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Is this taught anywhere? Ecology classes? — Omegatron 03:44, 11 January 2006 (UTC)
If I am not mistaken, Buckminster Fuller speaks about energetics a fair amount. He is certainly not speaking about the 19th century usage of the term, but instead trying to address something that has a wider scope than simply thermodynamics. My understanding of his usage is perhaps best described as anthropocentric or technological thermodynamics, or thermodynamics on the human scale rather than quantum or cosmological scales. 155.106.252.4 ( talk) 20:42, 23 June 2008 (UTC)
I added the NPOV tag because significant modern criticisms of this entire field are not reported in the article. See Talk:Emergy#Neutrality. Flying Jazz ( talk) 16:56, 17 November 2007 (UTC)
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I find this article very confusing. The intro starts out by labeling energetics a pseudoscience, but never clearly defends this statement, and then goes on to say that it encompasses several clearly non-pseudoscientific disciplines such as chemistry, and that it can even be synonymous with thermodynamics. This article does not clearly define what energetics actually is, perhaps because there is no accepted definition and it is not a true field of study. Any thoughts? If anyone out there can clearly define energetics, you should take a crack at re-writing the lead. MYCETEAE - talk 05:30, 4 March 2011 (UTC)
Perhaps the question I'm about to raise is better suited to the "fundamental law" wiki page, however since a phrase appears here, and in unique form, I feel it's acceptable to address the issue.
My concern is the phrase "Like in all science, whether or not a theorem or principle is considered a fundamental law appears to depend on how many people agree to such a proposition." ( in the "Aims" section). Not only does this include weasel words, in this case "appears", but it misses the actual difference between a theory and a law in science. First the weasel words. In science we use peer review, so whether or not something is accepted never "appears" to depend on the consensus, it DOES depend on the review and consensus of peers. Second, a law has the same validity, carries the same scientific & social importance/weight as a theory. The true distinction lies in that laws are theories which are modeled mathematically. Note that the "sufficiency" implied in the original quoted statement can apply to either a law, or a theory, and as such, is not the distinguishing factor in their distinction. I agree with previous Talk comments that think this article needs to be completely rewritten, and hope this particular little sentence gets proper treatment. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Joeyjoseph ( talk • contribs) 16:50, 31 March 2011 (UTC)
The important word in the quote is not "law"; it's "fundamental". When does a scientific theory stop being considered ad hoc, empirical, approximate, etc. and get accepted as fundamental? It does not have anything to do with how many people support it. It's about how much reliable evidence the supporters discover.
Of course, pseudoscience has different criteria, and this article does seem to be talking about a pseudoscience, despite that word having been removed.
166.137.101.155 ( talk) 10:46, 28 January 2014 (UTC) Collin237
Energy is not a scalar. It's the time component of a vector, and momentum is the space component. The conservation laws of energy and momentum are part of the same law. This is very basic relativity, and has been known for over a hundred years. In all that time, has nobody notable criticized Villamil's putative distinction between them?
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Is this taught anywhere? Ecology classes? — Omegatron 03:44, 11 January 2006 (UTC)
If I am not mistaken, Buckminster Fuller speaks about energetics a fair amount. He is certainly not speaking about the 19th century usage of the term, but instead trying to address something that has a wider scope than simply thermodynamics. My understanding of his usage is perhaps best described as anthropocentric or technological thermodynamics, or thermodynamics on the human scale rather than quantum or cosmological scales. 155.106.252.4 ( talk) 20:42, 23 June 2008 (UTC)
I added the NPOV tag because significant modern criticisms of this entire field are not reported in the article. See Talk:Emergy#Neutrality. Flying Jazz ( talk) 16:56, 17 November 2007 (UTC)
The image File:Howard T Odum.jpg is used in this article under a claim of fair use, but it does not have an adequate explanation for why it meets the requirements for such images when used here. In particular, for each page the image is used on, it must have an explanation linking to that page which explains why it needs to be used on that page. Please check
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I find this article very confusing. The intro starts out by labeling energetics a pseudoscience, but never clearly defends this statement, and then goes on to say that it encompasses several clearly non-pseudoscientific disciplines such as chemistry, and that it can even be synonymous with thermodynamics. This article does not clearly define what energetics actually is, perhaps because there is no accepted definition and it is not a true field of study. Any thoughts? If anyone out there can clearly define energetics, you should take a crack at re-writing the lead. MYCETEAE - talk 05:30, 4 March 2011 (UTC)
Perhaps the question I'm about to raise is better suited to the "fundamental law" wiki page, however since a phrase appears here, and in unique form, I feel it's acceptable to address the issue.
My concern is the phrase "Like in all science, whether or not a theorem or principle is considered a fundamental law appears to depend on how many people agree to such a proposition." ( in the "Aims" section). Not only does this include weasel words, in this case "appears", but it misses the actual difference between a theory and a law in science. First the weasel words. In science we use peer review, so whether or not something is accepted never "appears" to depend on the consensus, it DOES depend on the review and consensus of peers. Second, a law has the same validity, carries the same scientific & social importance/weight as a theory. The true distinction lies in that laws are theories which are modeled mathematically. Note that the "sufficiency" implied in the original quoted statement can apply to either a law, or a theory, and as such, is not the distinguishing factor in their distinction. I agree with previous Talk comments that think this article needs to be completely rewritten, and hope this particular little sentence gets proper treatment. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Joeyjoseph ( talk • contribs) 16:50, 31 March 2011 (UTC)
The important word in the quote is not "law"; it's "fundamental". When does a scientific theory stop being considered ad hoc, empirical, approximate, etc. and get accepted as fundamental? It does not have anything to do with how many people support it. It's about how much reliable evidence the supporters discover.
Of course, pseudoscience has different criteria, and this article does seem to be talking about a pseudoscience, despite that word having been removed.
166.137.101.155 ( talk) 10:46, 28 January 2014 (UTC) Collin237
Energy is not a scalar. It's the time component of a vector, and momentum is the space component. The conservation laws of energy and momentum are part of the same law. This is very basic relativity, and has been known for over a hundred years. In all that time, has nobody notable criticized Villamil's putative distinction between them?
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