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I am putting this back up because I find the topic of interest and would like other editors to help me out. Last time this was up someone contributed some more recently discovered photos. I don't see those here and hope they can be put up again. -- Dan 21:18, 1 October 2006 (UTC)
See the newspaper. http://english.chosun.com/w21data/html/news/200501/200501130035.html
It's really difficult to determine what is genuine or fake. I can't and shouldn't make a statement about such matters. I came across File:Empress Myeongseong3.jpg also from a Japanese book 《朝鮮風俗風景写真帖》 though it was published in 1911 (明治44年). I thought the woman looked similar to the "court lady" photo but there might be a problem with both. In the KBS news clip, an expert on photography had guessed the "court lady" photo to have been taken around 1910 or 1920. This new photo was in the 1911 issue of the Japanese photobook. Both dates are at least a decade after Queen Min's death. If they are not the same person, then this new photo should have used a caption "明成皇后陛下" (Her majesty empress Myeongseong) and not "李王妃殿下" (Her highness Princess Yi). OK, Dan just mentioned this new photo looks like Queen Yun. I got the photo from this blog page which put this picture as Queen Min. — Nrtm81 20:00, 13 July 2006 (UTC)
There's certainly variety in their appearances, isn't there? I think the original source for the photos you saw on the blog, Nrtm81, is probably here [1]. I saw the news account - I wonder what made the expert think the photo dates from 1910 or later? This is a fun puzzle, I must admit. Maybe we should put up some photos of modern Min women who are descendants of Queen Min's father. My mother-in-law, who was such a person, claimed that Queen Min was "moot sengyesa" (unattractive). Since my mother-in-law wasn't born until 1914, I don't know how she knew this, but there it is ;-) -- Dan 20:09, 13 July 2006 (UTC)
I've already asked Nrtm81, but anyone else who's reading this, see if you can interpret the date on
, most likely using the Japanese calendar but no guarantee. It's in the lower left corner and clipped off a bit. --
Dan
21:11, 13 July 2006 (UTC)
And finally, user Appleby, I think, posted a link to this article (Korean language)
[2]
which has recently discovered German photos that could very well be Queen Min. See what you think, and be sure to look at the photo where they compare Sunjong as a child to the photo that could be Queen Min, his mother. --
Dan
17:49, 2 October 2006 (UTC)
-- Lulusuke 04:20, 6 October 2006 (UTC)
-- Lulusuke 18:45, 6 October 2006 (UTC)
Here are photos of both Lady Om (mother of Yi Kang) and Kwi-in Yang, mother of Princess Dokhye, Kojong's last child.
. To me, that photo of Lady Om does not look like either the usual photo supposed to be Queen Min,
, nor the more recent photo, at
[3]. Here's a detail from that photo comparing the woman labelled as Queen Min with Sunjong:
. That woman looks nothing like Lady Om. --
Dan
16:36, 11 October 2006 (UTC)
Look at the captions written in Japanese. These photos are well-known to competent historians. But I don't upload these, since I cannot confirm a photographer and shooting date, respectively.
![]() 純貞孝皇后 尹氏: One of King Sunjong's(純宗) wives |
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世界風俗写真帖 第1集(Sekaifuzoku Syashin-cho No.1,) Syogoro Tsuboi and Raisuke Numata 1901. National Digital Library Ref. YDM2735. |
-- Lulusuke 01:53, 4 October 2006 (UTC) -- Lulusuke 02:16, 4 October 2006 (UTC) -- Lulusuke 08:10, 6 October 2006 (UTC)
:-).-- Lulusuke 01:57, 6 October 2006 (UTC)
Okay, let me look at the photos...
Guys, I visited a website where originally I was gonna get some pics of kisaeng women, then when I got to the part of sketches made by some french guys, I made a (startling?) discovery. There are some pics there that resemble Min's alleged photo. Here are the links:
http://www.women.or.kr/herstory/WomenArt/frillust/image/illust11.jpg - a colored sketch of a court lady who is in the sitting position similar to her alleged photo http://www.women.or.kr/herstory/WomenArt/frillust/image/illust10.jpg - very similar sketch to her alleged photo http://www.women.or.kr/herstory/WomenArt/frillust/image/illust12.jpg - does this portray Min's assassination??? Heran et Sang'gres 09:41, 18 October 2007 (UTC)
Guys, here's a pic about the Eulmi Incident... http://www.newworldencyclopedia.org/entry/Image:Queen_Min_Eulmi_Incident.jpg Can anyone analyze? Thanks... Heran et Sang'gres ( talk) 07:50, 20 January 2008 (UTC)
After all the current drama, I was a little reluctant to edit this article again however it needed it.
I have made an edit based mainly, but not entirely on grammar issues.
If anyone has a problem with the text ie. use of Queen Min instead of Empress Myeongseong, or any other choice of word that could be considered POV, leading, undue weight etc - then please edit that section instead of just reverting it - if you change minor wording, I will consider the change - I don't really care if you wish to use Empress Myeongseong instead of Queen Min, as both as currently in use in the article, however if you just revert and go back to the previous section, I will consider this to be disruptive and I will undo your revert as it will go back to the state that had major English grammar issues. カンチョーSennen Goroshi ! ( talk) 06:01, 1 January 2009 (UTC)
Is it possible to display in to the article her royal seal? I saw a pic in flickr displaying her royal seal, which had the first 4 characters "Empress Myeongseong"... Heran et Sang'gres ( talk) 12:13, 28 October 2009 (UTC)
"Efforts to remove her from the political arena, orchestrated through failed rebellions prompted by the father of King Gojong, Heungseon Daewongun"
How can this be right ? How can the King's father be regent ? Would he not be the king ? Usually a regent is the King's uncle of some kind. 122.106.255.204 ( talk) 05:46, 15 November 2009 (UTC)
The article points out on several occasions, that she did not have the title of Queen for years after her marriage, but it does not say when she received the title. I know that it is not the same thing as in Europe, when a woman automatically becomes queen when she marries a king. So, when during the marriage was she given the title? In the 1880s? -- 85.226.41.65 ( talk) 22:19, 7 May 2010 (UTC)
Hi. Nice question. Actually, at that time, when a Korean lady (15-16 years old) marries a King of Joseon, she automatically becomes his Queen Consort through a ceremony called "chaekbi" (冊妃 책비). So, summary, Myeongseong became Gojong's "Queen Consort" (mind the actual title, since "Queen" can also be mistakenly & confusingly mean "Queen Regnant", as with Elzabeth II) when she got married. I hope this satisfies you... Heran et Sang'gres ( talk) 08:13, 5 July 2010 (UTC)
The assassination of the Korean Empress ignited diplomatic protest abroad. To appease growing international criticism.
I think that this description is self-conceit. Other countries were not interested in Korea. 61.199.1.102 ( talk) 19:34, 19 May 2011 (UTC)
Hi everybody. Would anyone object to changing the subtitle "Eulmi Incident" to "Assassination"? Reason: a reader who looks at the table of contents wouldn't know that the Queen/Empress was assassinated or that there is a section about her death. The retitled section would start like this: "The assassination of Empress Myeongseong, which in Korea is known as the Eulmi Incident (을미사변, 乙未事變), occurred in the early hours of 8 October 1895..." Comments? Madalibi ( talk) 07:18, 9 October 2011 (UTC)
The article was assessed C-class, for insufficient number of in-line citations. Boneyard90 ( talk) 16:33, 18 February 2012 (UTC)
MURDER OF THE COREAN QUEEN. (From The Times.) Our Tokio correspondent, writing on October 18, says... - added 22 August 2012 by User:Eregli bob - but no add date or User listing or IP listing was on this addition. Strange. Anyway, I have slimmed this down as we cannot copy/paster verbatim huge chunks of copyrighted text. Next time add a referring link, please. HammerFilmFan ( talk) 14:35, 10 June 2014 (UTC)
Korean news reported today that she was not assassinated, but survived the attempt. Has anyone seen anything on that? 71.171.103.178 ( talk) 01:24, 1 July 2013 (UTC)
Ignored in the incident is the role of Hoonryeondae Regiment, a 1000 men strong Korean Army unit, trained by the Japanese, but officered by Koreans in the incident. It was this Regiment that had surrounded the Palace without incurring suspicion, opening the gate, and allowing the Ronin to enter and assassinate. Lieutenant Colonel U Beomseon, one of the three Battalion Commanders participated in the burning of the empress' body, and soon escaped to Japan along with other commanders of the unit. King Gojong soon sent assassins to Japan, where Lieutenant Colonel U, who by then had married a Japanese woman and sired a son, was tracked down and assassinated. This significant event is ignored by Koreans as it shows how much of a role Koreans had in the assassination of their own Empress. I added this little bit in the body, fully expecting some Korean nationalist to start an edit war... Let it begin! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.33.238.132 ( talk) 08:22, 1 May 2014 (UTC)
In the desinfobox, Myeongseong is depicted as "Regent". Of her husband ? And this surprising assertion is sustained by nothing, not even by a mention in the body of the article. Like ever, desinfoboxes are the worst part of any article. Pldx1 ( talk) 11:33, 25 September 2015 (UTC)
A new section was added in the article for possible photos of Empress Min, however, no picture is actually posted. It would be better if people actually posted the possible photographs described.
Also, I would suggest paying no attention to Lulusuke if he trolls this topic. I speak Chinese and learned Japanese in college, now I read Chinese and Japanese texts on a regular basis. I can say for certain that he is nowhere as fluent in the languages as he claims. The fact that he makes glaring oversights translating the caption beneath one of the photographs brought up in the last thread should clearly demonstrate his level of skill. He also cites an inaccurately labelled website as his primary source and is fanatical that only one proposed photograph could be Queen Min. I think he should be ignored and the other proposed photographs added. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.177.168.185 ( talk) 10:13, 28 November 2015 (UTC)
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Hi, I propose that we split off the Assassination section into a separate article.
For size, the current article is pretty long (as indicated by template on page as of 10 July 2023). As per XTools, the number of bytes of readable prose in the article is 55,665. It fits in the "May need to be divided" category of WP:SIZESPLIT.
But I have more arguments beyond size:
Thanks! First time doing a split proposal like this, lmk if I did something wrong toobigtokale ( talk) 23:41, 10 July 2023 (UTC)
Hi, I did some research and I think the article should be named "Queen Min" instead of "Empress Myeongseong".
Reasoning:
See WP:TITLE. The most WP:COMMONNAME in reliable English publications is "Queen Min" on Google Ngram, Google Books (12,100 vs 489), and Google Scholar (1,420 vs 242). It also matches the common title formats for other Joseon queens.
I'll go ahead and make the change, but please respond if disagree. toobigtokale ( talk) 06:13, 12 July 2023 (UTC)
Volgogradpart of WP:CONSUB I think there's a reasonably strong argument to use "Queen Min" for that article. But there's some wiggle room.
Our article on the Korean Empire implies it was established in 1897, and this person seems to have died before that. This leads me to suspect most English-language reliable sources probably call her "Queen Min" (Donald Keene's Emperor of Japan: Meiji and His World, 1852–1912 definitely does). Is there any reason we don't? Hijiri 88 ( 聖 やや) 08:42, 11 November 2020 (UTC)
Afaik there's hot debate on whether an image of her exists; even the kowiki refrains from having an image. I'm not an expert on the topic though. Does anyone know if we should have the image? toobigtokale ( talk) 19:20, 27 August 2023 (UTC)
I removed the following words from the Aftermath section ie after the queen's assassination. "Gojong, a man who had always been used by others and never used his own voice for his own causes, was noted by scholars as having said, "I would rather slit my wrists and let them bleed than disgrace the woman who saved this kingdom." There is a need for two references, one for the King's previous attitude on non-interference; one for the words themselves. If anyone can reference these, that part of the removed words can be reinstated/ adapted. I hesitate to remove material but this really does need referencing, not least because the words may come from one of the many subsequent dramatic representations of the events in question. I am trying to reduce the narrative to referenced factual content and would welcome back the quote if it can be traced properly. — Preceding unsigned comment added by PineappleDolly ( talk • contribs) 12:29, 16 September 2023 (UTC)
Item: The special treatment of the new training unit caused resentment among the other troops. In September 1881, a plot was uncovered to overthrow the queen consort's faction, depose the King, and place Heungseon Daewongun's illegitimate (third) son, Yi Jae-seon on the throne. The plot was frustrated by the queen consort, but Heungseon Daewongun was unharmed because he was the father of the King.
Reason: I have checked various texts and found no trace of this. I think it may be intended to refer to the ensuing 1882 uprising. PineappleDolly ( talk) 19:41, 20 September 2023 (UTC)
I have now discovered that this is a reference to the plot to seat Prince Imperial Waneun on the throne, so I will introduce a reinstatement and modification of this entry. (21 October 2023)
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I am putting this back up because I find the topic of interest and would like other editors to help me out. Last time this was up someone contributed some more recently discovered photos. I don't see those here and hope they can be put up again. -- Dan 21:18, 1 October 2006 (UTC)
See the newspaper. http://english.chosun.com/w21data/html/news/200501/200501130035.html
It's really difficult to determine what is genuine or fake. I can't and shouldn't make a statement about such matters. I came across File:Empress Myeongseong3.jpg also from a Japanese book 《朝鮮風俗風景写真帖》 though it was published in 1911 (明治44年). I thought the woman looked similar to the "court lady" photo but there might be a problem with both. In the KBS news clip, an expert on photography had guessed the "court lady" photo to have been taken around 1910 or 1920. This new photo was in the 1911 issue of the Japanese photobook. Both dates are at least a decade after Queen Min's death. If they are not the same person, then this new photo should have used a caption "明成皇后陛下" (Her majesty empress Myeongseong) and not "李王妃殿下" (Her highness Princess Yi). OK, Dan just mentioned this new photo looks like Queen Yun. I got the photo from this blog page which put this picture as Queen Min. — Nrtm81 20:00, 13 July 2006 (UTC)
There's certainly variety in their appearances, isn't there? I think the original source for the photos you saw on the blog, Nrtm81, is probably here [1]. I saw the news account - I wonder what made the expert think the photo dates from 1910 or later? This is a fun puzzle, I must admit. Maybe we should put up some photos of modern Min women who are descendants of Queen Min's father. My mother-in-law, who was such a person, claimed that Queen Min was "moot sengyesa" (unattractive). Since my mother-in-law wasn't born until 1914, I don't know how she knew this, but there it is ;-) -- Dan 20:09, 13 July 2006 (UTC)
I've already asked Nrtm81, but anyone else who's reading this, see if you can interpret the date on
, most likely using the Japanese calendar but no guarantee. It's in the lower left corner and clipped off a bit. --
Dan
21:11, 13 July 2006 (UTC)
And finally, user Appleby, I think, posted a link to this article (Korean language)
[2]
which has recently discovered German photos that could very well be Queen Min. See what you think, and be sure to look at the photo where they compare Sunjong as a child to the photo that could be Queen Min, his mother. --
Dan
17:49, 2 October 2006 (UTC)
-- Lulusuke 04:20, 6 October 2006 (UTC)
-- Lulusuke 18:45, 6 October 2006 (UTC)
Here are photos of both Lady Om (mother of Yi Kang) and Kwi-in Yang, mother of Princess Dokhye, Kojong's last child.
. To me, that photo of Lady Om does not look like either the usual photo supposed to be Queen Min,
, nor the more recent photo, at
[3]. Here's a detail from that photo comparing the woman labelled as Queen Min with Sunjong:
. That woman looks nothing like Lady Om. --
Dan
16:36, 11 October 2006 (UTC)
Look at the captions written in Japanese. These photos are well-known to competent historians. But I don't upload these, since I cannot confirm a photographer and shooting date, respectively.
![]() 純貞孝皇后 尹氏: One of King Sunjong's(純宗) wives |
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世界風俗写真帖 第1集(Sekaifuzoku Syashin-cho No.1,) Syogoro Tsuboi and Raisuke Numata 1901. National Digital Library Ref. YDM2735. |
-- Lulusuke 01:53, 4 October 2006 (UTC) -- Lulusuke 02:16, 4 October 2006 (UTC) -- Lulusuke 08:10, 6 October 2006 (UTC)
:-).-- Lulusuke 01:57, 6 October 2006 (UTC)
Okay, let me look at the photos...
Guys, I visited a website where originally I was gonna get some pics of kisaeng women, then when I got to the part of sketches made by some french guys, I made a (startling?) discovery. There are some pics there that resemble Min's alleged photo. Here are the links:
http://www.women.or.kr/herstory/WomenArt/frillust/image/illust11.jpg - a colored sketch of a court lady who is in the sitting position similar to her alleged photo http://www.women.or.kr/herstory/WomenArt/frillust/image/illust10.jpg - very similar sketch to her alleged photo http://www.women.or.kr/herstory/WomenArt/frillust/image/illust12.jpg - does this portray Min's assassination??? Heran et Sang'gres 09:41, 18 October 2007 (UTC)
Guys, here's a pic about the Eulmi Incident... http://www.newworldencyclopedia.org/entry/Image:Queen_Min_Eulmi_Incident.jpg Can anyone analyze? Thanks... Heran et Sang'gres ( talk) 07:50, 20 January 2008 (UTC)
After all the current drama, I was a little reluctant to edit this article again however it needed it.
I have made an edit based mainly, but not entirely on grammar issues.
If anyone has a problem with the text ie. use of Queen Min instead of Empress Myeongseong, or any other choice of word that could be considered POV, leading, undue weight etc - then please edit that section instead of just reverting it - if you change minor wording, I will consider the change - I don't really care if you wish to use Empress Myeongseong instead of Queen Min, as both as currently in use in the article, however if you just revert and go back to the previous section, I will consider this to be disruptive and I will undo your revert as it will go back to the state that had major English grammar issues. カンチョーSennen Goroshi ! ( talk) 06:01, 1 January 2009 (UTC)
Is it possible to display in to the article her royal seal? I saw a pic in flickr displaying her royal seal, which had the first 4 characters "Empress Myeongseong"... Heran et Sang'gres ( talk) 12:13, 28 October 2009 (UTC)
"Efforts to remove her from the political arena, orchestrated through failed rebellions prompted by the father of King Gojong, Heungseon Daewongun"
How can this be right ? How can the King's father be regent ? Would he not be the king ? Usually a regent is the King's uncle of some kind. 122.106.255.204 ( talk) 05:46, 15 November 2009 (UTC)
The article points out on several occasions, that she did not have the title of Queen for years after her marriage, but it does not say when she received the title. I know that it is not the same thing as in Europe, when a woman automatically becomes queen when she marries a king. So, when during the marriage was she given the title? In the 1880s? -- 85.226.41.65 ( talk) 22:19, 7 May 2010 (UTC)
Hi. Nice question. Actually, at that time, when a Korean lady (15-16 years old) marries a King of Joseon, she automatically becomes his Queen Consort through a ceremony called "chaekbi" (冊妃 책비). So, summary, Myeongseong became Gojong's "Queen Consort" (mind the actual title, since "Queen" can also be mistakenly & confusingly mean "Queen Regnant", as with Elzabeth II) when she got married. I hope this satisfies you... Heran et Sang'gres ( talk) 08:13, 5 July 2010 (UTC)
The assassination of the Korean Empress ignited diplomatic protest abroad. To appease growing international criticism.
I think that this description is self-conceit. Other countries were not interested in Korea. 61.199.1.102 ( talk) 19:34, 19 May 2011 (UTC)
Hi everybody. Would anyone object to changing the subtitle "Eulmi Incident" to "Assassination"? Reason: a reader who looks at the table of contents wouldn't know that the Queen/Empress was assassinated or that there is a section about her death. The retitled section would start like this: "The assassination of Empress Myeongseong, which in Korea is known as the Eulmi Incident (을미사변, 乙未事變), occurred in the early hours of 8 October 1895..." Comments? Madalibi ( talk) 07:18, 9 October 2011 (UTC)
The article was assessed C-class, for insufficient number of in-line citations. Boneyard90 ( talk) 16:33, 18 February 2012 (UTC)
MURDER OF THE COREAN QUEEN. (From The Times.) Our Tokio correspondent, writing on October 18, says... - added 22 August 2012 by User:Eregli bob - but no add date or User listing or IP listing was on this addition. Strange. Anyway, I have slimmed this down as we cannot copy/paster verbatim huge chunks of copyrighted text. Next time add a referring link, please. HammerFilmFan ( talk) 14:35, 10 June 2014 (UTC)
Korean news reported today that she was not assassinated, but survived the attempt. Has anyone seen anything on that? 71.171.103.178 ( talk) 01:24, 1 July 2013 (UTC)
Ignored in the incident is the role of Hoonryeondae Regiment, a 1000 men strong Korean Army unit, trained by the Japanese, but officered by Koreans in the incident. It was this Regiment that had surrounded the Palace without incurring suspicion, opening the gate, and allowing the Ronin to enter and assassinate. Lieutenant Colonel U Beomseon, one of the three Battalion Commanders participated in the burning of the empress' body, and soon escaped to Japan along with other commanders of the unit. King Gojong soon sent assassins to Japan, where Lieutenant Colonel U, who by then had married a Japanese woman and sired a son, was tracked down and assassinated. This significant event is ignored by Koreans as it shows how much of a role Koreans had in the assassination of their own Empress. I added this little bit in the body, fully expecting some Korean nationalist to start an edit war... Let it begin! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.33.238.132 ( talk) 08:22, 1 May 2014 (UTC)
In the desinfobox, Myeongseong is depicted as "Regent". Of her husband ? And this surprising assertion is sustained by nothing, not even by a mention in the body of the article. Like ever, desinfoboxes are the worst part of any article. Pldx1 ( talk) 11:33, 25 September 2015 (UTC)
A new section was added in the article for possible photos of Empress Min, however, no picture is actually posted. It would be better if people actually posted the possible photographs described.
Also, I would suggest paying no attention to Lulusuke if he trolls this topic. I speak Chinese and learned Japanese in college, now I read Chinese and Japanese texts on a regular basis. I can say for certain that he is nowhere as fluent in the languages as he claims. The fact that he makes glaring oversights translating the caption beneath one of the photographs brought up in the last thread should clearly demonstrate his level of skill. He also cites an inaccurately labelled website as his primary source and is fanatical that only one proposed photograph could be Queen Min. I think he should be ignored and the other proposed photographs added. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.177.168.185 ( talk) 10:13, 28 November 2015 (UTC)
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Hi, I propose that we split off the Assassination section into a separate article.
For size, the current article is pretty long (as indicated by template on page as of 10 July 2023). As per XTools, the number of bytes of readable prose in the article is 55,665. It fits in the "May need to be divided" category of WP:SIZESPLIT.
But I have more arguments beyond size:
Thanks! First time doing a split proposal like this, lmk if I did something wrong toobigtokale ( talk) 23:41, 10 July 2023 (UTC)
Hi, I did some research and I think the article should be named "Queen Min" instead of "Empress Myeongseong".
Reasoning:
See WP:TITLE. The most WP:COMMONNAME in reliable English publications is "Queen Min" on Google Ngram, Google Books (12,100 vs 489), and Google Scholar (1,420 vs 242). It also matches the common title formats for other Joseon queens.
I'll go ahead and make the change, but please respond if disagree. toobigtokale ( talk) 06:13, 12 July 2023 (UTC)
Volgogradpart of WP:CONSUB I think there's a reasonably strong argument to use "Queen Min" for that article. But there's some wiggle room.
Our article on the Korean Empire implies it was established in 1897, and this person seems to have died before that. This leads me to suspect most English-language reliable sources probably call her "Queen Min" (Donald Keene's Emperor of Japan: Meiji and His World, 1852–1912 definitely does). Is there any reason we don't? Hijiri 88 ( 聖 やや) 08:42, 11 November 2020 (UTC)
Afaik there's hot debate on whether an image of her exists; even the kowiki refrains from having an image. I'm not an expert on the topic though. Does anyone know if we should have the image? toobigtokale ( talk) 19:20, 27 August 2023 (UTC)
I removed the following words from the Aftermath section ie after the queen's assassination. "Gojong, a man who had always been used by others and never used his own voice for his own causes, was noted by scholars as having said, "I would rather slit my wrists and let them bleed than disgrace the woman who saved this kingdom." There is a need for two references, one for the King's previous attitude on non-interference; one for the words themselves. If anyone can reference these, that part of the removed words can be reinstated/ adapted. I hesitate to remove material but this really does need referencing, not least because the words may come from one of the many subsequent dramatic representations of the events in question. I am trying to reduce the narrative to referenced factual content and would welcome back the quote if it can be traced properly. — Preceding unsigned comment added by PineappleDolly ( talk • contribs) 12:29, 16 September 2023 (UTC)
Item: The special treatment of the new training unit caused resentment among the other troops. In September 1881, a plot was uncovered to overthrow the queen consort's faction, depose the King, and place Heungseon Daewongun's illegitimate (third) son, Yi Jae-seon on the throne. The plot was frustrated by the queen consort, but Heungseon Daewongun was unharmed because he was the father of the King.
Reason: I have checked various texts and found no trace of this. I think it may be intended to refer to the ensuing 1882 uprising. PineappleDolly ( talk) 19:41, 20 September 2023 (UTC)
I have now discovered that this is a reference to the plot to seat Prince Imperial Waneun on the throne, so I will introduce a reinstatement and modification of this entry. (21 October 2023)