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The User User:Onel5969 keeps insisting that I revert my last change (see his talk page) but I don't understand why. The version he wants would be: "ILFC is the launch customer for the Embraer E190-E2, and Embraer E195-E2, with the airline signing a Letter of Intent (LOI) for 100 total." But this sentence would only be correct if ILFC was an airline, which they are clarly not. See: ILFC
So I reverted his change and since he was using STiki, I gave him a warning that he shouldn't do that because STiki policies only allow to use it against vandalism and edits that are clearly unconstructive. I really don't understand how changing airline to lessor in a sentence referring to ILFC can be clearly unconstructive. 95.88.204.167 ( talk) 09:20, 23 May 2015 (UTC)
This is an article whose topic is the E-Jet E2 family, a type of small passenger jet produced by the Embraer company.
Please familiarize yourself with WP:Relevance. Restated for this article: Relevance Level A facts for this topic would be facts directly about the E-Jet E2 Family, including its production on a mixed line Relevance Level B facts could be about Embraer (& Embraer products) or the directly-competing CSeries and maybe facts about the production strategy for other Embraer products or, most tenously, maybe CSeries's production strategy. Relevance level C facts that are 'two steps removed' should usually not be included, such as, in this case, mention of others (neither Embraer nor CSeries) who might be members, fans, or critics of the mixed-assembly line club, such as the Boeing Company.
Boeing is not Embraer. 747 and 737 are not new small families with regional jet heritage. In an article about Embraer E-Jet E2 family, Boeing's 747 and 737 production choices are two-or-more steps remvoed, falling somewhere between Off Topic and WP:Trivia and therefore should be removed. All production-mix facts would obviously be welcome in a Wikipedia article on comparative aircraft production, and were obviously also topical within an industry source that considers production methods worth comparing, but that they'd be relevant those contexts does not mean that the fact is relevant here. Here they are too far off topic to be included. KevinCuddeback ( talk) 19:23, 20 February 2018 (UTC)
The opening paragraph in the Development section seeks to describe how Embraer developed the E2 to position itself versus competitive gaps, weaknesses, and emerging strongholds. Embraer apparently compared a possible E2 family versus a re-engined ERJ line, vs other (old) A320 & 737 product lines, vs other direct competitors (CSeries), and vs new strongholds created/redefined as the A320neo and 737 MAX were created. It currently reads,
"In 2010, Embraer could directly challenge the CSeries with a clean-sheet five-abreast design for 100 to 150 passengers but Airbus launched the A320neo in December, including the 124-seat A319neo, and Boeing launched the re-engined 737 MAX the following year, so Embraer kept focusing on the large regional jets and launched an extensive revamp of the E-Jet family beyond a re-engine at the November 2011 Dubai air show."
"Could" seems to have any of 4 meanings between wanted-didn't, wanted-did, wouldn't-didn't, wouldn't-did, and it only gets unclearer as these get multiplied across unexplained dynamics of CSeries, A320neo, 737 MAX, with a could-but-so construction. It is also unclear if the revamp "beyond" re-engine is a "both" or "instead" relationshiop. From the source, it appears the re-engine became an ERJ "might've-didn't", while the extensive revamp became a "did" but this isn't clear, and the re-engine may not even be relevant, since it wasn't the E2 being reengined. KevinCuddeback ( talk) 23:26, 20 February 2018 (UTC)
-- Marc Lacoste ( talk) 08:51, 14 July 2018 (UTC)
Much prefer the image in the Widerøe livery. Good pic pick. RickyCourtney ( talk) 08:28, 24 July 2018 (UTC)
The order book as of Q2 2018 is here: https://daflwcl3bnxyt.cloudfront.net/m/0a99207a7ce2cfc0/original/Deliveries-backlog-2Q18-VRI-Ins-I-18_final_v8.pdf
It doesn't agree with many of the orders listed in the order section in this article. I see no orders for Tianjin Airlines, although there is an order for 10 aircraft from the Chinese leasing company ICBC on almost the same day (17 July 2014), and 2 orders for the related Hainan Airlines (common ownership with Tianjin).
There are also 10 orders from undisclosed customers for the E195-E2.
Azul's last 21 units and Wataniya's 10 aircraft order isn't in the order book, however, those will presumably be in the Q3 order book.
Could some of the order have changed since they were made four or five years ago? Mirza Ahmed ( talk) 21:25, 1 September 2018 (UTC)
The following [1] should be updated, in regards to recent news [2]:
1 - /info/en/?search=Embraer_E-Jet_E2_family#Boeing-Embraer_joint_venture
2 - /info/en/?search=Boeing–Embraer_joint_venture#Termination
Hopefully this is the right place to mention this change. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.50.234.7 ( talk) 15:11, 29 April 2020 (UTC)
Belavia also has these in their fleet. I’m sitting on a 195-E2 right now. Deutschmark82 ( talk) 08:33, 2 January 2021 (UTC)
![]() | This is an archive of past discussions. Do not edit the contents of this page. If you wish to start a new discussion or revive an old one, please do so on the current talk page. |
Archive 1 |
The User User:Onel5969 keeps insisting that I revert my last change (see his talk page) but I don't understand why. The version he wants would be: "ILFC is the launch customer for the Embraer E190-E2, and Embraer E195-E2, with the airline signing a Letter of Intent (LOI) for 100 total." But this sentence would only be correct if ILFC was an airline, which they are clarly not. See: ILFC
So I reverted his change and since he was using STiki, I gave him a warning that he shouldn't do that because STiki policies only allow to use it against vandalism and edits that are clearly unconstructive. I really don't understand how changing airline to lessor in a sentence referring to ILFC can be clearly unconstructive. 95.88.204.167 ( talk) 09:20, 23 May 2015 (UTC)
This is an article whose topic is the E-Jet E2 family, a type of small passenger jet produced by the Embraer company.
Please familiarize yourself with WP:Relevance. Restated for this article: Relevance Level A facts for this topic would be facts directly about the E-Jet E2 Family, including its production on a mixed line Relevance Level B facts could be about Embraer (& Embraer products) or the directly-competing CSeries and maybe facts about the production strategy for other Embraer products or, most tenously, maybe CSeries's production strategy. Relevance level C facts that are 'two steps removed' should usually not be included, such as, in this case, mention of others (neither Embraer nor CSeries) who might be members, fans, or critics of the mixed-assembly line club, such as the Boeing Company.
Boeing is not Embraer. 747 and 737 are not new small families with regional jet heritage. In an article about Embraer E-Jet E2 family, Boeing's 747 and 737 production choices are two-or-more steps remvoed, falling somewhere between Off Topic and WP:Trivia and therefore should be removed. All production-mix facts would obviously be welcome in a Wikipedia article on comparative aircraft production, and were obviously also topical within an industry source that considers production methods worth comparing, but that they'd be relevant those contexts does not mean that the fact is relevant here. Here they are too far off topic to be included. KevinCuddeback ( talk) 19:23, 20 February 2018 (UTC)
The opening paragraph in the Development section seeks to describe how Embraer developed the E2 to position itself versus competitive gaps, weaknesses, and emerging strongholds. Embraer apparently compared a possible E2 family versus a re-engined ERJ line, vs other (old) A320 & 737 product lines, vs other direct competitors (CSeries), and vs new strongholds created/redefined as the A320neo and 737 MAX were created. It currently reads,
"In 2010, Embraer could directly challenge the CSeries with a clean-sheet five-abreast design for 100 to 150 passengers but Airbus launched the A320neo in December, including the 124-seat A319neo, and Boeing launched the re-engined 737 MAX the following year, so Embraer kept focusing on the large regional jets and launched an extensive revamp of the E-Jet family beyond a re-engine at the November 2011 Dubai air show."
"Could" seems to have any of 4 meanings between wanted-didn't, wanted-did, wouldn't-didn't, wouldn't-did, and it only gets unclearer as these get multiplied across unexplained dynamics of CSeries, A320neo, 737 MAX, with a could-but-so construction. It is also unclear if the revamp "beyond" re-engine is a "both" or "instead" relationshiop. From the source, it appears the re-engine became an ERJ "might've-didn't", while the extensive revamp became a "did" but this isn't clear, and the re-engine may not even be relevant, since it wasn't the E2 being reengined. KevinCuddeback ( talk) 23:26, 20 February 2018 (UTC)
-- Marc Lacoste ( talk) 08:51, 14 July 2018 (UTC)
Much prefer the image in the Widerøe livery. Good pic pick. RickyCourtney ( talk) 08:28, 24 July 2018 (UTC)
The order book as of Q2 2018 is here: https://daflwcl3bnxyt.cloudfront.net/m/0a99207a7ce2cfc0/original/Deliveries-backlog-2Q18-VRI-Ins-I-18_final_v8.pdf
It doesn't agree with many of the orders listed in the order section in this article. I see no orders for Tianjin Airlines, although there is an order for 10 aircraft from the Chinese leasing company ICBC on almost the same day (17 July 2014), and 2 orders for the related Hainan Airlines (common ownership with Tianjin).
There are also 10 orders from undisclosed customers for the E195-E2.
Azul's last 21 units and Wataniya's 10 aircraft order isn't in the order book, however, those will presumably be in the Q3 order book.
Could some of the order have changed since they were made four or five years ago? Mirza Ahmed ( talk) 21:25, 1 September 2018 (UTC)
The following [1] should be updated, in regards to recent news [2]:
1 - /info/en/?search=Embraer_E-Jet_E2_family#Boeing-Embraer_joint_venture
2 - /info/en/?search=Boeing–Embraer_joint_venture#Termination
Hopefully this is the right place to mention this change. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.50.234.7 ( talk) 15:11, 29 April 2020 (UTC)
Belavia also has these in their fleet. I’m sitting on a 195-E2 right now. Deutschmark82 ( talk) 08:33, 2 January 2021 (UTC)