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Elvis' extensive collection of police badges definitely deserves a mention in the section about Nixon. That section extensively quotes Guralnick, and yet Guralnick makes the argument in his book that just getting the elite federal narcotics badge was the real reason Elvis sought out a meeting with Nixon in the first place. He specifically ASKED Nixon for the badge; it was his idea. I don't see how you can tell the story about Elvis, Nixon, and the badge without mentioning that fact, and Elvis' almost obsessive hobby with collecting police badges.-- 24.107.35.146 04:28, 5 April 2007 (UTC)
Is not Wikipedia supposed to an encyclopedia? Encyclopedias as a rule print facts and figures and do not attempt to make judgments and form biased opinions by quoting, often out of context, only the most slanderous comments from many numerous publications. That is not what an encylcopedia is supposed to be about. It is quite obvious from looking up John Lennon's bio on this very same site that the rules as to what makes up an encyclopedia have been followed with regard to him. Why has no slander been allowed through on his bio while it has been allowed through here on Elvis Presley? That is biased. Albert Goldman stated John Lennon was homosexual. User:Suzulu
The whole article on Elvis Presley has been edited due to slanderous abuse. It is noted that in the bio of John Lennon on this site, passages from Albert Goldman's derogatory biography have not been included. Yet Goldman's derogatory passages about Elvis were printed. Both Goldman's books about Elvis and Lennon have been proven incorrect by the people that knew them. User:Suzulu
I can't be wrong because people who knew Elvis (with the exception of Dee Presley, who has been called a liar by Elvis' friends and family including Ann-Margret) have never said anything derogatory about Elvis in the years after Goldman published that book. Fans and people who knew both Elvis Presley and John Lennnon have stated that Albert Goldman's two books on those celebrities are wrong. Paul McCartney himself stated that Albert Goldman was a liar regarding John Lennon. Rolling Stone magazine states that 99% of what was said about Elvis in Goldman's book was totally unfounded. Albert Goldman detests rock'n'roll and has stated in interviews and other books about the rock'n'roll phenomenon that he believes rock 'n' roll singers are all latently homosexual and that the music itself is laced with homosexuality. User:Suzulu
"...shows on June 19, in Omaha, Nebraska & 21 (in Rapid City, South Dakota) were recorded..."
It needs little editing... like putting "in Omaha, Nebraska" into ( ) or "in Rapid City, South Dakota" out of ( ).
Elvis' health needs more attention. He was very sick person, but here they repeats infinitely "drugs, fat, drugs, fat..." In addition of those which are already mentioned he had diabetes, anemia, problems with liver, high blood pressure, enlarged colon, constipation, Kathy has told about his genetically sick heart, which was twice the size on one side as it was on the other, and so on and so on...
Wikipedia made an attempt to slander Elvis Presley by including sections of Albert Goldman's book. If Albert Goldman is correct then John Lennon's friends family and fans must be reeling to find out from Goldman in "The Lives of John Lennon" that Lennon picked up male prostitutes in Thailand!!? and had an affair with Brian Epstein!
Is it "The Hilbilly Cat" or "The Hillbilly Cat" right?
Sorry I too not wanting to tread on anyones toes (for the person who wrote this about Elvis) but I disagree with the "fact" *Presley's birth certificate uses the spelling Aron, but his estate has designated Aaron as the official spelling of his middle name. It is spelled Aron because of his twin brother that died at birth, Garon, so Elvis would always have a part of his brother with him.* In fact he was actually born Elvis Aaron Presley but he later changed it to be just Elvis Aron, he was initally called Elvis Aaron correct because his twin brother was Jesse Garon but as I have mentioned he later changed this to be the spelling of Aron (just one A).
His grave has the incorrect spelling on it also, as it is spelt Aaron.
Thank You.
FOLLOW UP: This may be true. However, in the documentary produced about his life, THIS IS ELVIS, Aron is the spelling used on Presley's duffel bag in the military sequences. This could only have occurred if he specified the spelling himself. In my opinion, Aron should be the correct spelling.
however. no one cares what his middle name was or what it was spelled like. elvis is alive so why don't you ask him?
--His birth-certificate is "Aron" not "Aaron". He changed it late in life to "Aaron" because it was the biblical spelling rather than the one he was born with--a common early 20th century practice was rhyming names (I have this in my own family), thus "Elvis Aron" and "Jesse Garon".
Everybody seems to be about "half-right" so far. Here's the direct quote on it from the FAQ of elvis's official graceland page.
http://www.elvis.com/elvisology/faq/faq.asp?qid=11 For those that don't read: Intended to be Aron, certificate said Aaron, he wanted it switched to Aaron for biblical purposes, Family respected his wishes for the tombstone. 66.119.27.235 18:11, 23 March 2007 (UTC)
66.168.134.159 11:05, 28 April 2007 (UTC)I'm concerned about the first paragraph of the bio which states that Elvis's twin's name was Aaron, which is totally incorrect. The twin's name was Jesse (or Jessie, some conflict there, too) Garon Presley.
I was quite shocked when I discovered that no one has even tried to nominate this article to be a FA (you are supposed to be able to see failed nominations on the TalkPage, right?).
I really don't know much about Elvis except that he sang a lot and women loved him.
But this article has it all, doesn't it? Lot's of info, but still relevant info... references, inline references, interesting info... you name it.
The only thing that I don't like is the heading "Girls! Girls! Girls!". I know that "Girls!" was a great part of Elvis life, but Wikipedia is an encyclopedia. Surely you're not saying we would find such a heading in a true encyclopedia.
So
Just some thoughts (from a newb...).
81.170.138.232 19:11, 21 October 2006 (UTC)
It should be its own page. Like Bob Marley.
Anyone? I'm all ears........ 81.170.138.232 21:51, 21 October 2006 (UTC)
It should be its own page.
Oh God! Who keeps removing the cult-section? Can the person please atleast mention that she/he is doing it in the TalkPage? I put it back up but now someone has removed it once again. Atleast I STATE why I put it back and what I changed! Thankyou! 81.170.138.232 22:33, 21 October 2006 (UTC)
The following article is being considered for deletion (see [1]):
Can this content be merged into the article? Onefortyone 01:22, 22 October 2006 (UTC)
Every contributor to the request for deletion (other than you) noted that the article should be deleted. See [ here]. The incident takes up one page out of 663 of the FBI files. Tne one page never says that he made passes at Elvis but do note that Landau was most likely metally disturbed. As two seperate editors noted, it's not relevant. Lochdale 01:25, 22 October 2006 (UTC)
If there was enough to warrant an actual article it would stand on its own. It can't and it is no more important than the other hundreds of pages of the files. The summary in the article is fine as it currently stands. And if you created the article to avoid an edit war then why did you keep trying to link to the article in the main Presley article? Lochdale 01:51, 22 October 2006 (UTC)
Guralnik et al. reference it barely in passing. As an administrator noted to you, just because it is mentioned does not mean it is relevant. If we go on the basis of what is mentioned then we should add thousands of pages to this article. Lochdale 01:55, 22 October 2006 (UTC)
Hey did you know John Lennon picked up male prostitutes ! or had an affair with Brian Epstein according to Albert Goldman in "The Lives of John Lennon". Mr Goldman also did a lovely slaying of Elvis. I hope people are quite aware that not everything that gets published is true!?
I think this is not acceptable. Here is the current version he has removed:
This should be its own web page.
It has been claimed that there are over 500 US fan clubs and that they exist in every state except three: North Dakota, Idaho and Wyoming. According to the American Demographics magazine, 84% of the US people say that their lives have been touched by Elvis Presley in some way, 70% have watched a movie starring Presley, 44% have danced to one of his songs, 31% have bought an Elvis record, CD or video, 10% have visited Graceland, 9% have bought Elvis memorabilia, 9% have read a book about Presley, and 5% have seen the singer in concert. [2] Not all of these people are Elvis fans. A collection of essays entitled The Adoring Audience: Fan Culture and Popular Media critically examines what distinguishes fans from general audiences and explores the relationship between fans and their adored media products. Part of this volume is the article, "Fandom and Gender" which includes an examination of female fantasies of Presley. [3] To many of his female fans, the songs Presley sang "were secondary to his personality and the way he performed them," evoking the well-known emotional responses. [4] In her autobiographical article, "Sexing Elvis" (1984), Sue Wise even describes "how she came to terms with her lesbianism through a close identification with the feminine side of the King." [5] "Elvis's 'effect' on young girls threatened those men who assumed that young girls needed to be protected both from sex in general and from its expression in questionable characters like Elvis in particular." [6] "Perhaps it is an error of enthusiasm to freight Elvis Presley with too heavy a historical load", as, according to a public opinion poll among high school students in 1957, Pat Boone was "the nearly two-to-one favorite over Elvis Presley among boys and preferred almost three-to-one by girls"; yet, Presley "clearly outshines the other performers in rocknroll's first pantheon." [7]
There can be no doubt that it was primarily "the recording industry, which made Elvis Presley a mythical media demigod." [8] On August 16, thousands of die-hard Elvis fans travel to Graceland every year in order to celebrate the anniversary of Presley's death. [9] The ritualization of the Elvis cult is also manifested most prominently through the many live performances by Elvis impersonators. [10] According to Marjorie Garber, "The phenomenon of 'Elvis impersonators,' which began long before the singer's death, is one of the most startling effects of the Elvis cult. [11] What is more, David S. Wall has shown that many authors who are writing books and articles on Presley are part of a "worldwide Elvis industry" which has a tendency towards supporting primarily a favorable view of the star. The content of the majority of these publications can be characterized as based on gossip about gossip, only occasionally providing some new surprising details. There are not many critical, unfavorable publications on Elvis's life. An example is Albert Goldman's controversial biography, Elvis (1981), in which the author unfavorably discusses the star's weight problems, his performing costumes and his sex life. Such books are frequently disparaged and harshly attacked by Elvis fan groups. Professor Wall has pointed out that one of the strategies of the various fan clubs and appreciation societies to which the bulk of Elvis fans belong is " 'community policing' to achieve governance at a distance... These organisations have, through their membership magazines, activities and sales operations, created a powerful moral majority" endeavoring to suppress most critical voices. "With a combined membership of millions, the fans form a formidable constituency of consumer power." [12] According to David Lowenthal, "Everything from Disneyland to the Holocaust Museum, ... from Elvis memorabilia to the Elgin Marbles bears the marks of the cult of heritage." [13] "When it's an exhibition of Elvis memorabilia," even Marilyn Houlberg, professor at the School of the Art Institute of Chicago, "puts on the campy art-world hat and becomes a priestess of the Elvis cult." [14] Paul A. Cantor goes as far as to call the American Presley cult "a postmodern simulacrum of the German Hitler cult." [15] Some fan groups even refuse to accept the fact of the star's death in 1977 (see the "Elvis lives?" section of this article). In his book Elvis after Elvis: The Posthumous Career of a Living Legend (1996), Gilbert Rodman traces in detail Presley's manifestations in contemporary popular and not-so-popular culture. He draws upon the many Elvis "sightings," from Elvis's appearances at the heart of the 1992 presidential campaign to the debate over his worthiness as a subject for a postage stamp, and from Elvis's central role in furious debates about racism and the appropriation of African-American music to the world of Elvis impersonators and the importance of Graceland as a place of pilgrimage for fans and followers. The author further points out that Presley has become inseparable from many of the defining myths of US culture, enmeshed with the American Dream and the very idea of the "United States," caught up in debates about race, gender, and sexuality, and in the wars over what constitutes a national culture. This Presley cult has been much criticized. "As one reader complained: I was really surprised that you used that article about the boring Elvis cult! You would use one on McDonald's?" [16]
Indeed, there are not only positive voices concerning the singer and his life. During the early years of his career, Country blues guitarist Mississippi Slim constantly criticized Elvis. [17] According to Jennifer Harrison, "Elvis faced criticism more often than appreciation" from a small town in South Memphis. [18] "Much criticism has been heaped on Elvis, the Colonel, and others who controlled his creative (or not so creative) output, especially during the Hollywood years." [19] According to Robert A. Segal, Elvis was "a consummate mamma's boy who lived his last twenty years as a recluse in a womblike, infantile world in which all of his wishes were immediately satisfied yet who deemed himself entirely normal, in fact 'all-American.'" [20] When a CBS special on Presley was aired on October 3, 1977, shortly after the singer's death, it "received such harsh criticism that it is hard to imagine what the public response to Elvis's degeneration would have been if he had been alive." This special "only seemed to confirm the rumors of drug abuse." [21] In a recent study on the analogy of trash and rock 'n' roll, professor of English and drummer Steven Hamelman demonstrates that rock 'n' roll productions are often trash, that critics often trash rock 'n' roll productions, and that rock 'n' roll musicians often trash their lives. The author uses the tortured lives and premature deaths of Presley, John Lennon and Kurt Cobain in his section on "waste" in order to underscore the literal and figurative "waste" that, in his opinion, is part of rock 'n' roll. [22] However, one of the most frequent points of criticism is the overweight and androgyny of the late Las Vegas Presley. Time Out says that, "As Elvis got fatter, his shows got glammier." [23] It has been said that the star, when he "returned to Las Vegas, heavier, in pancake makeup, wearing a white jumpsuit with an elaborate jewelled belt and cape, crooning pop songs to a microphone ... had become Liberace. Even his fans were now middle-aged matrons and blue-haired grandmothers, who praised him as a good son who loved his mother; Mother's Day became a special holiday for Elvis's fans." [24] According to several modern gender studies, the singer had, like Liberace, presented "variations of the drag queen figure" in his final stages in Las Vegas, when he excessively used eye shadow, gold lamé suits and jumpsuits. [25] Although described as a male sex symbol, Elvis was "insistently and paradoxically read by the culture as a boy, a eunuch, or a 'woman' – anything but a man," and in his Las Vegas white "Eagle" jumpsuit, designed by costumer Bill Belew, he appeared like "a transvestite successor to Marlene Dietrich." [26] Indeed, Elvis had been "feminized", as Joel Foreman put it. [27] Thus, "Elvis' death did occur at a time when it could only help his reputation. Just before his death, Elvis had been forgotten by society." He was chiefly "referred to as 'overweight and over-the-hill.'" [28]
I agree that this 'criticism' section of the article is also just voicing opinions of people who just don't like Presley plain and simple. It is not relevant knowlege to be included in an encyclopedia. Regarding the jumpsuit and glitter era: just about every rock singer was doing the same thing in the 70s - remember Donny Osmond, David Cassidy, Sly Stone (see Woodstock movie) Most of those singers are not remembered in the way that Elvis is.
This case is now closed and the results have been published at the link above.
For the Arbitration committee. Cowman109 Talk 20:41, 5 December 2006 (UTC)
OK! Now I have added some references to sources where it previously said "citation needed". I screwed up in one way but lets talk about that later. First of all, I want some people to check my references, AFTER reading what I have to say about them.
First of all, the "retrieved"-part of a references should state which date it was when I (the person who found the source) found it, right?
I have added references to two facts
How I screwed up? Well when I made this edit, I forgot the edit summary. I also forgot to mark the edit with an m (minor edit). Is it possible to fix this?
PLEASE CHECK THE OUTLOOK/FORM OF THE REFERENCES IN THE NOTE-SECTION!!!
Waiting for some feedback!
Edit: I always forget about this: PureRumble 13:52, 22 October 2006 (UTC)
OK! Here comes a summary of every reference I have inserted so far (except those that I have already mentioned above):
Feedback Please! I also want to know if it is safe and OK to delete the "Charlotte, North Carolina"-thing that I wrote about here above? It's not important that he said it in Charlotte, and we only have a source that backs up the fact that he said that quote, not where he said it. PureRumble 15:05, 22 October 2006 (UTC)
This paragraph of the article is followed by a "citation needed"-mark
Peter Guralnick's book, Careless Love: The Unmaking of Elvis Presley (1999), "drug use was heavily implicated in this unanticipated death of a middle-aged man with no known history of heart disease...no one ruled out the possibility of anaphylactic shock brought on by the codeine pills he had gotten from his dentist, to which he was known to have had a mild allergy of long standing...There was little disagreement in fact between the two principal laboratory reports and analyses filed two months later, with each stating a strong belief that the primary cause of death was polypharmacy, and the BioScience Laboratories report...indicating the detection of fourteen drugs in Elvis' system, ten in significant quantity."
But I don't understand. Doesn't it already give us a reference? "Peter Guralnick's book, Careless Love: The Unmaking of Elvis Presley (1999)"? PureRumble 15:59, 22 October 2006 (UTC)
Scapecape: hearsay. This is not factual, just a mere opinion. It was known that Elvis suffered from high bloodpressure, fluid retention, liver problems and other diseases which effect the heart. The fact that Elvis had 14 different medicines in his body at his time of death is at most an indication, since all medicines were prescribed and within therapeutic levels!
Taking 14 different drugs at once was illegal and they were all prescribed illegally by his quack surgeon "Dr Nick", who was later struck off. A definite suicide because Presley was going blind, was obese, mentally ill, faced bankruptcy and feraed he had bone cancer.
So let's see... it's clearly not a encyclopedic-heading. The section is about the women that Elvis was involved with. And the fact that there is a movie/book/song/whatever with the title "Girls! Girls! Girls!" Just makes it all worse! Not a single word in that section mentions ANYTHING about this movie/book/song/whatever "Girls! Girls! Girls!". So tell me, why should the heading be "Girls! Girls! Girls!"? PureRumble 18:58, 22 October 2006 (UTC)
It is implied in this section of the article that Elvis wasn't into sex, as if to say that there is something queer with that. A man doesn't have to be having sex constantly to prove he's heterosexual. All it meant was, and this fact is also pointed out in Suzanne Finstead's book, that Elvis was merely sensitive in a time when most men were not, was a romantic (and also he was afraid of getting girls pregnant).-- Suzulu 06:21, 27 April 2007 (UTC)
There is a substantial difference between making a collection of trivia instead of a proper page, and including a trivia section at the end of a page. The call was to integrate the trivia into the page, NOT to remove it altogether. UberCryxic does not appear to understand the difference, and if he doesn't want a trivia section (which is included at the end of COUNTLESS Wikipedia pages), then I suggest he either integrate the trivia himself before simply cutting it out... or let him go through every page on Wikipedia with such a section, try deleting all those trivia sections, then try to argue his point. Zephyrad 07:33, 24 October 2006 (UTC)
The bio block with his picture says 1933. The body text says 1935....
http://www.usatoday.com/money/2006-10-24-cobain-over-elvis_x.htm?csp=34
Given that Elvis didn't meet Priscilla until after his mother died, this sounds like a very questionable quote to put in without context. Is this confirmed by actual eyewitnesses or in Elaine Dundy's book? ~ trialsanderrors 20:21, 3 November 2006 (UTC)
Scapecape: this is a highly unlikely quote since Gladys was dead before Elvis met Priscilla. Source and quote?
Gladys did drink a little in the end... or something... BUT... I think it is not worth to mention here! Why? Because it gives the wrong comprehension. Dumb reader reads it and thinks that Gladys was some kind of... of... whatever... but no... Gladys was very loving mother and nice human cooking cookies for neighbor kids and everything... He drank, but I'm sure he wasn't alcoholic!
This is my first post, and I'm kind of new at this, so sorry if I bungle things up. Anyway, I was reading the first section of this entry, and this part was really grating to me (cuz I guess I'm a grammar Nazi) ---
His death was premature at 42, despite alarming concerns about his health. When he died on August 16, 1977, it was a huge shock to his fans. However, it soon became clear that a combination of over-work, obesity, depression, bad diet and severe abuse of prescription drugs, accelerated his premature departure. However, much confusion, conflict, contradictions and general controversy still surrounds his death. Regardless, his popularity as a singer has survived his death.
There is repetition, and a misuse of the word "despite." My recommendation would be to change it to the following:
He died a premature death at the age of 42 on August 16, 1977. His death was a huge shock to his fans, but there were alarming concerns over his health -- in particular, his combination of over-work, obesity, depression, bad diet and severe abuse of prescription drugs. Despite the conspiracy theories and general controversy that still surround his death, his popularity as a singer has survived him.
-- This1kid 05:01, 10 November 2006 (UTC)
His death wasn't premature as he overdosed on 14 different drugs, a probable suicide.
Scapecape: hearsay. there is no evidence substantiating an OD or suicide. There is evidence however pointing at a POSSIBLE polyfarmic death. Whether or not dies from an OD does not mean a death is not premature!
Suzy Floyd: Factual evidence ie. death certificate proves that Elvis Presley died of Heart Failure.
Presley was going blind, faced bankruptcy and feared he had bone cancer. His death from OD on 14 different drugs was almost certainly a suicide, Eddie Murphy bought his suicide note at auction. If somebody abuses 10,000 drugs in eight months they are going to die. Presley may only have been 42, but he had the body of a 70-year-old man. His death was NOT premature.
The article needs to be amended because nobody can ever prove Presley did not mnake those remarks, just as his critics cannot prove he said them. All we know is that he wasn't in Boston that year.
Elvis' middle name is spelled "Aaron" not "Aron" -November 10, 2006 -Emily Hicks, New London, Iowa (moose_in_a_sweatervest@hotmail.com)
Scapecape: Elvis Aron Presley was his name of birth. Elvis Aaron Presley his name of death.
Theres so much crap in certain sections. Theres practically whole interviews in some sections and several untrue accusations. Most of the sections projects Elvis in a bad light, mind you, some parts are not facts but seem as a biased rant of a bitter person.
Because anybody who knows a fig about Elvis can quickly pick out everything written by user onefortyone. Also--using Dee Stanley or Albert Goldman as sources is pretty laughable. Also--the racist comment attributed to a non-existent Boston interview that never happened (Elvis didn't even go to Boston that year) has been proven false, and Elvis' interactions and camaraderie with African Americans has been well-documented. Jet magazine even interviewed Elvis himself about the false accusation.
Scapecape. Indeed this Wikipedia article is full of it. Too bad. Missed opportunity for Wikipedia to show itself.
Albert Goldman wrote a book about John Lennon which also stated Lennon had homosexual tendencies and the book was blasted by those who knew Lennon as being totally false. It is noted, quite conspicuously, that the bio on John Lennon on this very same site, does not include the slanderous passages from Albert Goldman's book. Therefore these comments about Elvis have been deleted.
Again if you care to turn over to John Lennon's bio on this very same site: there are no derogatory passages quoted from Albert Goldman's book on John Lennon in the Lennon article on this Wikipedia site. Albert Goldman's book on Lennon was denounced not only by fans but also by Paul McCartney himself. Contributors are deliberately trying to slander Elvis in the article on Elvis Presley. Encyclopiedias should not be biased. John Lennon's article is favourable while Elvis Presley's is not. Why is that when there has been unfavourable books printed out Lennon as well as Presley. Why quote those books for Elvis and not Lennon? Because the contributor are biased? Wikipedia is showing itself to be extremley unprofessional.
~~Suzulu~~
Dee Presley was a person who was motivated by money to write her book as Elvis left no provision for her in his Will. Those who knew Elvis stated Dee Presley's book was lies. ~~Suzulu~~
You would think all people tell the truth? Just to inform you not all people do. Everyone else who knew and were close to Elvis have never said anything derogotory about him. Ann-Margret herself said Dee Stanley Presley's stories were lies. I referred previously to her as some quotes from her book were included in this discussion page; I see they have been removed.
Any Beatles fans here - do you love John Lennon?Do you also think Mr Albert Goldman is a thorough knowledgeable reasearcher? Well then you must have been delighted to read Mr Goldman's book "The Lives of John Lennon" where it is stated that John picked up male prostitutes in Thailand! AND had an affair with Brian Epstein. A thorough knowledgeable researcher ? John Paul George and Ringo lovers must have delighted in Mr Goldman's tales in "Elvis" but their faces would be in mud after Mr Goldman's slaying of Lennon.-- Suzulu 03:27, 27 April 2007 (UTC)
Could people please sign their comments here. Keep it about the article and personal feeling and opinions out. -- Xiahou 22:07, 20 April 2007 (UTC)
There is al lot of material on him on Youtube. I miss his music and performances in the article. When did he perform and what are his albums. search for Elvis Presley on Youtube-- Freek Verkerk 22:50, 18 November 2006 (UTC)
Elvis Presley is very clearly a tenor that liked to use his lower range as he got older. Please check out the last four notes he sings on "It's Now Or Never". This songs melody is taken from the famous tenor song "O Sole Mio" which is often performed by world renouned tenors such as Enrico Caruso and Luciano Pavarotti. A baritone would struggle to sing this melody smoothly. Also, in his Sun Recordings he uses more of his upper range. I will update with the exact chest voice notes Elvis has hit.
I do not believe that Elvis ever recorded a high B, and the quote from the professor is dubious and needs citation. Elvis' vocal gift was not his vocal range but rather the quality of his performances, both vocal and otherwise. -- Ssilvers 23:57, 18 November 2006 (UTC)
Can anyone please tell me if it was lindsay lohan who played priscilla in the mini-series. Its been annoying me for a while. thanks! ( FearSneachta 10:04, 21 November 2006 (UTC))
A separate section needs to be dedicated to a filmography. Or perhaps a separate article on it would be necessary. Ekantik 05:50, 27 November 2006 (UTC)
What album is that? It sounds pretty good. 147.145.40.43 23:54, 30 November 2006 (UTC)
It's actually Elvis' version of Promised Land by Chuck Berry. Jason 00:20, 8 December 2006 (UTC)
This article's introduction is hard to read. Can we not have simple declarative sentences without clogging the introduction with details?-- Filll 14:40, 1 December 2006 (UTC)
This article needs some information about his being backed up by The Jordanaires, and after 1970, The Imperials. 76.211.18.221 03:29, 3 December 2006 (UTC)
Don't forget to mention The Sweet Inspirations, Kathy Westmoreland, J.D. Sumner and the Stamps Quartet, James Burton, Ronnie Tutt, Glen D. Hardin, Jerry Scheff, Voice, Sherill Nielsen, Charlie Hodge, Joe Guercio's Orchestra, etc... all of which were parts of Elvis' '70s live shows.
I have rewritten parts of the special to tie in with my substantial revision and expansion of the separate article on the Special Rikstar 22:39, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
The discussion/archive pages are quite irritating and depressing to read in places. In the absence of any criticism (so far) of my '68 Special article, I find myself actually thinking about making major, much needed revisions to this article, in this case condensing it and possibly creating extra links. However I am put off by the thought of the time it will take, and the inevitable co-editing that will come from those who have already made this article sub-standard. I think Mr. Presley deserves better... Rikstar 09:32, 8 December 2006 (UTC)
Have started clean up of The final years. Using past tense, making less subjective Rikstar 15:34, 17 December 2006 (UTC)
Someone is messing with the article. Adding stupid one line new topics and has removed the picture. I will not have someone messing with Mr. Presley. Stop this shit damnit. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Da Main Event ( talk • contribs) 11:30, 13 December 2006 (UTC).
Sorry mate, "Mr Presley" left the building 30 years ago when the obese blind racist drug addict overdosed on the can.
All of the albums from the list have been created as of today! I'm not an Elvis expert, so I'm calling on the Elvisphiles to fill in the blanks - I have marked them as stubs. SkierRMH 08:35, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
This needs a mention. Circa 1966? - Kittybrewster 12:53, 17 December 2006 (UTC)
There is a sentence that reads "This man is a pathetic individual who was addicted to pornography", and now only very few people can remove it. Please do so.
This article is a mess. I'll just point out one example that might otherwise escape notice, because it has a pair of cites next to it: it claims he's an eighth degree black belt in Kenpo. That's a completely ludicrous rank; unless he found a total McDojo, it can't be correct. It was my understanding that he was perhaps a first or second degree. Someone can train with dedication their whole adult life and never make it to eighth dan. -- GenkiNeko 19:02, 22 December 2006 (UTC)
Something I have not seen mentioned or addressed in the articles I've read about Elvis -- was that he did it all without EVER touring outside of the United States...!! Apparently he wanted to and had offers and backing to do so, but the Colonel (Parker) disagreed with the notion and would not allow it. I recall seeing this on a PBS special about Elvis.
He was stationed in Germany during his hitch in the Army, which may have included some travel to other European countries; his movies were sometimes set outside the US - but did he ever work, travel or vacation abroad, or was he too busy here in the US?
Input please...
Dirty Dan the Man 18:40, 26 December 2006 (UTC)
That Elvis never toured or travelled outside the US because Parker didn't have a passport and was technically an illegal immigrant etc. is a complete myth (NOT A MYTH!). Come on, he was elvis's manager for god sakes, regardless of that if he had wanted a green card the government would just have given him one anyway.
Especially given the fact that Elvis loved touring, Parker was a minor problem - the real reason Elvis didn't tour internationally was that he simply couldn't, as we all know even as early as 1970 elvis already had a huge drug habit -uppers, downers and later narcotics (powerful painkillers). He would obviously have had major problems taking the quantities of drugs he needed and used across borders through customs, although in fairness, these had always been legally prescribed to him in the US though.
His own people have said this.
Ah las, all those asian and european chicks he missed out on.
Andreas Cornelius van Kuijk a.k.a. Colonel Tom Parker was an illegal Dutch immigrant, who was so protective of his identity as an illegal (having possibly done something in Holland that made him leave--there is much conjecture about this including having been booted from the Dutch Army for being mentally unstable)... Regardless, Colonel Parker's secret was kept from even Elvis, himself. Nobody in Elvis' close circle knew until Elvis' death. The satellite Aloha concert is thought to have been the Colonel's answer to Elvis' growing enthusiasm for a foreign tour--something he had first mentioned in 1960 and mentioned often during the '70s as something he wished to do.
Elvis famously made a visit to Paris, France and I believe the transatlantic ship stopped in England. He lived in Bad Nauheim, Germany from the end of 1958 'til early 1960, while in the U.S. Army during the Cold War.
Scapecape: Elvis did perform outside the USA. In Canada to be precise.
2 April. Toronto, Can. Maple Leaf Gardens (2 shows)
3 April. Ottawa, Can. Auditorium (2 shows)
This was in 1957.
Besides, Aloha was not constructed by Tom Parker, but rather an idea of RCA. His drug abuse is something that a lot of people don't want to understand appearently, because as such it was not a problem. Elvis used legit medication. One can also get addicted to those, tho. What could be a problem is that his entourage did use illegal substances and subsequently could have caused big problems for Elvis.
And yes, Tom Parker was an illegal alien. Not myth but fact.
As his friends testify, Elvis's drug usage was a big problem, and the drugs were really heavy duty, at least in the later years, even though "legally" obtained.
In regards to the above paragraphs and travel, in many if not in most countries of the world, the drugs which Elvis was using, like uppers (Dexedrine), liquid cocaine and narcotics (pethedine, morphine etc.), are legal but cannot just be obtained by a prescription from a General Practicioner!!! They are strictly controlled and there usually has to be an authority issued from the Health Department or hospital, like for people suffering from cancer and other prolonged serious illness. Even in various western countries some of this stuff is illegal, period. (Downers are easy to get from a GP though).
If he had wanted to go on a long worldwind tour, then at various Customs in foreign countries, he would have had big headaches - he could not have given a medically legitimate reason as to why he regularly needed and was in posession of these (very large numbers) of dangerous drugs, even if they had been (mass) prescribed to him back in the US. Not to mention that a few of these drugs could well have been illegal in some of the countries he visited. He would of had to get his people to go on the black market for the stuff - not very practical, and risky. Unlike in the US where he always had some quack GP hand out drugs to him like candy.
And yes, I know that it was a fact, not myth that Parker was an illegal alien, but that wasn't the point I was making!!
If you think these points are trivial, consider that if one suffers badly from alcoholism, they tend to set up their lives so as to avoid any situation, for example such as travelling to see relatives for a lengthy period, where they will not be able to drink freely without drawing attention or shame, or to other places for some period of time, where booze simply will not be available.
Is there an article about Elvis' father?-- Vayaka 14:55, 17 January 2007 (UTC)
Every single thing this Harvey Carter has put here about Elvis is total nonsense and outright hateful fiction. Why is it here? In fact much of what is here about Elvis is based on unproven allegations or is simply total lies and hateful BS. Most of the whole page on Elvis should be erased!
The lies about his sexual preferences, (which were "straight" according to every close and credible person who ever knew him) the false BS regarding his musical influences,(which were many and from which he created his own style and sound) his alleged disdain for and comments about blacks shining his shoes, it's total BS! Elvis had MANY black friends including Muhammed Ali, James Brown, Jackie Wlson, Little Richard, Joe Hunter, Fats Domino, BB King, the list is long, and none of them ever even had a hint that Elvis was "racist" against blacks! It's BS! This place is disgraceful.
Wikiencyclopedia seems to be full of contributors who are trying to imply that most celebrities are gay based on pure heresay. Also it seems that when it is implied regarding certain celebrities it is implied in a derogatory sense; whereas for certain celebrities it is implied favourably. I think this whole place is run by a gay community determined to "out" every celebrity there is whether that person is straight or gay. I agree with comments made in the previous paragraphs by an unnamed contributor: all factual evidence proves Elvis was straight and not a racist. Everything else implied is sheer gossip/heresay and there is no excuse for this type of gutter press. This is supposed to be an encyclopedia.--
Suzulu
06:27, 27 April 2007 (UTC)
Presley was indeed a homosexual who had sex with Nick Adams and his own mother. He only became famous by stealing black music. JHe was the most racist man who ever lived. No wonder MJ hated him. ( Chunda18 11:37, 11 May 2007 (UTC))
The following pharagraph is not correct:
On his third and final appearance (January 6, 1957) on ) on the The Ed Sullivan Show, Sullivan was so impressed by Presley that he pointed to him and told the audience "This is a real decent, fine boy. We've never had a pleasanter experience on our show with a big name than we've had with you ... You're thoroughly all right." Presley remains the only one on Sullivan's show to have received such a warm and personal accolade. However, it has also been said that Presley's manager orchestrated the compliment in exchange for permitting Presley to appear, after Sullivan had earlier publicly stated his refusal to allow Presley on his program.
I have a copy of the "The Four Complete Historic Ed Sullivan Shows Featuring The Beatles..." and I recall the Sullivan could not heap enough of these similar praises towars the Beatles at the conclusion of their February 23, 1964 appearance on the Ed Sullivan Show --- the line in bold should probably be removed.
Say baby, that is one big hunk o' pharagraph; it is just too much...>b>don't be cruel, how about maybe subtitling --- or at least enbolding their names --- of these former Presley girlfriends.
You all should also be aware that the Tennessee Arts Commission and the Office of the [Tennessee] First Lady have released a dvd of the Tennessee Governor's Mansion (a fundraiser for the renovation of the Tennessee Governor's Mansion that has some signficant footage of a youthful EP in Nashville speaking before the Tennessee General Assembly, visiting the Governor's Mansion, and an interview with a daughter of former Governor Ellington who stated that she and Elvis had dated for "a year and a half".
Well, the Junkyard Dog can't edit this, so he's just going to say it here. There's repetition of a quote by Jimmy C in the Political Beliefs section. someone should take care of it.
I'm not sure how reliable this source is, but William Dakota (*1938) claims to have worked as Nick Adams's secretary for some time. As his writings indicate, he seems to have had intimate knowledge about a lot of people in Hollywood, among them Elvis. Curiously, some time ago, this author also visited Wikipedia. See [5], [6]. Here are some interesting excerpts from his article, "Elvis was bisexual":
If Dakota is right, these quotes strongly suggest that Elvis and his best friend Nick Adams were indeed bisexual. See Bill Dakota, "Elvis was bisexual" Onefortyone 01:31, 14 February 2007 (UTC)
There is nothing credible about Bill Dakota. He was never a real friend of Elvis nor part of his close posse, and Elvis was a private person who did not have people he didn't know lurking around. There is no "factual" evidence that Elvis Presley was ever anything other than "heterosexual" nor ever engaged in anything other than heterosexual sex. Every credible person who was close to or ever truly knew Elvis throughout his life said he was without question "heterosexual" and deplored homosexual activity.
Bill Dakota is another hack like Dee Stanley, who Elvis openly never excepted as his stepmother and she was trying to make a buck off his name with a book full of lies after his death, and Albert Goldman was even worse. Goldman clearly had nothing but disdain for Elvis as his entire book showed, and he also hated John Lennon whom he wrote a similar hit piece on after Lennon's death. He is simply not credible nor are his opinions or claims in his book which some are here on Elvis' page. Nothing more than hit pieces.
.[66] In his book, Elvis, Albert Goldman writes that, after his return to America, Presley "was a changed man. ... His first TV appearances, particularly his queer showing on Frank Sinatra Welcome Home Party for Elvis Presley, testify to the change in the man that underlay the change in the image. ... After the Army, Elvis appeared very delicate and vulnerable, as if he were recovering from major surgery. He wringed his hands as he talked. He became extremely wary. With his preposterous Little Richard conk, his limp wrist, girlish grin and wobbly knees, which now turned out, instead of in, he looked outrageously gay."
The quote above from Goldman's book should NOT be included in Elvis' bio page and I would like for it to be removed. This is not only just Goldman's OPINION, but an opinion from a guy who had intense disdain for Presley and whose entire book demonstrated this! The entire book was condemned as trash by Elvis' friends in and out of the entertainment business, his Memphis Mafia group, his family, fans and critics. The way that Goldman quote is placed in Elvis' page it appears as if it's a credible statement that Elvis was "gay" and looked gay, and this was just one idiot hater's opinion, not a "fact"! Elvis slept with hundreds of women and there has never been even as much as a "picture" to even suggest he was ever with a man sexually in any way. It's a LIE! Remove it, please!
Not only did Presley have sex with Nick Adams, he also had an obsession with James Dean. No wonder Marlon hated him.
Why isn't this article tagged for length? Quadzilla99 08:46, 17 February 2007 (UTC)
Elvis had other health problems not mentioned in the article and they should be added:
Some sources say that Elvis had diabetes, which he hid from the public, including http://www.sfu.ca/aq/archives/may2003/diabetes.html
On Youtube, "The Last 24 Hours" can be seen. In it, Larry Geller states that elvis had high blood sugar, which would indicate diabetes.
He had an enlarged colon as well as hypertension ( http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/style/longterm/elvis/epobit.htm)
Also, he had an enlarged heart ( http://www.elvis.com.au/presley/marian_cocke_remembers_elvis_presley.shtml).
Also, Kathy Westmoreland, one of his girlfriends has some other suggestions, although I am uncertain of the legitimacy of them. They include anemia, three previous heart attacks, as well as cancer (which is referred to already in the article). —The preceding
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04:14, 26 February 2007 (UTC).
Is that real? -- Toytoy 05:14, 2 March 2007 (UTC)
There is no mention of this rather interesting tidbit. -- Vranak 06:42, 3 March 2007 (UTC)
Under "Elvis as a victim of Blackmail", there is the phrase, "...are of the opinion that he had molestated the star himself." As far as I know "molestated" is not a word and should be "molested". As a new user I cannot edit this article, so either someone else can change it or I will in a few days--if I remember to do so. Qgroff 16:53, 9 March 2007 (UTC)
Long and lame —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Q8-falcon ( talk • contribs) 13:13, 13 March 2007 (UTC).
your right it needs more information on his family and his history.
In the beginning of the article it says "... American singer, musician ..." Wouldn't this be considered redundant? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 70.118.97.76 ( talk) 20:52, 18 March 2007 (UTC).
Sinatra or the rest of the Rat Pack weren't musicians. Neither was James Brown, Wilson Pickett, Tiffany, nor Madonna. There's still hope for Michael Jackson, though.
Elvis > All
supposedly was a big fan, per AOL..or were they his?
Elvis was a big Monty Python fan : that was said in Sammy Davis Jnr biography and also by several of his friends in some video specials on Presley.-- Suzulu 06:23, 27 April 2007 (UTC)
With all due respect to Rolling Stone, the term "race music", which was a term that was preferred by the black community at one time, was replaced by the term rhythm and blues in 1948. Using the term "race music" when talking about Elvis in 1954 and 1955 is misleading. It's about 6 years out of date to have anything to do with Elvis. I understand that this is a direct quote, but it should be qualified or eliminated. Steve Pastor 17:40, 20 March 2007 (UTC)
Would I be right in saying that some of his songs may be in the public domain in the UK as it's only 50 years over here before copyright expires on recorded works? I suppose US copyright law prevents us from adding the whole tracks to the article? What if we were to host the tracks on a UK server? Supposed 05:19, 27 April 2007 (UTC)
Here is Amazon.com's description of the book "Beginning with the Royal Ontario Museum's Into the Heart of Africa exhibition, and following through with discussions of Show Boat, Miss Saigon, the exhibition of the Barnes Collection at the Art Gallery of Ontario, the 'Writing Thru Race' conference in Vancouver, and the ill-fated attempts to acquire a licence for a black/dance radio station in Toronto, the authors examine manifestations of racism in Canada's cultural production over the last decade." [7] It is not a book about Elvis, and it is obvious that the authors did not do their homework on "Hound Dog". Furthermore, is is simply not true that Little Richard had been forgotten. Steve Pastor 21:44, 27 April 2007 (UTC)
I'm surprised it's not been mentioned anywhere here or on the article. I'm not going to bother putting it in because I wouldn't know where to start, but perhaps someone who would know can do it?
NewYork1956
20:16, 28 April 2007 (UTC)
I've noticed something troubling in the relationship section. Most of the statements don't match the sources cited, or worse are interpretations of them (ie. Original Research), not to mention that there is a great deal of selective quoting with the apparent purpose of creating a new narrative aimed at labeling Presley a homosexual or bisexual who didn't sleep with women much or if at all. This deception doesn't really worry me that much, as no ones going to believe such rubbish anyway (accusing John Holmes of being a virgin would be a similar situation), but we might as well stick to something more accurate. Two of the most reliable primary sources available, Lamar Fike (one of elvis' closest and oldest friends) and David Stanley (Elvis' step brother), both of whom were around Elvis for most of life - and near the end of his life up to 24hrs a day (This is detailed in the book: The Elvis Encyclopedia by David Stanley), state numerous times that Elvis was a frequent womanizer who slept with many women (even during his marriage to Priscilla). They make zero mention of any homosexual relationships or of any incestrous relationships and that have been proposed in hearsay and secondary sources. Also, need I mention that that both these rumours surfaced years after Elvis had died? (hint, hint, exploitation anyone?).
The section is way too long anyway, do we really need an exhaustive list of exactly who elvis screwed, or who taught him 'the joys of oral sex'? I certainly hope not. The shear amount of trash lumped into this section means that to remedy it - and help keep the article more concise - I've condensed it down into a much shorter version (based on a previous revision) that everyone can hopefully add to and improve. It will still need some work, but at least the bias and selective quoting are gone. Mingy Jongo 01:33, 29 April 2007 (UTC)
Here is the complete text of a personal letter from Colonel Parker to his secretary (8/25/58). In 1958, with Elvis Presley serving in the U.S. Army and Colonel Tom Parker conducting business from his management office in Madison, Tennessee, Trude Forsher, Elvis and Parker's personal secretary, took care of business at their offices on the west coast. In this 1958 letter to Mrs. Forsher, Colonel Parker catches up with news after a difficult month in which Elvis' beloved mother, Gladys, passed away. It reads:
Provenance: Trude Forsher Archive (Letter of Authenticity from Mrs. Forsher's son).
This letter proves how close Nick Adams and Judy Spreckels were to the singer at that time. Onefortyone 23:21, 2 May 2007 (UTC)
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Elvis' extensive collection of police badges definitely deserves a mention in the section about Nixon. That section extensively quotes Guralnick, and yet Guralnick makes the argument in his book that just getting the elite federal narcotics badge was the real reason Elvis sought out a meeting with Nixon in the first place. He specifically ASKED Nixon for the badge; it was his idea. I don't see how you can tell the story about Elvis, Nixon, and the badge without mentioning that fact, and Elvis' almost obsessive hobby with collecting police badges.-- 24.107.35.146 04:28, 5 April 2007 (UTC)
Is not Wikipedia supposed to an encyclopedia? Encyclopedias as a rule print facts and figures and do not attempt to make judgments and form biased opinions by quoting, often out of context, only the most slanderous comments from many numerous publications. That is not what an encylcopedia is supposed to be about. It is quite obvious from looking up John Lennon's bio on this very same site that the rules as to what makes up an encyclopedia have been followed with regard to him. Why has no slander been allowed through on his bio while it has been allowed through here on Elvis Presley? That is biased. Albert Goldman stated John Lennon was homosexual. User:Suzulu
The whole article on Elvis Presley has been edited due to slanderous abuse. It is noted that in the bio of John Lennon on this site, passages from Albert Goldman's derogatory biography have not been included. Yet Goldman's derogatory passages about Elvis were printed. Both Goldman's books about Elvis and Lennon have been proven incorrect by the people that knew them. User:Suzulu
I can't be wrong because people who knew Elvis (with the exception of Dee Presley, who has been called a liar by Elvis' friends and family including Ann-Margret) have never said anything derogatory about Elvis in the years after Goldman published that book. Fans and people who knew both Elvis Presley and John Lennnon have stated that Albert Goldman's two books on those celebrities are wrong. Paul McCartney himself stated that Albert Goldman was a liar regarding John Lennon. Rolling Stone magazine states that 99% of what was said about Elvis in Goldman's book was totally unfounded. Albert Goldman detests rock'n'roll and has stated in interviews and other books about the rock'n'roll phenomenon that he believes rock 'n' roll singers are all latently homosexual and that the music itself is laced with homosexuality. User:Suzulu
"...shows on June 19, in Omaha, Nebraska & 21 (in Rapid City, South Dakota) were recorded..."
It needs little editing... like putting "in Omaha, Nebraska" into ( ) or "in Rapid City, South Dakota" out of ( ).
Elvis' health needs more attention. He was very sick person, but here they repeats infinitely "drugs, fat, drugs, fat..." In addition of those which are already mentioned he had diabetes, anemia, problems with liver, high blood pressure, enlarged colon, constipation, Kathy has told about his genetically sick heart, which was twice the size on one side as it was on the other, and so on and so on...
Wikipedia made an attempt to slander Elvis Presley by including sections of Albert Goldman's book. If Albert Goldman is correct then John Lennon's friends family and fans must be reeling to find out from Goldman in "The Lives of John Lennon" that Lennon picked up male prostitutes in Thailand!!? and had an affair with Brian Epstein!
Is it "The Hilbilly Cat" or "The Hillbilly Cat" right?
Sorry I too not wanting to tread on anyones toes (for the person who wrote this about Elvis) but I disagree with the "fact" *Presley's birth certificate uses the spelling Aron, but his estate has designated Aaron as the official spelling of his middle name. It is spelled Aron because of his twin brother that died at birth, Garon, so Elvis would always have a part of his brother with him.* In fact he was actually born Elvis Aaron Presley but he later changed it to be just Elvis Aron, he was initally called Elvis Aaron correct because his twin brother was Jesse Garon but as I have mentioned he later changed this to be the spelling of Aron (just one A).
His grave has the incorrect spelling on it also, as it is spelt Aaron.
Thank You.
FOLLOW UP: This may be true. However, in the documentary produced about his life, THIS IS ELVIS, Aron is the spelling used on Presley's duffel bag in the military sequences. This could only have occurred if he specified the spelling himself. In my opinion, Aron should be the correct spelling.
however. no one cares what his middle name was or what it was spelled like. elvis is alive so why don't you ask him?
--His birth-certificate is "Aron" not "Aaron". He changed it late in life to "Aaron" because it was the biblical spelling rather than the one he was born with--a common early 20th century practice was rhyming names (I have this in my own family), thus "Elvis Aron" and "Jesse Garon".
Everybody seems to be about "half-right" so far. Here's the direct quote on it from the FAQ of elvis's official graceland page.
http://www.elvis.com/elvisology/faq/faq.asp?qid=11 For those that don't read: Intended to be Aron, certificate said Aaron, he wanted it switched to Aaron for biblical purposes, Family respected his wishes for the tombstone. 66.119.27.235 18:11, 23 March 2007 (UTC)
66.168.134.159 11:05, 28 April 2007 (UTC)I'm concerned about the first paragraph of the bio which states that Elvis's twin's name was Aaron, which is totally incorrect. The twin's name was Jesse (or Jessie, some conflict there, too) Garon Presley.
I was quite shocked when I discovered that no one has even tried to nominate this article to be a FA (you are supposed to be able to see failed nominations on the TalkPage, right?).
I really don't know much about Elvis except that he sang a lot and women loved him.
But this article has it all, doesn't it? Lot's of info, but still relevant info... references, inline references, interesting info... you name it.
The only thing that I don't like is the heading "Girls! Girls! Girls!". I know that "Girls!" was a great part of Elvis life, but Wikipedia is an encyclopedia. Surely you're not saying we would find such a heading in a true encyclopedia.
So
Just some thoughts (from a newb...).
81.170.138.232 19:11, 21 October 2006 (UTC)
It should be its own page. Like Bob Marley.
Anyone? I'm all ears........ 81.170.138.232 21:51, 21 October 2006 (UTC)
It should be its own page.
Oh God! Who keeps removing the cult-section? Can the person please atleast mention that she/he is doing it in the TalkPage? I put it back up but now someone has removed it once again. Atleast I STATE why I put it back and what I changed! Thankyou! 81.170.138.232 22:33, 21 October 2006 (UTC)
The following article is being considered for deletion (see [1]):
Can this content be merged into the article? Onefortyone 01:22, 22 October 2006 (UTC)
Every contributor to the request for deletion (other than you) noted that the article should be deleted. See [ here]. The incident takes up one page out of 663 of the FBI files. Tne one page never says that he made passes at Elvis but do note that Landau was most likely metally disturbed. As two seperate editors noted, it's not relevant. Lochdale 01:25, 22 October 2006 (UTC)
If there was enough to warrant an actual article it would stand on its own. It can't and it is no more important than the other hundreds of pages of the files. The summary in the article is fine as it currently stands. And if you created the article to avoid an edit war then why did you keep trying to link to the article in the main Presley article? Lochdale 01:51, 22 October 2006 (UTC)
Guralnik et al. reference it barely in passing. As an administrator noted to you, just because it is mentioned does not mean it is relevant. If we go on the basis of what is mentioned then we should add thousands of pages to this article. Lochdale 01:55, 22 October 2006 (UTC)
Hey did you know John Lennon picked up male prostitutes ! or had an affair with Brian Epstein according to Albert Goldman in "The Lives of John Lennon". Mr Goldman also did a lovely slaying of Elvis. I hope people are quite aware that not everything that gets published is true!?
I think this is not acceptable. Here is the current version he has removed:
This should be its own web page.
It has been claimed that there are over 500 US fan clubs and that they exist in every state except three: North Dakota, Idaho and Wyoming. According to the American Demographics magazine, 84% of the US people say that their lives have been touched by Elvis Presley in some way, 70% have watched a movie starring Presley, 44% have danced to one of his songs, 31% have bought an Elvis record, CD or video, 10% have visited Graceland, 9% have bought Elvis memorabilia, 9% have read a book about Presley, and 5% have seen the singer in concert. [2] Not all of these people are Elvis fans. A collection of essays entitled The Adoring Audience: Fan Culture and Popular Media critically examines what distinguishes fans from general audiences and explores the relationship between fans and their adored media products. Part of this volume is the article, "Fandom and Gender" which includes an examination of female fantasies of Presley. [3] To many of his female fans, the songs Presley sang "were secondary to his personality and the way he performed them," evoking the well-known emotional responses. [4] In her autobiographical article, "Sexing Elvis" (1984), Sue Wise even describes "how she came to terms with her lesbianism through a close identification with the feminine side of the King." [5] "Elvis's 'effect' on young girls threatened those men who assumed that young girls needed to be protected both from sex in general and from its expression in questionable characters like Elvis in particular." [6] "Perhaps it is an error of enthusiasm to freight Elvis Presley with too heavy a historical load", as, according to a public opinion poll among high school students in 1957, Pat Boone was "the nearly two-to-one favorite over Elvis Presley among boys and preferred almost three-to-one by girls"; yet, Presley "clearly outshines the other performers in rocknroll's first pantheon." [7]
There can be no doubt that it was primarily "the recording industry, which made Elvis Presley a mythical media demigod." [8] On August 16, thousands of die-hard Elvis fans travel to Graceland every year in order to celebrate the anniversary of Presley's death. [9] The ritualization of the Elvis cult is also manifested most prominently through the many live performances by Elvis impersonators. [10] According to Marjorie Garber, "The phenomenon of 'Elvis impersonators,' which began long before the singer's death, is one of the most startling effects of the Elvis cult. [11] What is more, David S. Wall has shown that many authors who are writing books and articles on Presley are part of a "worldwide Elvis industry" which has a tendency towards supporting primarily a favorable view of the star. The content of the majority of these publications can be characterized as based on gossip about gossip, only occasionally providing some new surprising details. There are not many critical, unfavorable publications on Elvis's life. An example is Albert Goldman's controversial biography, Elvis (1981), in which the author unfavorably discusses the star's weight problems, his performing costumes and his sex life. Such books are frequently disparaged and harshly attacked by Elvis fan groups. Professor Wall has pointed out that one of the strategies of the various fan clubs and appreciation societies to which the bulk of Elvis fans belong is " 'community policing' to achieve governance at a distance... These organisations have, through their membership magazines, activities and sales operations, created a powerful moral majority" endeavoring to suppress most critical voices. "With a combined membership of millions, the fans form a formidable constituency of consumer power." [12] According to David Lowenthal, "Everything from Disneyland to the Holocaust Museum, ... from Elvis memorabilia to the Elgin Marbles bears the marks of the cult of heritage." [13] "When it's an exhibition of Elvis memorabilia," even Marilyn Houlberg, professor at the School of the Art Institute of Chicago, "puts on the campy art-world hat and becomes a priestess of the Elvis cult." [14] Paul A. Cantor goes as far as to call the American Presley cult "a postmodern simulacrum of the German Hitler cult." [15] Some fan groups even refuse to accept the fact of the star's death in 1977 (see the "Elvis lives?" section of this article). In his book Elvis after Elvis: The Posthumous Career of a Living Legend (1996), Gilbert Rodman traces in detail Presley's manifestations in contemporary popular and not-so-popular culture. He draws upon the many Elvis "sightings," from Elvis's appearances at the heart of the 1992 presidential campaign to the debate over his worthiness as a subject for a postage stamp, and from Elvis's central role in furious debates about racism and the appropriation of African-American music to the world of Elvis impersonators and the importance of Graceland as a place of pilgrimage for fans and followers. The author further points out that Presley has become inseparable from many of the defining myths of US culture, enmeshed with the American Dream and the very idea of the "United States," caught up in debates about race, gender, and sexuality, and in the wars over what constitutes a national culture. This Presley cult has been much criticized. "As one reader complained: I was really surprised that you used that article about the boring Elvis cult! You would use one on McDonald's?" [16]
Indeed, there are not only positive voices concerning the singer and his life. During the early years of his career, Country blues guitarist Mississippi Slim constantly criticized Elvis. [17] According to Jennifer Harrison, "Elvis faced criticism more often than appreciation" from a small town in South Memphis. [18] "Much criticism has been heaped on Elvis, the Colonel, and others who controlled his creative (or not so creative) output, especially during the Hollywood years." [19] According to Robert A. Segal, Elvis was "a consummate mamma's boy who lived his last twenty years as a recluse in a womblike, infantile world in which all of his wishes were immediately satisfied yet who deemed himself entirely normal, in fact 'all-American.'" [20] When a CBS special on Presley was aired on October 3, 1977, shortly after the singer's death, it "received such harsh criticism that it is hard to imagine what the public response to Elvis's degeneration would have been if he had been alive." This special "only seemed to confirm the rumors of drug abuse." [21] In a recent study on the analogy of trash and rock 'n' roll, professor of English and drummer Steven Hamelman demonstrates that rock 'n' roll productions are often trash, that critics often trash rock 'n' roll productions, and that rock 'n' roll musicians often trash their lives. The author uses the tortured lives and premature deaths of Presley, John Lennon and Kurt Cobain in his section on "waste" in order to underscore the literal and figurative "waste" that, in his opinion, is part of rock 'n' roll. [22] However, one of the most frequent points of criticism is the overweight and androgyny of the late Las Vegas Presley. Time Out says that, "As Elvis got fatter, his shows got glammier." [23] It has been said that the star, when he "returned to Las Vegas, heavier, in pancake makeup, wearing a white jumpsuit with an elaborate jewelled belt and cape, crooning pop songs to a microphone ... had become Liberace. Even his fans were now middle-aged matrons and blue-haired grandmothers, who praised him as a good son who loved his mother; Mother's Day became a special holiday for Elvis's fans." [24] According to several modern gender studies, the singer had, like Liberace, presented "variations of the drag queen figure" in his final stages in Las Vegas, when he excessively used eye shadow, gold lamé suits and jumpsuits. [25] Although described as a male sex symbol, Elvis was "insistently and paradoxically read by the culture as a boy, a eunuch, or a 'woman' – anything but a man," and in his Las Vegas white "Eagle" jumpsuit, designed by costumer Bill Belew, he appeared like "a transvestite successor to Marlene Dietrich." [26] Indeed, Elvis had been "feminized", as Joel Foreman put it. [27] Thus, "Elvis' death did occur at a time when it could only help his reputation. Just before his death, Elvis had been forgotten by society." He was chiefly "referred to as 'overweight and over-the-hill.'" [28]
I agree that this 'criticism' section of the article is also just voicing opinions of people who just don't like Presley plain and simple. It is not relevant knowlege to be included in an encyclopedia. Regarding the jumpsuit and glitter era: just about every rock singer was doing the same thing in the 70s - remember Donny Osmond, David Cassidy, Sly Stone (see Woodstock movie) Most of those singers are not remembered in the way that Elvis is.
This case is now closed and the results have been published at the link above.
For the Arbitration committee. Cowman109 Talk 20:41, 5 December 2006 (UTC)
OK! Now I have added some references to sources where it previously said "citation needed". I screwed up in one way but lets talk about that later. First of all, I want some people to check my references, AFTER reading what I have to say about them.
First of all, the "retrieved"-part of a references should state which date it was when I (the person who found the source) found it, right?
I have added references to two facts
How I screwed up? Well when I made this edit, I forgot the edit summary. I also forgot to mark the edit with an m (minor edit). Is it possible to fix this?
PLEASE CHECK THE OUTLOOK/FORM OF THE REFERENCES IN THE NOTE-SECTION!!!
Waiting for some feedback!
Edit: I always forget about this: PureRumble 13:52, 22 October 2006 (UTC)
OK! Here comes a summary of every reference I have inserted so far (except those that I have already mentioned above):
Feedback Please! I also want to know if it is safe and OK to delete the "Charlotte, North Carolina"-thing that I wrote about here above? It's not important that he said it in Charlotte, and we only have a source that backs up the fact that he said that quote, not where he said it. PureRumble 15:05, 22 October 2006 (UTC)
This paragraph of the article is followed by a "citation needed"-mark
Peter Guralnick's book, Careless Love: The Unmaking of Elvis Presley (1999), "drug use was heavily implicated in this unanticipated death of a middle-aged man with no known history of heart disease...no one ruled out the possibility of anaphylactic shock brought on by the codeine pills he had gotten from his dentist, to which he was known to have had a mild allergy of long standing...There was little disagreement in fact between the two principal laboratory reports and analyses filed two months later, with each stating a strong belief that the primary cause of death was polypharmacy, and the BioScience Laboratories report...indicating the detection of fourteen drugs in Elvis' system, ten in significant quantity."
But I don't understand. Doesn't it already give us a reference? "Peter Guralnick's book, Careless Love: The Unmaking of Elvis Presley (1999)"? PureRumble 15:59, 22 October 2006 (UTC)
Scapecape: hearsay. This is not factual, just a mere opinion. It was known that Elvis suffered from high bloodpressure, fluid retention, liver problems and other diseases which effect the heart. The fact that Elvis had 14 different medicines in his body at his time of death is at most an indication, since all medicines were prescribed and within therapeutic levels!
Taking 14 different drugs at once was illegal and they were all prescribed illegally by his quack surgeon "Dr Nick", who was later struck off. A definite suicide because Presley was going blind, was obese, mentally ill, faced bankruptcy and feraed he had bone cancer.
So let's see... it's clearly not a encyclopedic-heading. The section is about the women that Elvis was involved with. And the fact that there is a movie/book/song/whatever with the title "Girls! Girls! Girls!" Just makes it all worse! Not a single word in that section mentions ANYTHING about this movie/book/song/whatever "Girls! Girls! Girls!". So tell me, why should the heading be "Girls! Girls! Girls!"? PureRumble 18:58, 22 October 2006 (UTC)
It is implied in this section of the article that Elvis wasn't into sex, as if to say that there is something queer with that. A man doesn't have to be having sex constantly to prove he's heterosexual. All it meant was, and this fact is also pointed out in Suzanne Finstead's book, that Elvis was merely sensitive in a time when most men were not, was a romantic (and also he was afraid of getting girls pregnant).-- Suzulu 06:21, 27 April 2007 (UTC)
There is a substantial difference between making a collection of trivia instead of a proper page, and including a trivia section at the end of a page. The call was to integrate the trivia into the page, NOT to remove it altogether. UberCryxic does not appear to understand the difference, and if he doesn't want a trivia section (which is included at the end of COUNTLESS Wikipedia pages), then I suggest he either integrate the trivia himself before simply cutting it out... or let him go through every page on Wikipedia with such a section, try deleting all those trivia sections, then try to argue his point. Zephyrad 07:33, 24 October 2006 (UTC)
The bio block with his picture says 1933. The body text says 1935....
http://www.usatoday.com/money/2006-10-24-cobain-over-elvis_x.htm?csp=34
Given that Elvis didn't meet Priscilla until after his mother died, this sounds like a very questionable quote to put in without context. Is this confirmed by actual eyewitnesses or in Elaine Dundy's book? ~ trialsanderrors 20:21, 3 November 2006 (UTC)
Scapecape: this is a highly unlikely quote since Gladys was dead before Elvis met Priscilla. Source and quote?
Gladys did drink a little in the end... or something... BUT... I think it is not worth to mention here! Why? Because it gives the wrong comprehension. Dumb reader reads it and thinks that Gladys was some kind of... of... whatever... but no... Gladys was very loving mother and nice human cooking cookies for neighbor kids and everything... He drank, but I'm sure he wasn't alcoholic!
This is my first post, and I'm kind of new at this, so sorry if I bungle things up. Anyway, I was reading the first section of this entry, and this part was really grating to me (cuz I guess I'm a grammar Nazi) ---
His death was premature at 42, despite alarming concerns about his health. When he died on August 16, 1977, it was a huge shock to his fans. However, it soon became clear that a combination of over-work, obesity, depression, bad diet and severe abuse of prescription drugs, accelerated his premature departure. However, much confusion, conflict, contradictions and general controversy still surrounds his death. Regardless, his popularity as a singer has survived his death.
There is repetition, and a misuse of the word "despite." My recommendation would be to change it to the following:
He died a premature death at the age of 42 on August 16, 1977. His death was a huge shock to his fans, but there were alarming concerns over his health -- in particular, his combination of over-work, obesity, depression, bad diet and severe abuse of prescription drugs. Despite the conspiracy theories and general controversy that still surround his death, his popularity as a singer has survived him.
-- This1kid 05:01, 10 November 2006 (UTC)
His death wasn't premature as he overdosed on 14 different drugs, a probable suicide.
Scapecape: hearsay. there is no evidence substantiating an OD or suicide. There is evidence however pointing at a POSSIBLE polyfarmic death. Whether or not dies from an OD does not mean a death is not premature!
Suzy Floyd: Factual evidence ie. death certificate proves that Elvis Presley died of Heart Failure.
Presley was going blind, faced bankruptcy and feared he had bone cancer. His death from OD on 14 different drugs was almost certainly a suicide, Eddie Murphy bought his suicide note at auction. If somebody abuses 10,000 drugs in eight months they are going to die. Presley may only have been 42, but he had the body of a 70-year-old man. His death was NOT premature.
The article needs to be amended because nobody can ever prove Presley did not mnake those remarks, just as his critics cannot prove he said them. All we know is that he wasn't in Boston that year.
Elvis' middle name is spelled "Aaron" not "Aron" -November 10, 2006 -Emily Hicks, New London, Iowa (moose_in_a_sweatervest@hotmail.com)
Scapecape: Elvis Aron Presley was his name of birth. Elvis Aaron Presley his name of death.
Theres so much crap in certain sections. Theres practically whole interviews in some sections and several untrue accusations. Most of the sections projects Elvis in a bad light, mind you, some parts are not facts but seem as a biased rant of a bitter person.
Because anybody who knows a fig about Elvis can quickly pick out everything written by user onefortyone. Also--using Dee Stanley or Albert Goldman as sources is pretty laughable. Also--the racist comment attributed to a non-existent Boston interview that never happened (Elvis didn't even go to Boston that year) has been proven false, and Elvis' interactions and camaraderie with African Americans has been well-documented. Jet magazine even interviewed Elvis himself about the false accusation.
Scapecape. Indeed this Wikipedia article is full of it. Too bad. Missed opportunity for Wikipedia to show itself.
Albert Goldman wrote a book about John Lennon which also stated Lennon had homosexual tendencies and the book was blasted by those who knew Lennon as being totally false. It is noted, quite conspicuously, that the bio on John Lennon on this very same site, does not include the slanderous passages from Albert Goldman's book. Therefore these comments about Elvis have been deleted.
Again if you care to turn over to John Lennon's bio on this very same site: there are no derogatory passages quoted from Albert Goldman's book on John Lennon in the Lennon article on this Wikipedia site. Albert Goldman's book on Lennon was denounced not only by fans but also by Paul McCartney himself. Contributors are deliberately trying to slander Elvis in the article on Elvis Presley. Encyclopiedias should not be biased. John Lennon's article is favourable while Elvis Presley's is not. Why is that when there has been unfavourable books printed out Lennon as well as Presley. Why quote those books for Elvis and not Lennon? Because the contributor are biased? Wikipedia is showing itself to be extremley unprofessional.
~~Suzulu~~
Dee Presley was a person who was motivated by money to write her book as Elvis left no provision for her in his Will. Those who knew Elvis stated Dee Presley's book was lies. ~~Suzulu~~
You would think all people tell the truth? Just to inform you not all people do. Everyone else who knew and were close to Elvis have never said anything derogotory about him. Ann-Margret herself said Dee Stanley Presley's stories were lies. I referred previously to her as some quotes from her book were included in this discussion page; I see they have been removed.
Any Beatles fans here - do you love John Lennon?Do you also think Mr Albert Goldman is a thorough knowledgeable reasearcher? Well then you must have been delighted to read Mr Goldman's book "The Lives of John Lennon" where it is stated that John picked up male prostitutes in Thailand! AND had an affair with Brian Epstein. A thorough knowledgeable researcher ? John Paul George and Ringo lovers must have delighted in Mr Goldman's tales in "Elvis" but their faces would be in mud after Mr Goldman's slaying of Lennon.-- Suzulu 03:27, 27 April 2007 (UTC)
Could people please sign their comments here. Keep it about the article and personal feeling and opinions out. -- Xiahou 22:07, 20 April 2007 (UTC)
There is al lot of material on him on Youtube. I miss his music and performances in the article. When did he perform and what are his albums. search for Elvis Presley on Youtube-- Freek Verkerk 22:50, 18 November 2006 (UTC)
Elvis Presley is very clearly a tenor that liked to use his lower range as he got older. Please check out the last four notes he sings on "It's Now Or Never". This songs melody is taken from the famous tenor song "O Sole Mio" which is often performed by world renouned tenors such as Enrico Caruso and Luciano Pavarotti. A baritone would struggle to sing this melody smoothly. Also, in his Sun Recordings he uses more of his upper range. I will update with the exact chest voice notes Elvis has hit.
I do not believe that Elvis ever recorded a high B, and the quote from the professor is dubious and needs citation. Elvis' vocal gift was not his vocal range but rather the quality of his performances, both vocal and otherwise. -- Ssilvers 23:57, 18 November 2006 (UTC)
Can anyone please tell me if it was lindsay lohan who played priscilla in the mini-series. Its been annoying me for a while. thanks! ( FearSneachta 10:04, 21 November 2006 (UTC))
A separate section needs to be dedicated to a filmography. Or perhaps a separate article on it would be necessary. Ekantik 05:50, 27 November 2006 (UTC)
What album is that? It sounds pretty good. 147.145.40.43 23:54, 30 November 2006 (UTC)
It's actually Elvis' version of Promised Land by Chuck Berry. Jason 00:20, 8 December 2006 (UTC)
This article's introduction is hard to read. Can we not have simple declarative sentences without clogging the introduction with details?-- Filll 14:40, 1 December 2006 (UTC)
This article needs some information about his being backed up by The Jordanaires, and after 1970, The Imperials. 76.211.18.221 03:29, 3 December 2006 (UTC)
Don't forget to mention The Sweet Inspirations, Kathy Westmoreland, J.D. Sumner and the Stamps Quartet, James Burton, Ronnie Tutt, Glen D. Hardin, Jerry Scheff, Voice, Sherill Nielsen, Charlie Hodge, Joe Guercio's Orchestra, etc... all of which were parts of Elvis' '70s live shows.
I have rewritten parts of the special to tie in with my substantial revision and expansion of the separate article on the Special Rikstar 22:39, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
The discussion/archive pages are quite irritating and depressing to read in places. In the absence of any criticism (so far) of my '68 Special article, I find myself actually thinking about making major, much needed revisions to this article, in this case condensing it and possibly creating extra links. However I am put off by the thought of the time it will take, and the inevitable co-editing that will come from those who have already made this article sub-standard. I think Mr. Presley deserves better... Rikstar 09:32, 8 December 2006 (UTC)
Have started clean up of The final years. Using past tense, making less subjective Rikstar 15:34, 17 December 2006 (UTC)
Someone is messing with the article. Adding stupid one line new topics and has removed the picture. I will not have someone messing with Mr. Presley. Stop this shit damnit. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Da Main Event ( talk • contribs) 11:30, 13 December 2006 (UTC).
Sorry mate, "Mr Presley" left the building 30 years ago when the obese blind racist drug addict overdosed on the can.
All of the albums from the list have been created as of today! I'm not an Elvis expert, so I'm calling on the Elvisphiles to fill in the blanks - I have marked them as stubs. SkierRMH 08:35, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
This needs a mention. Circa 1966? - Kittybrewster 12:53, 17 December 2006 (UTC)
There is a sentence that reads "This man is a pathetic individual who was addicted to pornography", and now only very few people can remove it. Please do so.
This article is a mess. I'll just point out one example that might otherwise escape notice, because it has a pair of cites next to it: it claims he's an eighth degree black belt in Kenpo. That's a completely ludicrous rank; unless he found a total McDojo, it can't be correct. It was my understanding that he was perhaps a first or second degree. Someone can train with dedication their whole adult life and never make it to eighth dan. -- GenkiNeko 19:02, 22 December 2006 (UTC)
Something I have not seen mentioned or addressed in the articles I've read about Elvis -- was that he did it all without EVER touring outside of the United States...!! Apparently he wanted to and had offers and backing to do so, but the Colonel (Parker) disagreed with the notion and would not allow it. I recall seeing this on a PBS special about Elvis.
He was stationed in Germany during his hitch in the Army, which may have included some travel to other European countries; his movies were sometimes set outside the US - but did he ever work, travel or vacation abroad, or was he too busy here in the US?
Input please...
Dirty Dan the Man 18:40, 26 December 2006 (UTC)
That Elvis never toured or travelled outside the US because Parker didn't have a passport and was technically an illegal immigrant etc. is a complete myth (NOT A MYTH!). Come on, he was elvis's manager for god sakes, regardless of that if he had wanted a green card the government would just have given him one anyway.
Especially given the fact that Elvis loved touring, Parker was a minor problem - the real reason Elvis didn't tour internationally was that he simply couldn't, as we all know even as early as 1970 elvis already had a huge drug habit -uppers, downers and later narcotics (powerful painkillers). He would obviously have had major problems taking the quantities of drugs he needed and used across borders through customs, although in fairness, these had always been legally prescribed to him in the US though.
His own people have said this.
Ah las, all those asian and european chicks he missed out on.
Andreas Cornelius van Kuijk a.k.a. Colonel Tom Parker was an illegal Dutch immigrant, who was so protective of his identity as an illegal (having possibly done something in Holland that made him leave--there is much conjecture about this including having been booted from the Dutch Army for being mentally unstable)... Regardless, Colonel Parker's secret was kept from even Elvis, himself. Nobody in Elvis' close circle knew until Elvis' death. The satellite Aloha concert is thought to have been the Colonel's answer to Elvis' growing enthusiasm for a foreign tour--something he had first mentioned in 1960 and mentioned often during the '70s as something he wished to do.
Elvis famously made a visit to Paris, France and I believe the transatlantic ship stopped in England. He lived in Bad Nauheim, Germany from the end of 1958 'til early 1960, while in the U.S. Army during the Cold War.
Scapecape: Elvis did perform outside the USA. In Canada to be precise.
2 April. Toronto, Can. Maple Leaf Gardens (2 shows)
3 April. Ottawa, Can. Auditorium (2 shows)
This was in 1957.
Besides, Aloha was not constructed by Tom Parker, but rather an idea of RCA. His drug abuse is something that a lot of people don't want to understand appearently, because as such it was not a problem. Elvis used legit medication. One can also get addicted to those, tho. What could be a problem is that his entourage did use illegal substances and subsequently could have caused big problems for Elvis.
And yes, Tom Parker was an illegal alien. Not myth but fact.
As his friends testify, Elvis's drug usage was a big problem, and the drugs were really heavy duty, at least in the later years, even though "legally" obtained.
In regards to the above paragraphs and travel, in many if not in most countries of the world, the drugs which Elvis was using, like uppers (Dexedrine), liquid cocaine and narcotics (pethedine, morphine etc.), are legal but cannot just be obtained by a prescription from a General Practicioner!!! They are strictly controlled and there usually has to be an authority issued from the Health Department or hospital, like for people suffering from cancer and other prolonged serious illness. Even in various western countries some of this stuff is illegal, period. (Downers are easy to get from a GP though).
If he had wanted to go on a long worldwind tour, then at various Customs in foreign countries, he would have had big headaches - he could not have given a medically legitimate reason as to why he regularly needed and was in posession of these (very large numbers) of dangerous drugs, even if they had been (mass) prescribed to him back in the US. Not to mention that a few of these drugs could well have been illegal in some of the countries he visited. He would of had to get his people to go on the black market for the stuff - not very practical, and risky. Unlike in the US where he always had some quack GP hand out drugs to him like candy.
And yes, I know that it was a fact, not myth that Parker was an illegal alien, but that wasn't the point I was making!!
If you think these points are trivial, consider that if one suffers badly from alcoholism, they tend to set up their lives so as to avoid any situation, for example such as travelling to see relatives for a lengthy period, where they will not be able to drink freely without drawing attention or shame, or to other places for some period of time, where booze simply will not be available.
Is there an article about Elvis' father?-- Vayaka 14:55, 17 January 2007 (UTC)
Every single thing this Harvey Carter has put here about Elvis is total nonsense and outright hateful fiction. Why is it here? In fact much of what is here about Elvis is based on unproven allegations or is simply total lies and hateful BS. Most of the whole page on Elvis should be erased!
The lies about his sexual preferences, (which were "straight" according to every close and credible person who ever knew him) the false BS regarding his musical influences,(which were many and from which he created his own style and sound) his alleged disdain for and comments about blacks shining his shoes, it's total BS! Elvis had MANY black friends including Muhammed Ali, James Brown, Jackie Wlson, Little Richard, Joe Hunter, Fats Domino, BB King, the list is long, and none of them ever even had a hint that Elvis was "racist" against blacks! It's BS! This place is disgraceful.
Wikiencyclopedia seems to be full of contributors who are trying to imply that most celebrities are gay based on pure heresay. Also it seems that when it is implied regarding certain celebrities it is implied in a derogatory sense; whereas for certain celebrities it is implied favourably. I think this whole place is run by a gay community determined to "out" every celebrity there is whether that person is straight or gay. I agree with comments made in the previous paragraphs by an unnamed contributor: all factual evidence proves Elvis was straight and not a racist. Everything else implied is sheer gossip/heresay and there is no excuse for this type of gutter press. This is supposed to be an encyclopedia.--
Suzulu
06:27, 27 April 2007 (UTC)
Presley was indeed a homosexual who had sex with Nick Adams and his own mother. He only became famous by stealing black music. JHe was the most racist man who ever lived. No wonder MJ hated him. ( Chunda18 11:37, 11 May 2007 (UTC))
The following pharagraph is not correct:
On his third and final appearance (January 6, 1957) on ) on the The Ed Sullivan Show, Sullivan was so impressed by Presley that he pointed to him and told the audience "This is a real decent, fine boy. We've never had a pleasanter experience on our show with a big name than we've had with you ... You're thoroughly all right." Presley remains the only one on Sullivan's show to have received such a warm and personal accolade. However, it has also been said that Presley's manager orchestrated the compliment in exchange for permitting Presley to appear, after Sullivan had earlier publicly stated his refusal to allow Presley on his program.
I have a copy of the "The Four Complete Historic Ed Sullivan Shows Featuring The Beatles..." and I recall the Sullivan could not heap enough of these similar praises towars the Beatles at the conclusion of their February 23, 1964 appearance on the Ed Sullivan Show --- the line in bold should probably be removed.
Say baby, that is one big hunk o' pharagraph; it is just too much...>b>don't be cruel, how about maybe subtitling --- or at least enbolding their names --- of these former Presley girlfriends.
You all should also be aware that the Tennessee Arts Commission and the Office of the [Tennessee] First Lady have released a dvd of the Tennessee Governor's Mansion (a fundraiser for the renovation of the Tennessee Governor's Mansion that has some signficant footage of a youthful EP in Nashville speaking before the Tennessee General Assembly, visiting the Governor's Mansion, and an interview with a daughter of former Governor Ellington who stated that she and Elvis had dated for "a year and a half".
Well, the Junkyard Dog can't edit this, so he's just going to say it here. There's repetition of a quote by Jimmy C in the Political Beliefs section. someone should take care of it.
I'm not sure how reliable this source is, but William Dakota (*1938) claims to have worked as Nick Adams's secretary for some time. As his writings indicate, he seems to have had intimate knowledge about a lot of people in Hollywood, among them Elvis. Curiously, some time ago, this author also visited Wikipedia. See [5], [6]. Here are some interesting excerpts from his article, "Elvis was bisexual":
If Dakota is right, these quotes strongly suggest that Elvis and his best friend Nick Adams were indeed bisexual. See Bill Dakota, "Elvis was bisexual" Onefortyone 01:31, 14 February 2007 (UTC)
There is nothing credible about Bill Dakota. He was never a real friend of Elvis nor part of his close posse, and Elvis was a private person who did not have people he didn't know lurking around. There is no "factual" evidence that Elvis Presley was ever anything other than "heterosexual" nor ever engaged in anything other than heterosexual sex. Every credible person who was close to or ever truly knew Elvis throughout his life said he was without question "heterosexual" and deplored homosexual activity.
Bill Dakota is another hack like Dee Stanley, who Elvis openly never excepted as his stepmother and she was trying to make a buck off his name with a book full of lies after his death, and Albert Goldman was even worse. Goldman clearly had nothing but disdain for Elvis as his entire book showed, and he also hated John Lennon whom he wrote a similar hit piece on after Lennon's death. He is simply not credible nor are his opinions or claims in his book which some are here on Elvis' page. Nothing more than hit pieces.
.[66] In his book, Elvis, Albert Goldman writes that, after his return to America, Presley "was a changed man. ... His first TV appearances, particularly his queer showing on Frank Sinatra Welcome Home Party for Elvis Presley, testify to the change in the man that underlay the change in the image. ... After the Army, Elvis appeared very delicate and vulnerable, as if he were recovering from major surgery. He wringed his hands as he talked. He became extremely wary. With his preposterous Little Richard conk, his limp wrist, girlish grin and wobbly knees, which now turned out, instead of in, he looked outrageously gay."
The quote above from Goldman's book should NOT be included in Elvis' bio page and I would like for it to be removed. This is not only just Goldman's OPINION, but an opinion from a guy who had intense disdain for Presley and whose entire book demonstrated this! The entire book was condemned as trash by Elvis' friends in and out of the entertainment business, his Memphis Mafia group, his family, fans and critics. The way that Goldman quote is placed in Elvis' page it appears as if it's a credible statement that Elvis was "gay" and looked gay, and this was just one idiot hater's opinion, not a "fact"! Elvis slept with hundreds of women and there has never been even as much as a "picture" to even suggest he was ever with a man sexually in any way. It's a LIE! Remove it, please!
Not only did Presley have sex with Nick Adams, he also had an obsession with James Dean. No wonder Marlon hated him.
Why isn't this article tagged for length? Quadzilla99 08:46, 17 February 2007 (UTC)
Elvis had other health problems not mentioned in the article and they should be added:
Some sources say that Elvis had diabetes, which he hid from the public, including http://www.sfu.ca/aq/archives/may2003/diabetes.html
On Youtube, "The Last 24 Hours" can be seen. In it, Larry Geller states that elvis had high blood sugar, which would indicate diabetes.
He had an enlarged colon as well as hypertension ( http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/style/longterm/elvis/epobit.htm)
Also, he had an enlarged heart ( http://www.elvis.com.au/presley/marian_cocke_remembers_elvis_presley.shtml).
Also, Kathy Westmoreland, one of his girlfriends has some other suggestions, although I am uncertain of the legitimacy of them. They include anemia, three previous heart attacks, as well as cancer (which is referred to already in the article). —The preceding
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04:14, 26 February 2007 (UTC).
Is that real? -- Toytoy 05:14, 2 March 2007 (UTC)
There is no mention of this rather interesting tidbit. -- Vranak 06:42, 3 March 2007 (UTC)
Under "Elvis as a victim of Blackmail", there is the phrase, "...are of the opinion that he had molestated the star himself." As far as I know "molestated" is not a word and should be "molested". As a new user I cannot edit this article, so either someone else can change it or I will in a few days--if I remember to do so. Qgroff 16:53, 9 March 2007 (UTC)
Long and lame —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Q8-falcon ( talk • contribs) 13:13, 13 March 2007 (UTC).
your right it needs more information on his family and his history.
In the beginning of the article it says "... American singer, musician ..." Wouldn't this be considered redundant? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 70.118.97.76 ( talk) 20:52, 18 March 2007 (UTC).
Sinatra or the rest of the Rat Pack weren't musicians. Neither was James Brown, Wilson Pickett, Tiffany, nor Madonna. There's still hope for Michael Jackson, though.
Elvis > All
supposedly was a big fan, per AOL..or were they his?
Elvis was a big Monty Python fan : that was said in Sammy Davis Jnr biography and also by several of his friends in some video specials on Presley.-- Suzulu 06:23, 27 April 2007 (UTC)
With all due respect to Rolling Stone, the term "race music", which was a term that was preferred by the black community at one time, was replaced by the term rhythm and blues in 1948. Using the term "race music" when talking about Elvis in 1954 and 1955 is misleading. It's about 6 years out of date to have anything to do with Elvis. I understand that this is a direct quote, but it should be qualified or eliminated. Steve Pastor 17:40, 20 March 2007 (UTC)
Would I be right in saying that some of his songs may be in the public domain in the UK as it's only 50 years over here before copyright expires on recorded works? I suppose US copyright law prevents us from adding the whole tracks to the article? What if we were to host the tracks on a UK server? Supposed 05:19, 27 April 2007 (UTC)
Here is Amazon.com's description of the book "Beginning with the Royal Ontario Museum's Into the Heart of Africa exhibition, and following through with discussions of Show Boat, Miss Saigon, the exhibition of the Barnes Collection at the Art Gallery of Ontario, the 'Writing Thru Race' conference in Vancouver, and the ill-fated attempts to acquire a licence for a black/dance radio station in Toronto, the authors examine manifestations of racism in Canada's cultural production over the last decade." [7] It is not a book about Elvis, and it is obvious that the authors did not do their homework on "Hound Dog". Furthermore, is is simply not true that Little Richard had been forgotten. Steve Pastor 21:44, 27 April 2007 (UTC)
I'm surprised it's not been mentioned anywhere here or on the article. I'm not going to bother putting it in because I wouldn't know where to start, but perhaps someone who would know can do it?
NewYork1956
20:16, 28 April 2007 (UTC)
I've noticed something troubling in the relationship section. Most of the statements don't match the sources cited, or worse are interpretations of them (ie. Original Research), not to mention that there is a great deal of selective quoting with the apparent purpose of creating a new narrative aimed at labeling Presley a homosexual or bisexual who didn't sleep with women much or if at all. This deception doesn't really worry me that much, as no ones going to believe such rubbish anyway (accusing John Holmes of being a virgin would be a similar situation), but we might as well stick to something more accurate. Two of the most reliable primary sources available, Lamar Fike (one of elvis' closest and oldest friends) and David Stanley (Elvis' step brother), both of whom were around Elvis for most of life - and near the end of his life up to 24hrs a day (This is detailed in the book: The Elvis Encyclopedia by David Stanley), state numerous times that Elvis was a frequent womanizer who slept with many women (even during his marriage to Priscilla). They make zero mention of any homosexual relationships or of any incestrous relationships and that have been proposed in hearsay and secondary sources. Also, need I mention that that both these rumours surfaced years after Elvis had died? (hint, hint, exploitation anyone?).
The section is way too long anyway, do we really need an exhaustive list of exactly who elvis screwed, or who taught him 'the joys of oral sex'? I certainly hope not. The shear amount of trash lumped into this section means that to remedy it - and help keep the article more concise - I've condensed it down into a much shorter version (based on a previous revision) that everyone can hopefully add to and improve. It will still need some work, but at least the bias and selective quoting are gone. Mingy Jongo 01:33, 29 April 2007 (UTC)
Here is the complete text of a personal letter from Colonel Parker to his secretary (8/25/58). In 1958, with Elvis Presley serving in the U.S. Army and Colonel Tom Parker conducting business from his management office in Madison, Tennessee, Trude Forsher, Elvis and Parker's personal secretary, took care of business at their offices on the west coast. In this 1958 letter to Mrs. Forsher, Colonel Parker catches up with news after a difficult month in which Elvis' beloved mother, Gladys, passed away. It reads:
Provenance: Trude Forsher Archive (Letter of Authenticity from Mrs. Forsher's son).
This letter proves how close Nick Adams and Judy Spreckels were to the singer at that time. Onefortyone 23:21, 2 May 2007 (UTC)