September 2006 (UTC)
Added info on the clock tower 91.105.143.184 ( talk) —Preceding undated comment added 09:21, 6 January 2010 (UTC).
I accessed an article on Epsom and noted factual mistakes. I merely wanted to correct them (edit?) not write a new article. I do not wish to be identified so I created an account. I will try to find the page again and edit it, but in case I cannot:
1. The article stated that parts of Epsom are in the District of Reigate and Banstead. I strongly suspect that this is not so. I believe the contributor is confusing an indeterminate area loosely referred to as Epsom Downs with Epsom Town. The downland starts at the race course and the village of Langley Vale within the borough of Epsom & Ewell, and extends, without natural borders, into countryside neighbouring Tadworth, Walton Heath, Walton-on-the-Hill, and Banstead, all of which are within the District of Reigate and Banstead.
2. The article stated something to the effect that Epsom is within the Greater London area. I know his is not true. I have lived in the Borough of Epsom & Ewell from 1947 to 1986, and from 2007 to date (2010).
During the time of the London County Council, when Epsom Kingston and Sutton were all under Surrey County Council, there was a Metropolitan Police Force covering the LCC area (save for the City of London) and surrounding areas from the Home Counties, including Epsom and Ewell. The Metropolitan Area was not a tier of local government, just a police authority larger than the LCC, in charge for example of the Carriage Office, regulating London taxicabs. It may also have been used as a convenient descriptive area for other purposes.
When local government authorities were to be reorganised, it was proposed that the Metropolitan Police area become the jurisdiction at county level of the Greater London Council, with subordinate local authorities to be known as London Boroughs. Being in the "Green Belt" (created by the Town & Country Planning Act 1947)), surrounding London's urban sprawl, Epsom & Ewell Borough Council vehemently and successfully opposed this (an expense figure of £3 million springs to mind), with the result that this borough was excluded from the new GLC when it was created in 1963, but continued both to be under Surrey County Council, and to remain in the Metropolitan Police area, paying a precept to the Metropolitan Police Authority as before. Sutton and Cheam formed the major part of the London Borough of Sutton, and Kingston and Surbiton that of the London Borough of Kingston.
Sometime between 1986 and 2007, when I lived elsewhere, this anomaly was corrected and the police authority for Epsom and Ewell is now Surrey County Council.
3. I am sure that I have given enough information to enable someone who, unlike me, knows their way around the internet, to verify my assertions.
4. I will try to find my way back to see your response in a few days.
Junipers18 ( talk) 01:17, 21 August 2010 (UTC)
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Hi All!
I've been working on the Epsom article over the past month or so and would like to nominate it for a
Good Article review in a few weeks' time. I'd be very grateful for feedback on how to improve the article further. In particular, I'd appreciate some input into refining the lead section and for any photos that might help illustrate the later sections.
Please let me know your thoughts. Thanks and best wishes
Mertbiol (
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Hi @ FormalDude: Thanks for picking up the review. I look forward to working with you. I see that you have already made a couple of changes to the article:
I will therefore revert your changes. Best wishes Mertbiol ( talk) 22:42, 14 September 2021 (UTC)
–– FormalDude talk 23:10, 14 September 2021 (UTC)
The reliability of the website eehe.org.uk has been questioned, since this is a GA and the source is used in this article, I'm notifying editors here of the discussion at WP:Reliable_sources/Noticeboard#Epsom_and_Ewell_History_Explorer. Best wishes, Polyamorph ( talk) 11:14, 29 August 2023 (UTC)
Thanks @ Polyamorph: for your notification. Thanks also to SamuelRiv for their very thoughtful response above. As SamuelRiv has already said, you do have to take each citation in turn rather than attempting to condemn or exonerate the EEHE as a whole. As WP:RSCONTEXT makes clear:
I am very comfortable using local history museum/society websites to support simple factual statements (e.g. "Event A happened on date B"), particularly when "date B" is after 1800. I would be more wary of using them to support interpretations such as "As a result of Event X, Person Y did Z". The further back in time you go, the more cautious you need to be and I would be very reluctant to use this type of website as a source in a pre-history section (i.e. pre-1066).
The
Woodcote Park article has undergone some heavy editing over the past few days, but looking at it now (around 7pm on Tuesday), there are only two EEHE pages cited. The first ([15] about the convalescent camp) is always used with one or more other sources and doesn't contradict them. The second ([26] a more general history) is used twice - the first time confirms what another reference is saying, the second states that the gardens were dug for allotments in the war - hardly controversial! I think I am comfortable with both sources being used in these ways.
Turning to the
Epsom article, it is perhaps true that the EEHE website is used more frequently as a source than might be considered desirable, but when I rewrote the page before
WP:GAN, the UK was only just opening up after the Christmas 2020/21 lockdown, so sources were harder to access. That said, I have had a quick look through and I think the general principles that I outlined above (i.e. post-1800, straightforward facts) are almost always followed, and I don't feel uncomfortable with my use of the EEHE website in any of the cases where I've cited it.
I hope this helps and thanks again for the notification. Best wishes
Mertbiol (
talk) 18:18, 29 August 2023 (UTC)
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James Preston was a United States statesman, who ostensibly had nothing to do with the town. I can find no record whatsoever of Ziad Soobratty in Yahoo. Have removed both names from the list. Dieter Simon 00:59, 5 April 2006 (UTC)
is it worth mentioning channel 4 voted it as the nicest place to live in the UK? Adamshappy 18:48, 3 July 2006 (UTC)
Please clarify the relevance of the two images, the poppies photo and that of the beer bottles with particular reference to Epsom. Are the poppies made in Epsom? Are the beers brewed in Epsom?. If there is no particular relevance please add them to the articles where they are being discussed. Dieter Simon 00:42, 1 September 2006 (UTC)
Does the article really need a long list of pubs and social clubs in Epsom? Most of them aren't notable, they're just pubs.
And apparently the 7th Epsom scout group ranks higher than Epsom Playhouse in the list of local entertainments. 172.132.78.203 01:25, 2 September 2006 (UTC)
Added info on the clock tower 91.105.143.184 ( talk) —Preceding undated comment added 09:21, 6 January 2010 (UTC).
I accessed an article on Epsom and noted factual mistakes. I merely wanted to correct them (edit?) not write a new article. I do not wish to be identified so I created an account. I will try to find the page again and edit it, but in case I cannot:
1. The article stated that parts of Epsom are in the District of Reigate and Banstead. I strongly suspect that this is not so. I believe the contributor is confusing an indeterminate area loosely referred to as Epsom Downs with Epsom Town. The downland starts at the race course and the village of Langley Vale within the borough of Epsom & Ewell, and extends, without natural borders, into countryside neighbouring Tadworth, Walton Heath, Walton-on-the-Hill, and Banstead, all of which are within the District of Reigate and Banstead.
2. The article stated something to the effect that Epsom is within the Greater London area. I know his is not true. I have lived in the Borough of Epsom & Ewell from 1947 to 1986, and from 2007 to date (2010).
During the time of the London County Council, when Epsom Kingston and Sutton were all under Surrey County Council, there was a Metropolitan Police Force covering the LCC area (save for the City of London) and surrounding areas from the Home Counties, including Epsom and Ewell. The Metropolitan Area was not a tier of local government, just a police authority larger than the LCC, in charge for example of the Carriage Office, regulating London taxicabs. It may also have been used as a convenient descriptive area for other purposes.
When local government authorities were to be reorganised, it was proposed that the Metropolitan Police area become the jurisdiction at county level of the Greater London Council, with subordinate local authorities to be known as London Boroughs. Being in the "Green Belt" (created by the Town & Country Planning Act 1947)), surrounding London's urban sprawl, Epsom & Ewell Borough Council vehemently and successfully opposed this (an expense figure of £3 million springs to mind), with the result that this borough was excluded from the new GLC when it was created in 1963, but continued both to be under Surrey County Council, and to remain in the Metropolitan Police area, paying a precept to the Metropolitan Police Authority as before. Sutton and Cheam formed the major part of the London Borough of Sutton, and Kingston and Surbiton that of the London Borough of Kingston.
Sometime between 1986 and 2007, when I lived elsewhere, this anomaly was corrected and the police authority for Epsom and Ewell is now Surrey County Council.
3. I am sure that I have given enough information to enable someone who, unlike me, knows their way around the internet, to verify my assertions.
4. I will try to find my way back to see your response in a few days.
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Hi All!
I've been working on the Epsom article over the past month or so and would like to nominate it for a
Good Article review in a few weeks' time. I'd be very grateful for feedback on how to improve the article further. In particular, I'd appreciate some input into refining the lead section and for any photos that might help illustrate the later sections.
Please let me know your thoughts. Thanks and best wishes
Mertbiol (
talk) 16:03, 4 August 2021 (UTC)
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I have begun reviewing the article Epsom. This process may take up to 7 days. Feel free to contact me with any questions or comments. –– FormalDude talk 22:15, 14 September 2021 (UTC)
Hi @ FormalDude: Thanks for picking up the review. I look forward to working with you. I see that you have already made a couple of changes to the article:
I will therefore revert your changes. Best wishes Mertbiol ( talk) 22:42, 14 September 2021 (UTC)
–– FormalDude talk 23:10, 14 September 2021 (UTC)
The reliability of the website eehe.org.uk has been questioned, since this is a GA and the source is used in this article, I'm notifying editors here of the discussion at WP:Reliable_sources/Noticeboard#Epsom_and_Ewell_History_Explorer. Best wishes, Polyamorph ( talk) 11:14, 29 August 2023 (UTC)
Thanks @ Polyamorph: for your notification. Thanks also to SamuelRiv for their very thoughtful response above. As SamuelRiv has already said, you do have to take each citation in turn rather than attempting to condemn or exonerate the EEHE as a whole. As WP:RSCONTEXT makes clear:
I am very comfortable using local history museum/society websites to support simple factual statements (e.g. "Event A happened on date B"), particularly when "date B" is after 1800. I would be more wary of using them to support interpretations such as "As a result of Event X, Person Y did Z". The further back in time you go, the more cautious you need to be and I would be very reluctant to use this type of website as a source in a pre-history section (i.e. pre-1066).
The
Woodcote Park article has undergone some heavy editing over the past few days, but looking at it now (around 7pm on Tuesday), there are only two EEHE pages cited. The first ([15] about the convalescent camp) is always used with one or more other sources and doesn't contradict them. The second ([26] a more general history) is used twice - the first time confirms what another reference is saying, the second states that the gardens were dug for allotments in the war - hardly controversial! I think I am comfortable with both sources being used in these ways.
Turning to the
Epsom article, it is perhaps true that the EEHE website is used more frequently as a source than might be considered desirable, but when I rewrote the page before
WP:GAN, the UK was only just opening up after the Christmas 2020/21 lockdown, so sources were harder to access. That said, I have had a quick look through and I think the general principles that I outlined above (i.e. post-1800, straightforward facts) are almost always followed, and I don't feel uncomfortable with my use of the EEHE website in any of the cases where I've cited it.
I hope this helps and thanks again for the notification. Best wishes
Mertbiol (
talk) 18:18, 29 August 2023 (UTC)