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I split this huge article, per Size Guidelines, and it has been reverted several times now by WikiCleanerMan with no logical explanation, except what boils down to I Don't Like It. (WCM also seems to think that article splits and mergers must be discussed before execution, contrary to actual Wikipedia policy.) I have been very active at the Article Mergers and Splits noticeboard since 2012, and am quite aware of what needs to happen to carry these actions out. His reverting of the split is bordering on disruptive.
There are numerous reasons why articles this size should be split, not the least of which is, for instance: it takes my computer 15–20 seconds to even load (my puter is only two years old), also the content I split out had already been moved to the Presidency of Emmanuel Macron article, where it belonged. I found a natural breaking point (his presidency) in this article while completing the merges of two other articles' content (that were small content forks/duplications) to this article. The content of those two articles was part of the text I then sent to the Presidency article. This was all per MoS guidelines. Right now there exists a huge Content Fork and duplication between that article and this one. Note also, before I was even done with cleanup after working on these merges and splits for almost seven hours, WCM jumped in and started reverting everything in the four articles involved, even though I had "in progress" banners on all them all.
If there are any reasonable objections to this split, please present your case here.— Preceding unsigned comment added by GenQuest ( talk • contribs)
I wonder when there was a need to split this article after the merger discussion to create the presidency article. It was never requested when I started the merger discussion and this article was never up for debate when I started the discussion. Please stop splitting for the case of your own IDT when you clearly were making disruptive edits even after when the discussion on the former redirect was self-explanatory. Article size isn't even being presented as a reason to split the article. Take a look at other presidency articles which contain a lot of the same information on the main article about a president and their presidency article. -- WikiCleanerMan ( talk) 19:57, 30 July 2023 (UTC)
I recently had to revert a contribution whose source did not mention Emmanuel Macron even once. It appears that this page is being used as a general chronicle on everything that the government does or that happens in France. I would encourage contributors to keep in mind that this is a biography, not a blow-by-blow chronicle of every bill the government passes into law. -- SashiRolls 🌿 · 🍥 13:04, 30 July 2023 (UTC)
I am opening discussion on this addition, which I have removed on the grounds that it belongs instead on the Presidency of Emmanuel Macron entry. Why am I mistaken? -- SashiRolls 🌿 · 🍥 13:06, 15 August 2023 (UTC)
Read the article and did a quick copyedit as I went. Parts of the article were machine-translated, and suffered from the historical present and the differences of opinion that French has with English about when to use "the". Nothing unusual, bottom line. The.what tags include a rationale as a parameter and should be self-explanatory. I don't have an opinion at the moment on the split, but I do think that there's some repetition that could stand to go. I did not attempt this on this pass, just hit some low-hanging copy-editing fruit. Elinruby ( talk) 03:31, 22 August 2023 (UTC)
Since we're discussing size, the § Political positions section should be removed, and the few salvageable bits moved to the Presidency section. He's defined by what he did as president, not what he said in interviews. None of our well-maintained presidential BLPs have such a section. (The section was largely translated from frwiki, and follows frwiki's cavalier tendency toward journalistic rather than encyclopedic style). DFlhb ( talk) 00:52, 3 September 2023 (UTC)
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The article wrongfully states that the relationship between Macron and his wife started when he was 18. Both sources referred to write clearly that the relationship started when he was 16 or 17. Please rectify. 94.109.160.70 ( talk) 08:16, 7 October 2023 (UTC)
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change ((Elisabeth Borne)) to ((Élisabeth Borne)) 2601:540:CA80:5FB0:3033:4131:60C8:D7F3 ( talk) 18:56, 24 October 2023 (UTC)
Done PianoDan ( talk) 21:11, 24 October 2023 (UTC)
It looks like the photo File:Macron Michel 2023 (cropped).jpg was nominated for deletion, so it's better to just replace this photo File:Emmanuel Macron 2022.png because it complies with the license and better. Baqotun0023 ( talk) 03:37, 30 January 2024 (UTC)
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I split this huge article, per Size Guidelines, and it has been reverted several times now by WikiCleanerMan with no logical explanation, except what boils down to I Don't Like It. (WCM also seems to think that article splits and mergers must be discussed before execution, contrary to actual Wikipedia policy.) I have been very active at the Article Mergers and Splits noticeboard since 2012, and am quite aware of what needs to happen to carry these actions out. His reverting of the split is bordering on disruptive.
There are numerous reasons why articles this size should be split, not the least of which is, for instance: it takes my computer 15–20 seconds to even load (my puter is only two years old), also the content I split out had already been moved to the Presidency of Emmanuel Macron article, where it belonged. I found a natural breaking point (his presidency) in this article while completing the merges of two other articles' content (that were small content forks/duplications) to this article. The content of those two articles was part of the text I then sent to the Presidency article. This was all per MoS guidelines. Right now there exists a huge Content Fork and duplication between that article and this one. Note also, before I was even done with cleanup after working on these merges and splits for almost seven hours, WCM jumped in and started reverting everything in the four articles involved, even though I had "in progress" banners on all them all.
If there are any reasonable objections to this split, please present your case here.— Preceding unsigned comment added by GenQuest ( talk • contribs)
I wonder when there was a need to split this article after the merger discussion to create the presidency article. It was never requested when I started the merger discussion and this article was never up for debate when I started the discussion. Please stop splitting for the case of your own IDT when you clearly were making disruptive edits even after when the discussion on the former redirect was self-explanatory. Article size isn't even being presented as a reason to split the article. Take a look at other presidency articles which contain a lot of the same information on the main article about a president and their presidency article. -- WikiCleanerMan ( talk) 19:57, 30 July 2023 (UTC)
I recently had to revert a contribution whose source did not mention Emmanuel Macron even once. It appears that this page is being used as a general chronicle on everything that the government does or that happens in France. I would encourage contributors to keep in mind that this is a biography, not a blow-by-blow chronicle of every bill the government passes into law. -- SashiRolls 🌿 · 🍥 13:04, 30 July 2023 (UTC)
I am opening discussion on this addition, which I have removed on the grounds that it belongs instead on the Presidency of Emmanuel Macron entry. Why am I mistaken? -- SashiRolls 🌿 · 🍥 13:06, 15 August 2023 (UTC)
Read the article and did a quick copyedit as I went. Parts of the article were machine-translated, and suffered from the historical present and the differences of opinion that French has with English about when to use "the". Nothing unusual, bottom line. The.what tags include a rationale as a parameter and should be self-explanatory. I don't have an opinion at the moment on the split, but I do think that there's some repetition that could stand to go. I did not attempt this on this pass, just hit some low-hanging copy-editing fruit. Elinruby ( talk) 03:31, 22 August 2023 (UTC)
Since we're discussing size, the § Political positions section should be removed, and the few salvageable bits moved to the Presidency section. He's defined by what he did as president, not what he said in interviews. None of our well-maintained presidential BLPs have such a section. (The section was largely translated from frwiki, and follows frwiki's cavalier tendency toward journalistic rather than encyclopedic style). DFlhb ( talk) 00:52, 3 September 2023 (UTC)
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The article wrongfully states that the relationship between Macron and his wife started when he was 18. Both sources referred to write clearly that the relationship started when he was 16 or 17. Please rectify. 94.109.160.70 ( talk) 08:16, 7 October 2023 (UTC)
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change ((Elisabeth Borne)) to ((Élisabeth Borne)) 2601:540:CA80:5FB0:3033:4131:60C8:D7F3 ( talk) 18:56, 24 October 2023 (UTC)
Done PianoDan ( talk) 21:11, 24 October 2023 (UTC)
It looks like the photo File:Macron Michel 2023 (cropped).jpg was nominated for deletion, so it's better to just replace this photo File:Emmanuel Macron 2022.png because it complies with the license and better. Baqotun0023 ( talk) 03:37, 30 January 2024 (UTC)