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I, personally, wouldn't call Joe Thornton or Derian Hatcher enforcers. Joe is more of a powerforward and Derian is more of a big tough d-man. Just my thoughts. Masterhatch 26 July 2005
Joe Thornton an enforcer? Laughable.
Matthew Barnaby? His rise to the NHL is a cinderella story for sure but an Enforcer he is not! And niether is Jordan Tootoo. Chris66 22 June 2006
If people want a complete list of enforcers, that could be an article unto itself. This article should just have a small handful to illustrate the concept. I'll wait a bit, then make the change. Croctotheface 14:32, 4 October 2006 (UTC)
Would there be tremendous opposition to paring the list down to maybe five or six names? There's already a category that functions as a list. My issue is that there really isn't any grounds for excluding any name with the list there is now. However, an extremely long list of names isn't really all that useful for an encyclopedia article, and there's no need to have two lists of enforcers--one on the page and also the category. Croctotheface 00:26, 30 January 2007 (UTC)
I agree - there's no reason to have both a link to the category in the See also, and a list on the page, particularly when the two don't match. 64.81.240.233 00:23, 15 February 2007 (UTC)
Tony Twist NEEDS to be on this list. From his Wikipedia page: "Despite a relatively short career, Tony Twist was arguably one of the best enforcers of his generation. He spent most of his time with the Blues as the protector of Brett Hull. That his yearly accumulated penalty minutes were never as high as most of the other noted NHL pugilists attests to the fact that many of them respected his prowess and were wary of going toe to toe with him. At the end of his career "The Twister" joked that his job could have been done by a cardboard cutout of him on the end of the bench because his reputation was so scary to opposing teams." [`.Thirty Thr33] (Talk) 00:42, 28 March 2007 (UTC)
Kid, that was all a mistake, don't stalk me over the internet please. I could hate Tony Twist and still think he needs to be on here. I'm not a fan of Tiger Williams because of his infamous cheap shot, but he should be on here. Nor do I like Marty McSorley, but not gonna argue if he should be here or not, because he should. You obviously have a personal vendetta with either me or Tony Twist, and are just making things difficult, all of your edits are anti-Tony Twist, sounds like some Pesonal POVto me, and this whole topic should be NPOV. Just because I happen to like the guy doesn't make him any less of an enforcer, for christs sake. [`.Thirty Thr33] (Talk) 04:22, 31 March 2007 (UTC)
JimSchoenfeld, no mention of him being an enforcer on his page, just a disgrace to the NHL officials. Tim Hunter was able to score goals, so isn't your stereotypical enforcer. Lets face it, the old NHL was full of enforcers, theres no need to limit the page to a small number, there should be a whole page with just a list of them. BUT, if you're going to list people who fit the enforcer role to a t, Tony Twist is a PRIME EXAMPLE. Couldn't score. Couldn't get an assist, could only fight and hit and be feared. [`.Thirty Thr33] (Talk) 04:27, 31 March 2007 (UTC)
I was blocked because idiots like you can't handle the truth. Just because you don't like him, doesn't mean hes not an enforcer. I only like Twist and Domi on that list, but am not about to edit it over and over like you just because I don't argee with ONE NAME. I personally think D.J. King is the best fighter in the league right now, but am not gonna put it up there. [`.Thirty Thr33] (Talk) 04:35, 31 March 2007 (UTC)
"Kiddy" Insults, calling a name there. "Reverted FanBoy Edits", theres another name. Please don't be hypocritical. I never said Tim Hunter wasn't an "elite" enforcer, I said he wasn't your stereotypical enforcer because he could score goals. Please learn to comprehend common everyday english. Remove Tony Twist again, just because you're a biased person who doesn't like real hockey enforcers, and likes the old ones. This is about current ones. If you're a new fan to hockey, you would like to know the current or enforcers from a couple years ago, not players that didn't even wear helmets. [`.Thirty Thr33] (Talk) 05:14, 31 March 2007 (UTC)
Listing any enforcer on the page without citing a reliable source leaves the information open for removal and/or tagging with {{ Fact}} or original opinion? tags. Obviously anyone who was labeled a goon could be added as long as someone "thinks" they fit the criteria. I think we need to show examples that have been reported by a reliable source which is what Wikipedia calls for. According the this 2005 ESPN article [ [6]] the top enforcers include Tie Domi, Dave Semenko, Bob Probert, Dave Schultz and Tiger Williams from the list currently on the page. They also list Tim Hunter and Terry O'Reilly from the argument above. Tony Twist does not appear, or does Jim Schoenfeld, Rob Ray or Chris Nilan. MSNBC has Georges Laraque tagged as a top enforcer. [7]. We should stick to those who have overwhelming evidence supporting their inclusion or otherwise everyone from Stu Grimson, Joey Kocur, and Rudy Poeschek, to Todd Fedoruk, Andrew Pters and Derek Boogard will be in this article, and this talk page will end up looking pretty ugly. Quarte t 05:17, 31 March 2007 (UTC)
Please explain why Laraque is on there then, and nobody has any problem with it? [`.Thirty Thr33] (Talk) 05:23, 31 March 2007 (UTC)
So a headline that says "Veteran to provide scoring depth; Laraque one of NHL's top enforcers" that was written when the enforcer role was basically done for the time being includes him as one of the best enforcers of all time? I see. I thought wikipedia was for factual information. My mistake. [`.Thirty Thr33] (Talk) 05:29, 31 March 2007 (UTC)
Laraque has about as many PIM's as a girl scout, but ok. [`.Thirty Thr33] (Talk) 05:47, 31 March 2007 (UTC)
Seeing how the user above has been indef blocked, are there any other (perhaps more informed) opinions on this? Quarte t 02:49, 2 April 2007 (UTC)
I've pulled the list until consensus is reached on this. Quarte t 15:41, 8 April 2007 (UTC)
I think everyone would agree on something like this ==
For a list of enforcers, please see Category:Enforcers.
75.40.63.139 16:30, 8 April 2007 (UTC)
I'm not sure if everyone would agree on this, but I think it's OK. It's a little bit sloppy/makeshift, but I agree that most people won't think to click the category link unless we tell them it's there. This seems as good a way as any to do that. Croctotheface 08:20, 11 April 2007 (UTC)
"Best Hockey Fighters For The Buck" http://www.forbes.com/2008/10/29/best-hockey-fighters-biz-sports-nhl08_cz_ps_1029fight.html
We never use the generic term hockey for any articles needing disambiguation because the word is ambiguous and in many parts of the world simply means field hockey. Thus if we used it on this page it would lead to the assumption that we were talking about enforcers in field hockey for people in parts of the world that use hockey to mean field hockey. Thus the convention was created to always use ice hockey for any articles relating to ice hockey and to use field hockey for any articles relating to field hockey even if there are no corresponding articles of the same name for both sports. This is especially noticed for players of the sports where they are always listed with ice hockey even though there is no article for any other player with that name playing field hockey or some other form of hockey. - DJSasso ( talk) 14:24, 7 March 2012 (UTC)
See this article [8]. -- JOJ Hutton 02:35, 26 May 2012 (UTC)
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I, personally, wouldn't call Joe Thornton or Derian Hatcher enforcers. Joe is more of a powerforward and Derian is more of a big tough d-man. Just my thoughts. Masterhatch 26 July 2005
Joe Thornton an enforcer? Laughable.
Matthew Barnaby? His rise to the NHL is a cinderella story for sure but an Enforcer he is not! And niether is Jordan Tootoo. Chris66 22 June 2006
If people want a complete list of enforcers, that could be an article unto itself. This article should just have a small handful to illustrate the concept. I'll wait a bit, then make the change. Croctotheface 14:32, 4 October 2006 (UTC)
Would there be tremendous opposition to paring the list down to maybe five or six names? There's already a category that functions as a list. My issue is that there really isn't any grounds for excluding any name with the list there is now. However, an extremely long list of names isn't really all that useful for an encyclopedia article, and there's no need to have two lists of enforcers--one on the page and also the category. Croctotheface 00:26, 30 January 2007 (UTC)
I agree - there's no reason to have both a link to the category in the See also, and a list on the page, particularly when the two don't match. 64.81.240.233 00:23, 15 February 2007 (UTC)
Tony Twist NEEDS to be on this list. From his Wikipedia page: "Despite a relatively short career, Tony Twist was arguably one of the best enforcers of his generation. He spent most of his time with the Blues as the protector of Brett Hull. That his yearly accumulated penalty minutes were never as high as most of the other noted NHL pugilists attests to the fact that many of them respected his prowess and were wary of going toe to toe with him. At the end of his career "The Twister" joked that his job could have been done by a cardboard cutout of him on the end of the bench because his reputation was so scary to opposing teams." [`.Thirty Thr33] (Talk) 00:42, 28 March 2007 (UTC)
Kid, that was all a mistake, don't stalk me over the internet please. I could hate Tony Twist and still think he needs to be on here. I'm not a fan of Tiger Williams because of his infamous cheap shot, but he should be on here. Nor do I like Marty McSorley, but not gonna argue if he should be here or not, because he should. You obviously have a personal vendetta with either me or Tony Twist, and are just making things difficult, all of your edits are anti-Tony Twist, sounds like some Pesonal POVto me, and this whole topic should be NPOV. Just because I happen to like the guy doesn't make him any less of an enforcer, for christs sake. [`.Thirty Thr33] (Talk) 04:22, 31 March 2007 (UTC)
JimSchoenfeld, no mention of him being an enforcer on his page, just a disgrace to the NHL officials. Tim Hunter was able to score goals, so isn't your stereotypical enforcer. Lets face it, the old NHL was full of enforcers, theres no need to limit the page to a small number, there should be a whole page with just a list of them. BUT, if you're going to list people who fit the enforcer role to a t, Tony Twist is a PRIME EXAMPLE. Couldn't score. Couldn't get an assist, could only fight and hit and be feared. [`.Thirty Thr33] (Talk) 04:27, 31 March 2007 (UTC)
I was blocked because idiots like you can't handle the truth. Just because you don't like him, doesn't mean hes not an enforcer. I only like Twist and Domi on that list, but am not about to edit it over and over like you just because I don't argee with ONE NAME. I personally think D.J. King is the best fighter in the league right now, but am not gonna put it up there. [`.Thirty Thr33] (Talk) 04:35, 31 March 2007 (UTC)
"Kiddy" Insults, calling a name there. "Reverted FanBoy Edits", theres another name. Please don't be hypocritical. I never said Tim Hunter wasn't an "elite" enforcer, I said he wasn't your stereotypical enforcer because he could score goals. Please learn to comprehend common everyday english. Remove Tony Twist again, just because you're a biased person who doesn't like real hockey enforcers, and likes the old ones. This is about current ones. If you're a new fan to hockey, you would like to know the current or enforcers from a couple years ago, not players that didn't even wear helmets. [`.Thirty Thr33] (Talk) 05:14, 31 March 2007 (UTC)
Listing any enforcer on the page without citing a reliable source leaves the information open for removal and/or tagging with {{ Fact}} or original opinion? tags. Obviously anyone who was labeled a goon could be added as long as someone "thinks" they fit the criteria. I think we need to show examples that have been reported by a reliable source which is what Wikipedia calls for. According the this 2005 ESPN article [ [6]] the top enforcers include Tie Domi, Dave Semenko, Bob Probert, Dave Schultz and Tiger Williams from the list currently on the page. They also list Tim Hunter and Terry O'Reilly from the argument above. Tony Twist does not appear, or does Jim Schoenfeld, Rob Ray or Chris Nilan. MSNBC has Georges Laraque tagged as a top enforcer. [7]. We should stick to those who have overwhelming evidence supporting their inclusion or otherwise everyone from Stu Grimson, Joey Kocur, and Rudy Poeschek, to Todd Fedoruk, Andrew Pters and Derek Boogard will be in this article, and this talk page will end up looking pretty ugly. Quarte t 05:17, 31 March 2007 (UTC)
Please explain why Laraque is on there then, and nobody has any problem with it? [`.Thirty Thr33] (Talk) 05:23, 31 March 2007 (UTC)
So a headline that says "Veteran to provide scoring depth; Laraque one of NHL's top enforcers" that was written when the enforcer role was basically done for the time being includes him as one of the best enforcers of all time? I see. I thought wikipedia was for factual information. My mistake. [`.Thirty Thr33] (Talk) 05:29, 31 March 2007 (UTC)
Laraque has about as many PIM's as a girl scout, but ok. [`.Thirty Thr33] (Talk) 05:47, 31 March 2007 (UTC)
Seeing how the user above has been indef blocked, are there any other (perhaps more informed) opinions on this? Quarte t 02:49, 2 April 2007 (UTC)
I've pulled the list until consensus is reached on this. Quarte t 15:41, 8 April 2007 (UTC)
I think everyone would agree on something like this ==
For a list of enforcers, please see Category:Enforcers.
75.40.63.139 16:30, 8 April 2007 (UTC)
I'm not sure if everyone would agree on this, but I think it's OK. It's a little bit sloppy/makeshift, but I agree that most people won't think to click the category link unless we tell them it's there. This seems as good a way as any to do that. Croctotheface 08:20, 11 April 2007 (UTC)
"Best Hockey Fighters For The Buck" http://www.forbes.com/2008/10/29/best-hockey-fighters-biz-sports-nhl08_cz_ps_1029fight.html
We never use the generic term hockey for any articles needing disambiguation because the word is ambiguous and in many parts of the world simply means field hockey. Thus if we used it on this page it would lead to the assumption that we were talking about enforcers in field hockey for people in parts of the world that use hockey to mean field hockey. Thus the convention was created to always use ice hockey for any articles relating to ice hockey and to use field hockey for any articles relating to field hockey even if there are no corresponding articles of the same name for both sports. This is especially noticed for players of the sports where they are always listed with ice hockey even though there is no article for any other player with that name playing field hockey or some other form of hockey. - DJSasso ( talk) 14:24, 7 March 2012 (UTC)
See this article [8]. -- JOJ Hutton 02:35, 26 May 2012 (UTC)
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