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I am working on referencing this article -- I've found a number of sources, but haven't gone through them to fact-check the statements in this article. Possible sources are listed in the bibliography... -- phoebe 23:54, 30 November 2006 (UTC)
haven't found a source for this information yet: "Although unable to pilot the plane due to the weakness of the muscles in her legs, she nevertheless flew on most test flights in the observer's seat. Unfortunately the Maple Leaf did not meet Commonwealth standards, and was not widely built in Canada. However, the CCF had a branch plant in Mexico where the Maple Leaf went into production for their air force as it had excellent high-altitude performance for a trainer, important as they commonly operated from 7,000ft." -- phoebe 03:32, 12 December 2006 (UTC)
The firing of MacGill and Soulsby is covered in the CBC documentary by former factory workers. At the time it was believed Soulsby had treated the Navy brass poorly, but it was later revealed that they had been fired for having an affair. I personally find this fascinating, that one could be fired for something that is now commonplace and even expected (workplace couples).
I had originally mentioned this in the article, but the content was removed at some point. Anyone offer an explaination?
Maury 22:35, 30 May 2007 (UTC)
It's definitely in the doc -- I just saw a part of it on the History Channel again (they play it a lot). Any ideas on how to go about generating a ref? You'd think I'd know this, my sis works at the CBC and all... Maury 19:43, 11 July 2007 (UTC)
I just checked the pages, it's definitely Rosies! I'm fixing the ref now. Maury 12:51, 12 July 2007 (UTC)
I am nominating this little slip of an article for a GA because I think it's a nice biography of an important but understated historical figure. I did some pretty thorough research, and am convinced that there is not much more on her to find than what is listed here; since GA is supposedly especially for "short articles unlikely to make it to FA" I am testing that theory out. :) -- phoebe/( talk) 08:37, 8 July 2007 (UTC)
Review-- GA on hold
I first came across this article while compiling the List of polio survivors, I am glad that you nominated it as a GA. Elsie was a fascinating individual and led such an interesting life, I wish I could have met her. Overall this article is well written and gives a nice overview of Elsie's life, but there are probably a few bare spots. In the course of researching "the list" I came across this article http://www.collectionscanada.ca/women/002026-409-e.html, which you may be able to use to expand this article in a few places that might be lacking, such as additional info about her struggle with Polio, as well as her personal life. The article also includes a complete breakdown of honors and medals she received (are all of them listed here?) as well as a very nice list of further reading that could be added to this article. I think that it is very close to a GA, regardless of it's length, if just a few more details could be added.
As I said, overall the article is nicley written, I do have a few suggestions to improve the flow and have spotted a few other issues. I will list the article as "on hold" for seven days to give you time to perhaps expand the article and to address the concerns/suggestions I have listed below (if you need longer please let me know). If there is a good reason to not complete some of my suggestions let me know and I will adjust my thought process rather than just fail the article. Please let me know on my talk page when you finish or if you have any questions. -- DO11.10 18:39, 11 July 2007 (UTC)
-- DO11.10 18:39, 11 July 2007 (UTC)
Ok, all fixed on those items too (not easy in Safari, you can't Find in editable fields -- bug report filed). I think the last "short term" item we can discuss is the heading, how about "Engineering" or "Engineering career"? I also think we should change the last heading to highlight her work in women's rights, as opposed to the awards. Maury 12:48, 12 July 2007 (UTC)
BTW, I'm leaving the link to the medal, I do intend to make an article on that at some point. Maury 12:53, 12 July 2007 (UTC)
I also think that the non-duplicate "Suggested readings" on http://www.collectionscanada.ca/women/002026-409-e.html should be added to bibliography section.
Yeah, I think the "first" definitely belongs in the intro, although I hate having to put refs in intro paras. Do you think we're safe putting it there but leaving the ref where it is in the later section? Also, note that she was 38 when they married, it's unlikely (especially given the era) that they would have had children together regardless of the polio. Given that there are no children together, I'm not sure if we need to mention it either way. Maury 18:43, 13 July 2007 (UTC)
Well, do we pass or fail at this point? I can't find anything immediate on the early years that seems solid enough to put in. Everything else is done, I think. Maury 18:38, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
Bzuk has made some nice additions here. Since I haven't had a response, I will add in the two changes I mentioned above, and pass the article. Good job all. The only concern I have is that there are too many pictures. Would it be possible/reasonable to put the two airplane images in a gallery at the bottom of the article? Maybe before the "see also" section?-- DO11.10 17:25, 18 July 2007 (UTC)
Hello all,
do you think a bibliography of MacGill's published engineering papers would be helpful here? There are eight of them that show up in Compendex (though four seem to be the "factors in mass production" article, reprinted); it would be easy to make a list. Or would that be too much detail? -- phoebe/( talk) 19:11, 12 July 2007 (UTC)
In order to uphold the quality of
Wikipedia:Good articles, all articles listed as Good articles are being reviewed against the
GA criteria as part of the
GA project quality task force. While all the hard work that has gone into this article is appreciated, unfortunately, as of
May 29,
2008, this article fails to satisfy the criteria, as detailed below. For that reason, the article has been delisted from
WP:GA. However, if improvements are made bringing the article up to standards, the article may be nominated at
WP:GAN. If you feel this decision has been made in error, you may seek remediation at
WP:GAR.
The GA review can be found here. -- Malleus Fatuorum ( talk) 20:13, 29 May 2008 (UTC)
Generally, all Canadian subjects should use mdy conventions. Unless the topic was a military one, then a dmy style would apply. FWIW, I are Canadajian and I know that Wickywacky says either style will apply but I have yet to find any Canadian publications that use the more-British or international style. When this article was first being developed, almost all articles were using the dmy style until some changes were made in the style guide to accommodate the different styles for North American and international date usage. FWiW Bzuk ( talk) 01:25, 9 January 2016 (UTC)
The article claims that MacGill "was the world's first woman aircraft designer" , but according to E. Lilian Todd: "The New York Times issue of November 28, 1909, identifies her as the first woman in the world to design airplanes". So who gets the honours the Yanks or the Canucks? Ottawahitech ( talk) 01:16, 6 December 2016 (UTC)please ping me
::::@
SusunW: First question: Are you a
Canuck or a
Yank?
Ottawahitech (
talk) 16:11, 6 December 2016 (UTC)please
ping me OOps
Ottawahitech (
talk)
16:12, 6 December 2016 (UTC)please
ping me
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I am working on referencing this article -- I've found a number of sources, but haven't gone through them to fact-check the statements in this article. Possible sources are listed in the bibliography... -- phoebe 23:54, 30 November 2006 (UTC)
haven't found a source for this information yet: "Although unable to pilot the plane due to the weakness of the muscles in her legs, she nevertheless flew on most test flights in the observer's seat. Unfortunately the Maple Leaf did not meet Commonwealth standards, and was not widely built in Canada. However, the CCF had a branch plant in Mexico where the Maple Leaf went into production for their air force as it had excellent high-altitude performance for a trainer, important as they commonly operated from 7,000ft." -- phoebe 03:32, 12 December 2006 (UTC)
The firing of MacGill and Soulsby is covered in the CBC documentary by former factory workers. At the time it was believed Soulsby had treated the Navy brass poorly, but it was later revealed that they had been fired for having an affair. I personally find this fascinating, that one could be fired for something that is now commonplace and even expected (workplace couples).
I had originally mentioned this in the article, but the content was removed at some point. Anyone offer an explaination?
Maury 22:35, 30 May 2007 (UTC)
It's definitely in the doc -- I just saw a part of it on the History Channel again (they play it a lot). Any ideas on how to go about generating a ref? You'd think I'd know this, my sis works at the CBC and all... Maury 19:43, 11 July 2007 (UTC)
I just checked the pages, it's definitely Rosies! I'm fixing the ref now. Maury 12:51, 12 July 2007 (UTC)
I am nominating this little slip of an article for a GA because I think it's a nice biography of an important but understated historical figure. I did some pretty thorough research, and am convinced that there is not much more on her to find than what is listed here; since GA is supposedly especially for "short articles unlikely to make it to FA" I am testing that theory out. :) -- phoebe/( talk) 08:37, 8 July 2007 (UTC)
Review-- GA on hold
I first came across this article while compiling the List of polio survivors, I am glad that you nominated it as a GA. Elsie was a fascinating individual and led such an interesting life, I wish I could have met her. Overall this article is well written and gives a nice overview of Elsie's life, but there are probably a few bare spots. In the course of researching "the list" I came across this article http://www.collectionscanada.ca/women/002026-409-e.html, which you may be able to use to expand this article in a few places that might be lacking, such as additional info about her struggle with Polio, as well as her personal life. The article also includes a complete breakdown of honors and medals she received (are all of them listed here?) as well as a very nice list of further reading that could be added to this article. I think that it is very close to a GA, regardless of it's length, if just a few more details could be added.
As I said, overall the article is nicley written, I do have a few suggestions to improve the flow and have spotted a few other issues. I will list the article as "on hold" for seven days to give you time to perhaps expand the article and to address the concerns/suggestions I have listed below (if you need longer please let me know). If there is a good reason to not complete some of my suggestions let me know and I will adjust my thought process rather than just fail the article. Please let me know on my talk page when you finish or if you have any questions. -- DO11.10 18:39, 11 July 2007 (UTC)
-- DO11.10 18:39, 11 July 2007 (UTC)
Ok, all fixed on those items too (not easy in Safari, you can't Find in editable fields -- bug report filed). I think the last "short term" item we can discuss is the heading, how about "Engineering" or "Engineering career"? I also think we should change the last heading to highlight her work in women's rights, as opposed to the awards. Maury 12:48, 12 July 2007 (UTC)
BTW, I'm leaving the link to the medal, I do intend to make an article on that at some point. Maury 12:53, 12 July 2007 (UTC)
I also think that the non-duplicate "Suggested readings" on http://www.collectionscanada.ca/women/002026-409-e.html should be added to bibliography section.
Yeah, I think the "first" definitely belongs in the intro, although I hate having to put refs in intro paras. Do you think we're safe putting it there but leaving the ref where it is in the later section? Also, note that she was 38 when they married, it's unlikely (especially given the era) that they would have had children together regardless of the polio. Given that there are no children together, I'm not sure if we need to mention it either way. Maury 18:43, 13 July 2007 (UTC)
Well, do we pass or fail at this point? I can't find anything immediate on the early years that seems solid enough to put in. Everything else is done, I think. Maury 18:38, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
Bzuk has made some nice additions here. Since I haven't had a response, I will add in the two changes I mentioned above, and pass the article. Good job all. The only concern I have is that there are too many pictures. Would it be possible/reasonable to put the two airplane images in a gallery at the bottom of the article? Maybe before the "see also" section?-- DO11.10 17:25, 18 July 2007 (UTC)
Hello all,
do you think a bibliography of MacGill's published engineering papers would be helpful here? There are eight of them that show up in Compendex (though four seem to be the "factors in mass production" article, reprinted); it would be easy to make a list. Or would that be too much detail? -- phoebe/( talk) 19:11, 12 July 2007 (UTC)
In order to uphold the quality of
Wikipedia:Good articles, all articles listed as Good articles are being reviewed against the
GA criteria as part of the
GA project quality task force. While all the hard work that has gone into this article is appreciated, unfortunately, as of
May 29,
2008, this article fails to satisfy the criteria, as detailed below. For that reason, the article has been delisted from
WP:GA. However, if improvements are made bringing the article up to standards, the article may be nominated at
WP:GAN. If you feel this decision has been made in error, you may seek remediation at
WP:GAR.
The GA review can be found here. -- Malleus Fatuorum ( talk) 20:13, 29 May 2008 (UTC)
Generally, all Canadian subjects should use mdy conventions. Unless the topic was a military one, then a dmy style would apply. FWIW, I are Canadajian and I know that Wickywacky says either style will apply but I have yet to find any Canadian publications that use the more-British or international style. When this article was first being developed, almost all articles were using the dmy style until some changes were made in the style guide to accommodate the different styles for North American and international date usage. FWiW Bzuk ( talk) 01:25, 9 January 2016 (UTC)
The article claims that MacGill "was the world's first woman aircraft designer" , but according to E. Lilian Todd: "The New York Times issue of November 28, 1909, identifies her as the first woman in the world to design airplanes". So who gets the honours the Yanks or the Canucks? Ottawahitech ( talk) 01:16, 6 December 2016 (UTC)please ping me
::::@
SusunW: First question: Are you a
Canuck or a
Yank?
Ottawahitech (
talk) 16:11, 6 December 2016 (UTC)please
ping me OOps
Ottawahitech (
talk)
16:12, 6 December 2016 (UTC)please
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