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I added a Citation Needed to the claim that Draughts is known in the US and Canada simply as "draught". I have never heard the term before for the 22 odd years I've lived in Canada. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.55.116.194 ( talk) 06:37, 12 July 2010 (UTC)
This page is fucken bull-shit. Cite error: There are <ref>
tags on this page without content in them (see the
help page).
222.155.57.9 ( talk) 09:29, 17 June 2020 (UTC)
there should be a history of da game yuh i wanna know who invented checkers —Preceding unsigned comment added by Grandtheftwalrus ( talk • contribs) 08:05, 31 August 2008 (UTC)
Clearly the sentence attributing the game to Abraham Lincoln as inspired by a batch of particularly unlikely cookies is vandalism and should be removed. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.182.166.154 ( talk) 05:55, 3 June 2010 (UTC)
NOTE: I posted the news article that the game had been solved by Chinook, but I haven't got the skill or experience to format it correctly. Can someone do this for me? NOTE: I'm pretty sure the last sentence in the article about the game being solved is wrong. "Not all positions that can arise from imperfect play have been analyzed." This makes no sense, as the only way to demonstrate that play is incorrect would be to analyze the resulting position to a final result. To prove the game is a draw with best play, you have to analyze all of the possible positions, unless I am missing something.
I intend this article to give a detailed explanation of English draughts and remove the detailed explanation from
draughts that should treat the whole groups of draughts, and not selectively digress on one variant that is not even the most popular form worldwide.
Andries 12:51, 25 Jun 2005 (UTC)
The New Scientist article is really bad. It is full of incorrect statements. Is it necessary to have it as a reference? 66.30.113.23 07:05, 21 August 2007 (UTC)
Section "Rules" states that no draw is possible, section "Computational complexity" states that a certain tournament opening is a draw. So which is true? 141.252.27.113 09:35, 6 June 2007 (UTC)
In addition, the page Marion_Tinsley: "but Tinsley withdrew after only six games (all draws) for health reasons." Having no possible moves to do, is that a loss or a draw? 141.252.27.113 09:39, 6 June 2007 (UTC)
Rule #12 of Tournament Rules of American Checkers Foundation states that a draw is possible under certain conditions. Citing this would probably violate copyright. (IANAL) So then please see usacheckers.com. 141.252.27.113 09:53, 6 June 2007 (UTC)
It's inclear wheather English draughts have flyong kings or not. Article abuot international draughts statrs that the rules are similar except in int draughts piecs can capture backvards. But in int draughts there is flying kings. So something is incorrect —Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.63.128.150 ( talk) 06:48, 1 September 2007 (UTC)
It isn't clear whether a jump may only be performed forward, or if backward jumps are also possible. Gil_mo 06:56, 10 October 2007 (UTC)
I know the English hate any Americanization at Wikipedia, but seeing as the Dutch article calls this variant Checkers would a move be acceptable? At present "checkers" has no article and only exists as a redirect. I think there are many North Americans who are only vaguely aware it's also called "English draughts."-- T. Anthony ( talk) 08:51, 7 December 2007 (UTC)
I've never heard of "english draughts" ever in my life. Checkers, of course. but "checkers" isn't "American" if it's called "checkers" in Dutch, now is it? Sneakernets ( talk) 09:30, 4 February 2008 (UTC)
Speaking of moves and merges, I was thinking that this should be merged with Draughts. What's the difference? The term "draughts" is British English for the game anyway, so "English Draughts" seems a bit redundant. Plus, the content is nearly the same anyway. Does anyone else agree with this? Mizu onna sango15/ 水女珊瑚15 22:16, 24 February 2008 (UTC)
We could compromise, and move it to "chequers", <grin> -- Derek Ross | Talk 06:26, 27 March 2008 (UTC)
This article needs to tell how the squares are numbered, and how moves are recorded. Bubba73 (talk), 18:52, 9 January 2008 (UTC)
One sentence says "[A common misconception is] that the game ends in a draw when a player has no legal move but still pieces remaining (true in chess but not in draughts; see stalemate)", while another sentence says "A player wins by capturing all of the opposing player's pieces, or by leaving the opposing player with no legal moves.". So which is it? When a player has no legal moves, do they lose or is it a stalemate? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.177.113.133 ( talk) 22:46, 22 March 2008 (UTC)
Currently, checkers redirects to this page, I think that checkes should be the title and english draughts should be one of the names mentioned, inverse of how it is now. -- Ipatrol ( talk) 22:27, 17 September 2008 (UTC)
Does anyone know which name is more used in English speaking regions worldwide? I had never heard of checkers being called draughts until I looked it up on wiki. Perhaps it's only called checkers in the US, but it would be nice if someone could confirm this. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.223.233.227 ( talk) 17:23, 3 January 2009 (UTC)
Guys, this is wikipedia. We need to defer to what the 15 year old moderator thinks is best. Logic doesn't play a part in the decision. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.102.195.29 ( talk) 17:54, 20 November 2010 (UTC)
As far as I can tell, this game is known as "draughts" only in the UK and a few Commonwealth countries including Australia and New Zealand; it is known as "checkers" in the USA, Canada and many other countries. It seems to be a bit of a stretch to claim that "English draughts" is the "International English" name for the game. Who decided upon this? Although I understand the concept of "International English," the referenced Wikipedia article gives no practical guidance as to what body, if any, has standardized the vocabulary of this putative language. I thus propose that it is much more reasonable for "International English" to be replaced with "British English" on the model of "American English" and "Canadian English" in the same sentence. I have made this edit for this reason. AlanSiegrist ( talk) 08:37, 27 January 2012 (UTC)
This sentence makes no sense to me: "Most commonly, the board alternates between red and black opponent are captured by jumping over them." Can anybody detect what the subject and predicate are?
Under "four common misconceptions" it says that Kings act the same as other pieces but can move forwards and backwards. This means either that (1) this is not true, and there is something else unusual about a King, or (2) this is true, but many players grant additional abnormalities to the King. Either way, please rephrase this point so there is no confusion, and if there is an additional pointer about what Kings can do, please point it out. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Kilyle ( talk • contribs) 16:27, 3 January 2009 (UTC)
Should we add a history section? It would seem appropriate. Lord Seth ( talk) 23:57, 16 April 2009 (UTC)
An uncrowned piece can only jump diagonally forwards, but a king can also jump diagonally backwards but only one space. What does it mean by a king can only jump only one space? A jump must be two diagonal spaces each time.-- Mikespedia ( talk) 05:55, 21 October 2009 (UTC)
The section paragraph on "huffing" notes "In this variation jumping is not mandatory". This implies that jumping is mandatory in the normal rules, but this is not mentioned in the rules. My understanding of the rules is that a player must make a jump move if any jump moves are possible on their turn (but they can choose which jump move to make). The closest I can see to this is "When multiple-option jumping moves are available, whether with the one piece in different directions or multiple pieces that can make various jumping moves, the player may choose which piece to jump with and which jumping option or sequence of jumps to make." but this seems to leave open the possibility of a player not making a jump move at all. Could someone with a proper understanding of the rules either amend the page to make it clearer, or correct me here. BruceMcAdam ( talk) 12:35, 17 November 2009 (UTC)
There's indeed a contradiction in the article. A win is when opponent has "no legal moves", a draw is when an opponent is "unable to move". Is there a difference? See also the English Draughts Association | Rules, there are more specific conditions for a draw. Gil_mo ( talk) 19:45, 15 October 2010 (UTC)
I don't mean to be picky, but I know the game as "checkers," a name not given in the opening list of names. 211.225.30.91 ( talk) 06:26, 18 June 2011 (UTC)
interesting side note : http://web.archive.org/web/20040310101421/http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draughts <-earliest checkers/draughts article on wikipedia. 184.17.202.167 ( talk) 22:55, 20 March 2012 (UTC)
I was researching the mandatory jumping rule and have come to inconclusive results. Base on my research mandatory jumping can be enforced but is not "standard". Ehow's checkers rules do not suggest that jumping is forced. However [3] suggests that it is. I went to Optime software's checkers rules and by default forced jumping is disabled. Optime Software is a major app making software developer and has repeatedly made top ten apps which leads me to believe that standard rules do not enforce jumping. This there a link for "official tournament" rules? Valoem talk 18:53, 25 July 2012 (UTC)
Ihardlythinkso ( talk) 20:23, 25 July 2012 (UTC)All capturing moves are compulsory, whether offered actively or passively. If there are two or more ways to jump, a player may select any one that they wish, not necessarily that which gains the most pieces. Once started, a multiple jump must be carried through to completion. A man can only be jumped once during a multiple jumping sequence.
If a piece becomes a king from jumping the opponents pieces then it has an available backwards jump after it becomes a king, is it supposed to continue jumping after it becomes a king in the same turn? Blackbombchu ( talk) 02:50, 4 December 2013 (UTC)
Draughts? If not, how is it different? If so, should they be combined and one redirected to the other?
Seems ... redundant?
50.53.112.10 ( talk) 23:43, 12 March 2021 (UTC)
The section on 'Notation' uses the term 'double-corner', but as far as I can see this is the only use of the term in the article, and it's meaning is not explained. I noticed this because I saw the term 'double corner' somewhere else, also unexplained, and Googled it to find out what it means. It is presumably one of those things which 'everyone knows' but no-one ever bothers to explain, which appear to be common in articles about games. 2A00:23C8:7907:4B01:6434:5525:133D:1514 ( talk) 17:42, 1 February 2023 (UTC)
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I added a Citation Needed to the claim that Draughts is known in the US and Canada simply as "draught". I have never heard the term before for the 22 odd years I've lived in Canada. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.55.116.194 ( talk) 06:37, 12 July 2010 (UTC)
This page is fucken bull-shit. Cite error: There are <ref>
tags on this page without content in them (see the
help page).
222.155.57.9 ( talk) 09:29, 17 June 2020 (UTC)
there should be a history of da game yuh i wanna know who invented checkers —Preceding unsigned comment added by Grandtheftwalrus ( talk • contribs) 08:05, 31 August 2008 (UTC)
Clearly the sentence attributing the game to Abraham Lincoln as inspired by a batch of particularly unlikely cookies is vandalism and should be removed. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.182.166.154 ( talk) 05:55, 3 June 2010 (UTC)
NOTE: I posted the news article that the game had been solved by Chinook, but I haven't got the skill or experience to format it correctly. Can someone do this for me? NOTE: I'm pretty sure the last sentence in the article about the game being solved is wrong. "Not all positions that can arise from imperfect play have been analyzed." This makes no sense, as the only way to demonstrate that play is incorrect would be to analyze the resulting position to a final result. To prove the game is a draw with best play, you have to analyze all of the possible positions, unless I am missing something.
I intend this article to give a detailed explanation of English draughts and remove the detailed explanation from
draughts that should treat the whole groups of draughts, and not selectively digress on one variant that is not even the most popular form worldwide.
Andries 12:51, 25 Jun 2005 (UTC)
The New Scientist article is really bad. It is full of incorrect statements. Is it necessary to have it as a reference? 66.30.113.23 07:05, 21 August 2007 (UTC)
Section "Rules" states that no draw is possible, section "Computational complexity" states that a certain tournament opening is a draw. So which is true? 141.252.27.113 09:35, 6 June 2007 (UTC)
In addition, the page Marion_Tinsley: "but Tinsley withdrew after only six games (all draws) for health reasons." Having no possible moves to do, is that a loss or a draw? 141.252.27.113 09:39, 6 June 2007 (UTC)
Rule #12 of Tournament Rules of American Checkers Foundation states that a draw is possible under certain conditions. Citing this would probably violate copyright. (IANAL) So then please see usacheckers.com. 141.252.27.113 09:53, 6 June 2007 (UTC)
It's inclear wheather English draughts have flyong kings or not. Article abuot international draughts statrs that the rules are similar except in int draughts piecs can capture backvards. But in int draughts there is flying kings. So something is incorrect —Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.63.128.150 ( talk) 06:48, 1 September 2007 (UTC)
It isn't clear whether a jump may only be performed forward, or if backward jumps are also possible. Gil_mo 06:56, 10 October 2007 (UTC)
I know the English hate any Americanization at Wikipedia, but seeing as the Dutch article calls this variant Checkers would a move be acceptable? At present "checkers" has no article and only exists as a redirect. I think there are many North Americans who are only vaguely aware it's also called "English draughts."-- T. Anthony ( talk) 08:51, 7 December 2007 (UTC)
I've never heard of "english draughts" ever in my life. Checkers, of course. but "checkers" isn't "American" if it's called "checkers" in Dutch, now is it? Sneakernets ( talk) 09:30, 4 February 2008 (UTC)
Speaking of moves and merges, I was thinking that this should be merged with Draughts. What's the difference? The term "draughts" is British English for the game anyway, so "English Draughts" seems a bit redundant. Plus, the content is nearly the same anyway. Does anyone else agree with this? Mizu onna sango15/ 水女珊瑚15 22:16, 24 February 2008 (UTC)
We could compromise, and move it to "chequers", <grin> -- Derek Ross | Talk 06:26, 27 March 2008 (UTC)
This article needs to tell how the squares are numbered, and how moves are recorded. Bubba73 (talk), 18:52, 9 January 2008 (UTC)
One sentence says "[A common misconception is] that the game ends in a draw when a player has no legal move but still pieces remaining (true in chess but not in draughts; see stalemate)", while another sentence says "A player wins by capturing all of the opposing player's pieces, or by leaving the opposing player with no legal moves.". So which is it? When a player has no legal moves, do they lose or is it a stalemate? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.177.113.133 ( talk) 22:46, 22 March 2008 (UTC)
Currently, checkers redirects to this page, I think that checkes should be the title and english draughts should be one of the names mentioned, inverse of how it is now. -- Ipatrol ( talk) 22:27, 17 September 2008 (UTC)
Does anyone know which name is more used in English speaking regions worldwide? I had never heard of checkers being called draughts until I looked it up on wiki. Perhaps it's only called checkers in the US, but it would be nice if someone could confirm this. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.223.233.227 ( talk) 17:23, 3 January 2009 (UTC)
Guys, this is wikipedia. We need to defer to what the 15 year old moderator thinks is best. Logic doesn't play a part in the decision. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.102.195.29 ( talk) 17:54, 20 November 2010 (UTC)
As far as I can tell, this game is known as "draughts" only in the UK and a few Commonwealth countries including Australia and New Zealand; it is known as "checkers" in the USA, Canada and many other countries. It seems to be a bit of a stretch to claim that "English draughts" is the "International English" name for the game. Who decided upon this? Although I understand the concept of "International English," the referenced Wikipedia article gives no practical guidance as to what body, if any, has standardized the vocabulary of this putative language. I thus propose that it is much more reasonable for "International English" to be replaced with "British English" on the model of "American English" and "Canadian English" in the same sentence. I have made this edit for this reason. AlanSiegrist ( talk) 08:37, 27 January 2012 (UTC)
This sentence makes no sense to me: "Most commonly, the board alternates between red and black opponent are captured by jumping over them." Can anybody detect what the subject and predicate are?
Under "four common misconceptions" it says that Kings act the same as other pieces but can move forwards and backwards. This means either that (1) this is not true, and there is something else unusual about a King, or (2) this is true, but many players grant additional abnormalities to the King. Either way, please rephrase this point so there is no confusion, and if there is an additional pointer about what Kings can do, please point it out. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Kilyle ( talk • contribs) 16:27, 3 January 2009 (UTC)
Should we add a history section? It would seem appropriate. Lord Seth ( talk) 23:57, 16 April 2009 (UTC)
An uncrowned piece can only jump diagonally forwards, but a king can also jump diagonally backwards but only one space. What does it mean by a king can only jump only one space? A jump must be two diagonal spaces each time.-- Mikespedia ( talk) 05:55, 21 October 2009 (UTC)
The section paragraph on "huffing" notes "In this variation jumping is not mandatory". This implies that jumping is mandatory in the normal rules, but this is not mentioned in the rules. My understanding of the rules is that a player must make a jump move if any jump moves are possible on their turn (but they can choose which jump move to make). The closest I can see to this is "When multiple-option jumping moves are available, whether with the one piece in different directions or multiple pieces that can make various jumping moves, the player may choose which piece to jump with and which jumping option or sequence of jumps to make." but this seems to leave open the possibility of a player not making a jump move at all. Could someone with a proper understanding of the rules either amend the page to make it clearer, or correct me here. BruceMcAdam ( talk) 12:35, 17 November 2009 (UTC)
There's indeed a contradiction in the article. A win is when opponent has "no legal moves", a draw is when an opponent is "unable to move". Is there a difference? See also the English Draughts Association | Rules, there are more specific conditions for a draw. Gil_mo ( talk) 19:45, 15 October 2010 (UTC)
I don't mean to be picky, but I know the game as "checkers," a name not given in the opening list of names. 211.225.30.91 ( talk) 06:26, 18 June 2011 (UTC)
interesting side note : http://web.archive.org/web/20040310101421/http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draughts <-earliest checkers/draughts article on wikipedia. 184.17.202.167 ( talk) 22:55, 20 March 2012 (UTC)
I was researching the mandatory jumping rule and have come to inconclusive results. Base on my research mandatory jumping can be enforced but is not "standard". Ehow's checkers rules do not suggest that jumping is forced. However [3] suggests that it is. I went to Optime software's checkers rules and by default forced jumping is disabled. Optime Software is a major app making software developer and has repeatedly made top ten apps which leads me to believe that standard rules do not enforce jumping. This there a link for "official tournament" rules? Valoem talk 18:53, 25 July 2012 (UTC)
Ihardlythinkso ( talk) 20:23, 25 July 2012 (UTC)All capturing moves are compulsory, whether offered actively or passively. If there are two or more ways to jump, a player may select any one that they wish, not necessarily that which gains the most pieces. Once started, a multiple jump must be carried through to completion. A man can only be jumped once during a multiple jumping sequence.
If a piece becomes a king from jumping the opponents pieces then it has an available backwards jump after it becomes a king, is it supposed to continue jumping after it becomes a king in the same turn? Blackbombchu ( talk) 02:50, 4 December 2013 (UTC)
Draughts? If not, how is it different? If so, should they be combined and one redirected to the other?
Seems ... redundant?
50.53.112.10 ( talk) 23:43, 12 March 2021 (UTC)
The section on 'Notation' uses the term 'double-corner', but as far as I can see this is the only use of the term in the article, and it's meaning is not explained. I noticed this because I saw the term 'double corner' somewhere else, also unexplained, and Googled it to find out what it means. It is presumably one of those things which 'everyone knows' but no-one ever bothers to explain, which appear to be common in articles about games. 2A00:23C8:7907:4B01:6434:5525:133D:1514 ( talk) 17:42, 1 February 2023 (UTC)