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Comment: We should generally be following
MOS:CT. The "official" capitalization that the author (or translator) & publisher uses (presumably copied by any retailer) is not what matters. Do all reliable sources capitalize the 'A'? —
BarrelProof (
talk)
04:23, 16 September 2013 (UTC)reply
Comment:
MOS:CT was, indeed, an issue at Talk:Star Trek Into Darkness, where the guideline would have lowercased "into" despite every source including the filmmakers themselves capitalizing it. The feeling there was that having Wikipedia be the only place spelling it differently wouldn't be encyclopedic — that we'd be elevating our own rule over both the real-world norm and the creator's own work and intentions in an unambiguous case. --
Tenebrae (
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14:24, 16 September 2013 (UTC)reply
No, MOS:CT supports this interpretation. "For titles with subtitles or parenthetical phrases, capitalize as if they were separate titles (e.g. "(Don't Fear) The Reaper")." --
BDD (
talk)
23:05, 24 September 2013 (UTC)reply
Support per MOS:CT, though I suspect this would have gone much quicker if the proposed title didn't just look wrong. Like with Star Trek, why couldn't the author just set off a subtitle with a colon like any civilized person? For this reason, I'd actually prefer Enemies: A Love Story. Is it
WP:OR on our part to use a colon? No, I don't think so. This is a general English-language convention, akin to setting off short works in quotation marks and long works in italics. I also support the move as proposed, however. --
BDD (
talk)
23:05, 24 September 2013 (UTC)reply
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.
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This article is within the scope of WikiProject Novels, an attempt to build a comprehensive and detailed guide to
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novellas,
novelettes and
short stories on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the project and contribute to the general Project discussion to talk over new ideas and suggestions.NovelsWikipedia:WikiProject NovelsTemplate:WikiProject Novelsnovel articles
The following discussion is an archived discussion of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.
Comment: We should generally be following
MOS:CT. The "official" capitalization that the author (or translator) & publisher uses (presumably copied by any retailer) is not what matters. Do all reliable sources capitalize the 'A'? —
BarrelProof (
talk)
04:23, 16 September 2013 (UTC)reply
Comment:
MOS:CT was, indeed, an issue at Talk:Star Trek Into Darkness, where the guideline would have lowercased "into" despite every source including the filmmakers themselves capitalizing it. The feeling there was that having Wikipedia be the only place spelling it differently wouldn't be encyclopedic — that we'd be elevating our own rule over both the real-world norm and the creator's own work and intentions in an unambiguous case. --
Tenebrae (
talk)
14:24, 16 September 2013 (UTC)reply
No, MOS:CT supports this interpretation. "For titles with subtitles or parenthetical phrases, capitalize as if they were separate titles (e.g. "(Don't Fear) The Reaper")." --
BDD (
talk)
23:05, 24 September 2013 (UTC)reply
Support per MOS:CT, though I suspect this would have gone much quicker if the proposed title didn't just look wrong. Like with Star Trek, why couldn't the author just set off a subtitle with a colon like any civilized person? For this reason, I'd actually prefer Enemies: A Love Story. Is it
WP:OR on our part to use a colon? No, I don't think so. This is a general English-language convention, akin to setting off short works in quotation marks and long works in italics. I also support the move as proposed, however. --
BDD (
talk)
23:05, 24 September 2013 (UTC)reply
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.