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New Jersey–related articles to
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I check pages listed in
Category:Pages with incorrect ref formatting to try to fix reference errors. One of the things I do is look for content for
orphaned references in wikilinked articles. I have found content for some of
Elmer, New Jersey's orphans, the problem is that I found more than one version. I can't determine which (if any) is correct for this article, so I am asking for a sentient editor to look it over and copy the correct ref content into this article.
I apologize if any of the above are effectively identical; I am just a simple computer program, so I can't determine whether minor differences are significant or not.
AnomieBOT⚡03:42, 26 October 2012 (UTC)reply
Nikkimaria: Take a look at the
Template:Infobox settlement, which as its first parameters provides details for country, state and county. It is exactly this hierarchy that is being reproduced in the lead sentence. Readers understand that these are different components within a hierarchy and they want to see, and be able to access information, about both county AND state. What does "link specificity" have to do with providing meaningful information to readers? This is not "
SalemCounty,
NewJersey", where information is being lost by breaking it up into a SEAOFBLUE. This is "
Salem County,
New Jersey", where each component matches one-to-one with a corresponding parameter in the infobox.
Alansohn (
talk)
19:19, 16 September 2015 (UTC)reply
I'm afraid I really don't understand your objection. I'm not advocating removing this hierarchy from the lead entirely - the information is still there. But not all readers will automatically understand that what appears to be a single link ("
Salem County,
New Jersey") is actually two.
Nikkimaria (
talk)
19:50, 16 September 2015 (UTC)reply
...and I don't comprehend yours. In the infobox for this article, there is a link to
New Jersey (the state) *AND* a link to
Salem County (the county). Somehow this works without causing the Universe to collapse. You apparently have no objection to these two links co-existing, even though they share the words "New Jersey". Why would anyone have an objection to those same two corresponding links appearing in a single sentence in the lead, providing the exact same information and navigation opportunities to readers who want to know about either the county *OR* the state? Would "
Salem County in the U.S. state of
New Jersey" address whatever it is that concerns you here?
Alansohn (
talk)
20:18, 16 September 2015 (UTC)reply
Yes, because as I explained above, I don't object to the fact of linking New Jersey but rather to linking it in such a manner that is likely to confuse readers. That's why it's fine in the infobox (where the two are on separate rows) but not formatted so it looks like a single link in the text.
Nikkimaria (
talk)
21:59, 16 September 2015 (UTC)reply
We do that all the time in Wikipedia, including in articles that you've edited. The space between with a lack of blue underlining is a standard that readers seem to get. If that's your only objection, wouldn't describing Elmer as being located in "
Salem County in the U.S. state of
New Jersey" address your concerns here?
Alansohn (
talk)
22:24, 16 September 2015 (UTC)reply
This article is part of WikiProject New Jersey, an effort to create, expand, and improve
New Jersey–related articles to
Wikipedia feature-quality standard. Please join in the
discussion.New JerseyWikipedia:WikiProject New JerseyTemplate:WikiProject New JerseyNew Jersey articles
I check pages listed in
Category:Pages with incorrect ref formatting to try to fix reference errors. One of the things I do is look for content for
orphaned references in wikilinked articles. I have found content for some of
Elmer, New Jersey's orphans, the problem is that I found more than one version. I can't determine which (if any) is correct for this article, so I am asking for a sentient editor to look it over and copy the correct ref content into this article.
I apologize if any of the above are effectively identical; I am just a simple computer program, so I can't determine whether minor differences are significant or not.
AnomieBOT⚡03:42, 26 October 2012 (UTC)reply
Nikkimaria: Take a look at the
Template:Infobox settlement, which as its first parameters provides details for country, state and county. It is exactly this hierarchy that is being reproduced in the lead sentence. Readers understand that these are different components within a hierarchy and they want to see, and be able to access information, about both county AND state. What does "link specificity" have to do with providing meaningful information to readers? This is not "
SalemCounty,
NewJersey", where information is being lost by breaking it up into a SEAOFBLUE. This is "
Salem County,
New Jersey", where each component matches one-to-one with a corresponding parameter in the infobox.
Alansohn (
talk)
19:19, 16 September 2015 (UTC)reply
I'm afraid I really don't understand your objection. I'm not advocating removing this hierarchy from the lead entirely - the information is still there. But not all readers will automatically understand that what appears to be a single link ("
Salem County,
New Jersey") is actually two.
Nikkimaria (
talk)
19:50, 16 September 2015 (UTC)reply
...and I don't comprehend yours. In the infobox for this article, there is a link to
New Jersey (the state) *AND* a link to
Salem County (the county). Somehow this works without causing the Universe to collapse. You apparently have no objection to these two links co-existing, even though they share the words "New Jersey". Why would anyone have an objection to those same two corresponding links appearing in a single sentence in the lead, providing the exact same information and navigation opportunities to readers who want to know about either the county *OR* the state? Would "
Salem County in the U.S. state of
New Jersey" address whatever it is that concerns you here?
Alansohn (
talk)
20:18, 16 September 2015 (UTC)reply
Yes, because as I explained above, I don't object to the fact of linking New Jersey but rather to linking it in such a manner that is likely to confuse readers. That's why it's fine in the infobox (where the two are on separate rows) but not formatted so it looks like a single link in the text.
Nikkimaria (
talk)
21:59, 16 September 2015 (UTC)reply
We do that all the time in Wikipedia, including in articles that you've edited. The space between with a lack of blue underlining is a standard that readers seem to get. If that's your only objection, wouldn't describing Elmer as being located in "
Salem County in the U.S. state of
New Jersey" address your concerns here?
Alansohn (
talk)
22:24, 16 September 2015 (UTC)reply