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Isn't the way that the definite article al behaves before shamsi consonants in Arabic an example of an elision? For instance, the word for sun shams made into a definite noun is pronounced ash-shams with the sh pronounced as a singlular stressed consonant. However it is still written as al-shams in MSA.
Another example from Arabic is in the colloquial dialects, particularly those of the Maghreb, where short vowel sounds are usually omitted. For instance, "kitaab" is pronounced "ktaab".
Kansai people do not elide vowels. Pronoucing every vowel is the basic technique to mimic Kansai-ben. They do elide "ikimasuka?" to "ikimakka?", but I think it is rather influence of Kanto's "ikimasska" than traditional Kansai-ben. So I do not think that Kansai dialect is a good example of eliding dialect. -- Seitaro 09:54, 20 Dec 2004 (UTC)
Why isn't anyone putting in Latin-Romance and English-Japanese elisions? lysdexia 06:55, 31 Jan 2005 (UTC)
Look at the markup I put in: it tells open and shut (long and short) vowels apart, unlike anything or anyone else. Someone needs to update the Japanese to tell what exactly "u" means, and the like. lysdexia 07:48, 31 Jan 2005 (UTC)
Rate my work. How do ye like my exact pronunciations and translations? lysdexia 03:03, 3 Feb 2005 (UTC)
I was thinking about adding chatspeak, like cya, r, u, etc., but they were more acronyms than elisions. French has so many useless (nonfunctional), at least in speech, letters that its shortenings are quite close to the first words. lysdexia 10:04, 20 Feb 2005 (UTC)
I'm not sure what to make of these. There are hundreds of them, and they're not in any discernible order, they contain a myriad unexplained abbreviations, and the "pronunciation" or whatever that is is also in some obscure or undefined system. Further, I don't think that many of them are in fact examples of elision. Certainly not synchronic elision or monolinguistic elision. It should be clarified which are examples of synchronic monolinguistic elision (like e.g. the British pronunciation of secretary) and which are not, like for example coup, which was never pronounced in English with a p sound and while. And then there are the cases that not elision at all, like while, which just derives from a different inflected form of whilst, not an elision of the final -st. And I don't think it's particularly interesting to list every English word which has lost a sound in the course of the history of the language, because that includes pretty much every single word; for example every word that has a final silent e is an example of diachronic elision, but that should be handled by prose that explains the loss of final e, not an exhaustive listing of every word that has a final silent e. Similarly with all the other silent letters. And so on. I find this section to be so useless and misleading that I think it should probably just be deleted (I can't speak to the other languages' sections as I haven't looked at them yet, but they may be problematic too). I will leave it for a few days, but if these issues can't be improved, I geuninely can't see how we can with sound mind leave this heap of misinformation here, and I don't see any way it can be salvaged save removal of nearly everything and careful explanation of everything else. Nohat 05:44, 19 Apr 2005 (UTC)
I've gone through all the English examples and categorized them by what I think they are. The vast majority of them do not represent examples of "elision" except in a very loose sense of some time in the history of English, these words changed in a way that made them have fewer sounds. I don't think this is a very interesting or useful definition of elision, because pretty much every word in English would qualify in some way. I think we should stick to the strict definition of elision, which is where a single sound is deleted from the beginning or the end of a word OR a single vowel is deleted from the middle of word. By delete, I mean that the sound exists in the underlying synchronic form and is deleted in part of the phonological process of uttering the word. Nohat 01:27, 20 Apr 2005 (UTC)
These are things I don't think are examples of elision or anything like elision or I was unable to understand what was being claimed.
Examples of clipping, where large parts of words are cut off the beginning or end--not elision. Elision is just the deletion of a single sound. Also, for some of these cases where it looks like it could be considered elision, it's in fact not, because both the shortened form and the longer form would be considered separate lexemes. When someone says "bod" they're not saying "body" but leaving off the [i], they're saying a different, slang word, which was derived from body.
pudding: "pud"; "pud"
These are diminutives--words that are clipped forms with a diminutive ending added--not elision.
These are examples that represent sound changes in English historical phonology--they may be examples of "elision" but not from a synchronic standpoint. They don't represent elision in any sense that someone is not saying sounds for simplicity--the sounds simply are no longer a part of the word.
These examples are portmanteau words--not elision but combination of parts of two words.
Finally, here are the few examples that I think actually represent a form of elision that occurs synchronically in English phonology. However, before they can be put back, the pronunciations need to be converted to IPA or at the very least explained in a sensible way.
If you were going to make greater changes to this article, you should've emailed me before writing this chaff (L.: crap) as I cannot come to the comments page and Wikipedia doesn't email me updates as every other site does. You have made up exclusionary rules against a term which is defined by the intention of the speaker or writer, that of ease or laziness, which is not taken from a pool of accepted, standard language now but at any time that the elision has happened. I've made sure to not list each and every word that has undergone elision, and reasonably put affixes that class each and every kind of elided particle [which are obvious to read and understand]. If you had any reason to disconsider changes into accepted language, you should have deleted the whole Ebonics section and many of the loanwords in foreign languages. Other than your throwing out of portmanteaux, I'm not convinced that any of your elisions of mine are real or evident. "Clipping" is the rough English for "abbreviation" by intent; "shortening up" is the latter's meaning and former's goal, having nothing to do with the eliding for ease or laziness or corruption across languages and dialects, but specifically with the shortening for the sake of shortening. I may consider an inclusionary list of abbreviations, which includes elisions, but that would be overkill. Can you show how my lists did not meet the goals and meanings of eliding and elision, and thence belong under "abbreviation"?
http://dictionary.com/search?q=elide
(The paste elided my copy, as this text field doesn't understand the images or list rubrics, so it was an instance of elision by corruption. You elided my article, as you didn't understand the affixes, organisation, or careful planning.)
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(The second sense of elision may allow for portmanteaux though.) Where do you get your fantastic beliefs? My pronunciation key was near the ASCII key used by many dictionaries, and it should be read easily by anyone familiar with the common sounds tied to those letters in English. Where do you get off making changes without citation? lysdexia 3 July 2005 03:31 (UTC)
Oh, I deliberately used my version of showing speech because I dispute the IPA's. I deny the existence of the schwa, I object to r/R sounds as being difthongs, I refute its status of r and R as consonants but as vowels, I object to its fictive prescription of whether whichever words are aspirated or unaspirated, I object to its using lone or blended glyfs for clusters as careless overlooking of the intention of the key as showing a one-to-one relationship between sound and glyf, and as no part of speech was given to the words in my list. Do you wish to obscure my work from accuracy? lysdexia 3 July 2005 03:43 (UTC)
Let me set a few things straight:
-- Pablo D. Flores 8 July 2005 02:03 (UTC)
I'm copying some of what Lysdexia replied to my... replies, so as to keep section size down and avoid my head from blowing up.
OK, a wordlist. A wordlist with all the words in English that you consider to have undergone elision, which, by your criteria, are tens of thousands. That your criteria are too broad has been already discussed ad nauseam. That a list with more than a couple dozen items is ridiculous long for the purpose of illustration is IMHO obvious too.
You had said: "Few speakers respect IPA pronunciations anyway, and choose to use their own vowels and accents." And I replied: "Speakers don't know IPA and IPA doesn't tell speakers how to speak. IPA describes, it doesn't prescribe." And now you say:
I'm feeling like... what would be the opposite of "preaching to the choir"? IPA is not supposed to do what you believe it should be supposed to do. Do you understand the difference between a thing and a representation of the thing? And also, you didn't say "prescribe", but that's what you implied when you said "few respect IPA". You don't respect descriptions, you respect laws or principles dictated from outside, i. e. prescriptions.
First of all, you mean English, so why do you generalize? Second, suppose I don't have access to the "many media". Third, why should I cope with a myriad accents listening to CNN, BBC, etc. or watching reruns of Friends or The Simpsons or whatever, if English can be written down using IPA in a very good approximation? A trained linguist might be able to listen and abstract phonemes from speech heard on TV, and then write them down, but the average Joe cannot. Yet you don't need much training to understand the IPA. Millions of students of English throughout the world do it all the time.
Try learning any language using those ideas. If everything a linguistically unaware native speaker considers "an artifact" or unworthy of mention must be suppressed, then it is impossible to note down the language correctly unless you know it beforehand!
How brave.
I don't even know what to call this. Writing has a moral purpose? Having a written language helps me telling right from wrong? I'm sorry for the millions of illiterate people out there. You're not only deeply mistaken but bordering on the strangest kind of fanaticism I've ever encountered.
I meant French.
You said "Aspiration and voicing are independent." I explained why this is not so. Aspiration excludes voicing by definition. Some studies show that English speakers employ aspiration (rather than voicing) to distinguish initial /b/ from initial /p/ for example, so that a non-aspirated initial /p/ tends to be heard as /b/. Which means that aspiration is used as a contrast to voicing.
But it was. If I call features "features", then that's a technical word; better to say that phonemes have certain constituents, "which linguists call features".
About Arabic script:
It's not written defectively. It leaves some things out. You do not write everything, in any language. "Particularly" is stressed over tic, but that is not written anywhere in the word.
I have no idea where that came from, but no, as a matter of fact I don't find it hard. Because I knew the word beforehand, that is.
The IPA doesn't claim anything. The IPA uses conventional symbols for a necessarily incomplete, but approximate enough, transcription. Ch is not t plus sh, but it is formed by a stop part and a fricative part. This is a fact.
-- Pablo D. Flores ( Talk) 14:19, 7 September 2005 (UTC)
I think we can remove the factual accuracy tag from the article now (the criteria for such a dispute are not met anymore). Also, some clarification would be needed as to the meanings of elision. What I'd like to see is a distinction between synchronical elision (which is the one mostly being discussed now), and diachronical elision.
I would rather not include "accidental" elision (that is, simply omitting sounds by mistake or lack of familiarity) and in general the unrestricted, unsystematic meaning of elision as simply "leaving out things". And of course, elision as "leaving symbols out of a written word" should not even be mentioned here.
Nohat, you seem not to agree with the idea of diachronical elision for this article; is this so?
-- Pablo D. Flores 11:10, 15 July 2005 (UTC)
I think we can remove the factual accuracy tag from the article now (the criteria for such a dispute are not met anymore).
The article says that "syncope" is a synonym. The Syncope article is vague about the relationsip, so your input at Talk:Syncope would be valuable. If they are synonyms, the articles should be merged. - Pgan002 07:40, 26 January 2006 (UTC)
"going to" ---> "gonna"
Is this an example of the phenomenon discussed here? Michael Hardy 00:02, 2 July 2006 (UTC)
England football fans often turn "Eng-land" into "En-ger-land". In poetry and songs, the author's choose between the short and long form of words in which elision exists, depending on how many syllables they need. They sing "En-ger-land" because they need three syllables in the tune they sing it to. I believe - though admittedly I have no evidence to back it up - that this is an example of the opposite of elision. Imagine that the actual name of the country was "Engerland". Elision would probably reduce the pronunciation to "En-gland", but in poetry and song, either form would be used depending on the syllables needed. I'm not sure whether there's a name for this reverse process, but it might be worth including in the article. Hope this makes sense. -- 82.4.55.101 ( talk) 12:08, 19 August 2009 (UTC)
The accompanying verb, (to) elide, redirects here. I found this article investigating some articles about (linguistic) ellipses, like Verb phrase ellipsis and Sluicing. These two actually provide short explanations of what they mean by "eliding"; which in their context is the omission of entire words or phrases.
Is there already some other article about this use of "elide" (and thus, I suppose, implicitly or explicitly also "elision")? If not, should one be written; or a paragraph or a short section be added to this one? I'd like to have an adequate link for forms of 'to elide', in such contexts.
I just noted that this talk page is noted as a "stub class poetry article" and a "classical music article". That's two other (related but not identical) usages. Especially the usage in music, IMHO could not be reduced to just a subcase of "phonemic" elision. JoergenB ( talk) 19:27, 21 October 2010 (UTC)
I am against merger of this article with any other. It can stand on its own, and is notable. Furthermore, an article of this age will have an editing history and talk page that would be lost -- along with attributions -- that can not be re-created. I can think of no reason to merge. Bearian ( talk) 19:02, 21 September 2011 (UTC)
Merger might make sense if it were to merge "deletion" into "elision". There is no reason to have the separate "deletion" article as it describes the exact same process but less clearly. To be honest, I think "deletion" is just the layman's term for "elision", in which case any links to "deletion (phonology)" should just direct to "elision". EmCat24 ( talk) 10:24, 9 April 2012 (UTC)
I agree with opposition to merger of elision article into deletion article, and disagree with merger of deletion article into elision article, and advocate that the two remain separate.
One may elide or delete something from a set; however, if an entire set is to be eliminated (and the set is not designated explicitly as a subset of another set), it should be regarded as to be deleted and not as to be elided.
One might elide or delete a character from a character string while one might delete a file or elide a file from a file system.
255.255.255.255 ( talk) 05:55, 24 April 2012 (UTC)
I'm not sure adding that whole quote was necessary or appropriate. Regardless, how is "whisky" an elision? That's how it's spelled. Tad Lincoln ( talk) 19:38, 27 September 2012 (UTC)
The end of the 2nd para uses 'cannot' -- but this is a compound not a contraction. Suggestions?
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I'm going to begin editing with just a few changes and deletions to reduce the thicket of misinformation, mostly in the intro bit above the contents inset. Suggestions, disagreements, etc. can be discussed here. 47.32.20.133 ( talk) 16:45, 27 June 2018 (UTC)
This page [2] mentions that elision is common in Turkish; the article could use some examples from that language. -- Beland ( talk) 16:38, 24 June 2019 (UTC)
I'd like to ask for advice here: the pronunciation /kʌmftərbəl/ is given for 'comfortable', and the pronunciation of the second syllable with /ər/ is new to me. I'm not doubting that some American speakers have this pronunciation: Merriam-Webster gives it, and I can hear it in a number of the American pronunciations of 'comfortable' given in Forvo. I am concerned that some readers may be confused by the presence of a second phonological process in addition to elision: as well as the elision of the /ə/ between /f/ and /t/, the example shows a shift of /r/ from the end of the citations form's second syllable to the end of the following syllable. The example may be confusing because I am sure this shift doesn't happen in non-rhotic English accents and it makes it hard to see how the transcription fits such accents in a diaphonemic fashion. I wonder how many other words show this pattern. I think it should be possible to find a simpler example of elision for this article. RoachPeter ( talk) 14:56, 21 February 2021 (UTC)
The article states that elision applies to sounds or words, but there's no mention of the programming application.
Elision is used when typing out programming syntax is optional, for example the optional comma is called ( https://tc39.es/ecma262/#prod-Elision), and https://doc.rust-lang.org/1.8.0/book/lifetimes.html has the section "Lifetime elision".
Also Copy elision AltoStev ( talk) 19:05, 23 February 2022 (UTC)
This article seems to violate MOS:CURLY. Is there some justification for that? (It also seems to use single quote marks rather than the double quote marks that seem more common in Wikipedia articles.) — BarrelProof ( talk) 22:02, 15 August 2022 (UTC)
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Isn't the way that the definite article al behaves before shamsi consonants in Arabic an example of an elision? For instance, the word for sun shams made into a definite noun is pronounced ash-shams with the sh pronounced as a singlular stressed consonant. However it is still written as al-shams in MSA.
Another example from Arabic is in the colloquial dialects, particularly those of the Maghreb, where short vowel sounds are usually omitted. For instance, "kitaab" is pronounced "ktaab".
Kansai people do not elide vowels. Pronoucing every vowel is the basic technique to mimic Kansai-ben. They do elide "ikimasuka?" to "ikimakka?", but I think it is rather influence of Kanto's "ikimasska" than traditional Kansai-ben. So I do not think that Kansai dialect is a good example of eliding dialect. -- Seitaro 09:54, 20 Dec 2004 (UTC)
Why isn't anyone putting in Latin-Romance and English-Japanese elisions? lysdexia 06:55, 31 Jan 2005 (UTC)
Look at the markup I put in: it tells open and shut (long and short) vowels apart, unlike anything or anyone else. Someone needs to update the Japanese to tell what exactly "u" means, and the like. lysdexia 07:48, 31 Jan 2005 (UTC)
Rate my work. How do ye like my exact pronunciations and translations? lysdexia 03:03, 3 Feb 2005 (UTC)
I was thinking about adding chatspeak, like cya, r, u, etc., but they were more acronyms than elisions. French has so many useless (nonfunctional), at least in speech, letters that its shortenings are quite close to the first words. lysdexia 10:04, 20 Feb 2005 (UTC)
I'm not sure what to make of these. There are hundreds of them, and they're not in any discernible order, they contain a myriad unexplained abbreviations, and the "pronunciation" or whatever that is is also in some obscure or undefined system. Further, I don't think that many of them are in fact examples of elision. Certainly not synchronic elision or monolinguistic elision. It should be clarified which are examples of synchronic monolinguistic elision (like e.g. the British pronunciation of secretary) and which are not, like for example coup, which was never pronounced in English with a p sound and while. And then there are the cases that not elision at all, like while, which just derives from a different inflected form of whilst, not an elision of the final -st. And I don't think it's particularly interesting to list every English word which has lost a sound in the course of the history of the language, because that includes pretty much every single word; for example every word that has a final silent e is an example of diachronic elision, but that should be handled by prose that explains the loss of final e, not an exhaustive listing of every word that has a final silent e. Similarly with all the other silent letters. And so on. I find this section to be so useless and misleading that I think it should probably just be deleted (I can't speak to the other languages' sections as I haven't looked at them yet, but they may be problematic too). I will leave it for a few days, but if these issues can't be improved, I geuninely can't see how we can with sound mind leave this heap of misinformation here, and I don't see any way it can be salvaged save removal of nearly everything and careful explanation of everything else. Nohat 05:44, 19 Apr 2005 (UTC)
I've gone through all the English examples and categorized them by what I think they are. The vast majority of them do not represent examples of "elision" except in a very loose sense of some time in the history of English, these words changed in a way that made them have fewer sounds. I don't think this is a very interesting or useful definition of elision, because pretty much every word in English would qualify in some way. I think we should stick to the strict definition of elision, which is where a single sound is deleted from the beginning or the end of a word OR a single vowel is deleted from the middle of word. By delete, I mean that the sound exists in the underlying synchronic form and is deleted in part of the phonological process of uttering the word. Nohat 01:27, 20 Apr 2005 (UTC)
These are things I don't think are examples of elision or anything like elision or I was unable to understand what was being claimed.
Examples of clipping, where large parts of words are cut off the beginning or end--not elision. Elision is just the deletion of a single sound. Also, for some of these cases where it looks like it could be considered elision, it's in fact not, because both the shortened form and the longer form would be considered separate lexemes. When someone says "bod" they're not saying "body" but leaving off the [i], they're saying a different, slang word, which was derived from body.
pudding: "pud"; "pud"
These are diminutives--words that are clipped forms with a diminutive ending added--not elision.
These are examples that represent sound changes in English historical phonology--they may be examples of "elision" but not from a synchronic standpoint. They don't represent elision in any sense that someone is not saying sounds for simplicity--the sounds simply are no longer a part of the word.
These examples are portmanteau words--not elision but combination of parts of two words.
Finally, here are the few examples that I think actually represent a form of elision that occurs synchronically in English phonology. However, before they can be put back, the pronunciations need to be converted to IPA or at the very least explained in a sensible way.
If you were going to make greater changes to this article, you should've emailed me before writing this chaff (L.: crap) as I cannot come to the comments page and Wikipedia doesn't email me updates as every other site does. You have made up exclusionary rules against a term which is defined by the intention of the speaker or writer, that of ease or laziness, which is not taken from a pool of accepted, standard language now but at any time that the elision has happened. I've made sure to not list each and every word that has undergone elision, and reasonably put affixes that class each and every kind of elided particle [which are obvious to read and understand]. If you had any reason to disconsider changes into accepted language, you should have deleted the whole Ebonics section and many of the loanwords in foreign languages. Other than your throwing out of portmanteaux, I'm not convinced that any of your elisions of mine are real or evident. "Clipping" is the rough English for "abbreviation" by intent; "shortening up" is the latter's meaning and former's goal, having nothing to do with the eliding for ease or laziness or corruption across languages and dialects, but specifically with the shortening for the sake of shortening. I may consider an inclusionary list of abbreviations, which includes elisions, but that would be overkill. Can you show how my lists did not meet the goals and meanings of eliding and elision, and thence belong under "abbreviation"?
http://dictionary.com/search?q=elide
(The paste elided my copy, as this text field doesn't understand the images or list rubrics, so it was an instance of elision by corruption. You elided my article, as you didn't understand the affixes, organisation, or careful planning.)
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(The second sense of elision may allow for portmanteaux though.) Where do you get your fantastic beliefs? My pronunciation key was near the ASCII key used by many dictionaries, and it should be read easily by anyone familiar with the common sounds tied to those letters in English. Where do you get off making changes without citation? lysdexia 3 July 2005 03:31 (UTC)
Oh, I deliberately used my version of showing speech because I dispute the IPA's. I deny the existence of the schwa, I object to r/R sounds as being difthongs, I refute its status of r and R as consonants but as vowels, I object to its fictive prescription of whether whichever words are aspirated or unaspirated, I object to its using lone or blended glyfs for clusters as careless overlooking of the intention of the key as showing a one-to-one relationship between sound and glyf, and as no part of speech was given to the words in my list. Do you wish to obscure my work from accuracy? lysdexia 3 July 2005 03:43 (UTC)
Let me set a few things straight:
-- Pablo D. Flores 8 July 2005 02:03 (UTC)
I'm copying some of what Lysdexia replied to my... replies, so as to keep section size down and avoid my head from blowing up.
OK, a wordlist. A wordlist with all the words in English that you consider to have undergone elision, which, by your criteria, are tens of thousands. That your criteria are too broad has been already discussed ad nauseam. That a list with more than a couple dozen items is ridiculous long for the purpose of illustration is IMHO obvious too.
You had said: "Few speakers respect IPA pronunciations anyway, and choose to use their own vowels and accents." And I replied: "Speakers don't know IPA and IPA doesn't tell speakers how to speak. IPA describes, it doesn't prescribe." And now you say:
I'm feeling like... what would be the opposite of "preaching to the choir"? IPA is not supposed to do what you believe it should be supposed to do. Do you understand the difference between a thing and a representation of the thing? And also, you didn't say "prescribe", but that's what you implied when you said "few respect IPA". You don't respect descriptions, you respect laws or principles dictated from outside, i. e. prescriptions.
First of all, you mean English, so why do you generalize? Second, suppose I don't have access to the "many media". Third, why should I cope with a myriad accents listening to CNN, BBC, etc. or watching reruns of Friends or The Simpsons or whatever, if English can be written down using IPA in a very good approximation? A trained linguist might be able to listen and abstract phonemes from speech heard on TV, and then write them down, but the average Joe cannot. Yet you don't need much training to understand the IPA. Millions of students of English throughout the world do it all the time.
Try learning any language using those ideas. If everything a linguistically unaware native speaker considers "an artifact" or unworthy of mention must be suppressed, then it is impossible to note down the language correctly unless you know it beforehand!
How brave.
I don't even know what to call this. Writing has a moral purpose? Having a written language helps me telling right from wrong? I'm sorry for the millions of illiterate people out there. You're not only deeply mistaken but bordering on the strangest kind of fanaticism I've ever encountered.
I meant French.
You said "Aspiration and voicing are independent." I explained why this is not so. Aspiration excludes voicing by definition. Some studies show that English speakers employ aspiration (rather than voicing) to distinguish initial /b/ from initial /p/ for example, so that a non-aspirated initial /p/ tends to be heard as /b/. Which means that aspiration is used as a contrast to voicing.
But it was. If I call features "features", then that's a technical word; better to say that phonemes have certain constituents, "which linguists call features".
About Arabic script:
It's not written defectively. It leaves some things out. You do not write everything, in any language. "Particularly" is stressed over tic, but that is not written anywhere in the word.
I have no idea where that came from, but no, as a matter of fact I don't find it hard. Because I knew the word beforehand, that is.
The IPA doesn't claim anything. The IPA uses conventional symbols for a necessarily incomplete, but approximate enough, transcription. Ch is not t plus sh, but it is formed by a stop part and a fricative part. This is a fact.
-- Pablo D. Flores ( Talk) 14:19, 7 September 2005 (UTC)
I think we can remove the factual accuracy tag from the article now (the criteria for such a dispute are not met anymore). Also, some clarification would be needed as to the meanings of elision. What I'd like to see is a distinction between synchronical elision (which is the one mostly being discussed now), and diachronical elision.
I would rather not include "accidental" elision (that is, simply omitting sounds by mistake or lack of familiarity) and in general the unrestricted, unsystematic meaning of elision as simply "leaving out things". And of course, elision as "leaving symbols out of a written word" should not even be mentioned here.
Nohat, you seem not to agree with the idea of diachronical elision for this article; is this so?
-- Pablo D. Flores 11:10, 15 July 2005 (UTC)
I think we can remove the factual accuracy tag from the article now (the criteria for such a dispute are not met anymore).
The article says that "syncope" is a synonym. The Syncope article is vague about the relationsip, so your input at Talk:Syncope would be valuable. If they are synonyms, the articles should be merged. - Pgan002 07:40, 26 January 2006 (UTC)
"going to" ---> "gonna"
Is this an example of the phenomenon discussed here? Michael Hardy 00:02, 2 July 2006 (UTC)
England football fans often turn "Eng-land" into "En-ger-land". In poetry and songs, the author's choose between the short and long form of words in which elision exists, depending on how many syllables they need. They sing "En-ger-land" because they need three syllables in the tune they sing it to. I believe - though admittedly I have no evidence to back it up - that this is an example of the opposite of elision. Imagine that the actual name of the country was "Engerland". Elision would probably reduce the pronunciation to "En-gland", but in poetry and song, either form would be used depending on the syllables needed. I'm not sure whether there's a name for this reverse process, but it might be worth including in the article. Hope this makes sense. -- 82.4.55.101 ( talk) 12:08, 19 August 2009 (UTC)
The accompanying verb, (to) elide, redirects here. I found this article investigating some articles about (linguistic) ellipses, like Verb phrase ellipsis and Sluicing. These two actually provide short explanations of what they mean by "eliding"; which in their context is the omission of entire words or phrases.
Is there already some other article about this use of "elide" (and thus, I suppose, implicitly or explicitly also "elision")? If not, should one be written; or a paragraph or a short section be added to this one? I'd like to have an adequate link for forms of 'to elide', in such contexts.
I just noted that this talk page is noted as a "stub class poetry article" and a "classical music article". That's two other (related but not identical) usages. Especially the usage in music, IMHO could not be reduced to just a subcase of "phonemic" elision. JoergenB ( talk) 19:27, 21 October 2010 (UTC)
I am against merger of this article with any other. It can stand on its own, and is notable. Furthermore, an article of this age will have an editing history and talk page that would be lost -- along with attributions -- that can not be re-created. I can think of no reason to merge. Bearian ( talk) 19:02, 21 September 2011 (UTC)
Merger might make sense if it were to merge "deletion" into "elision". There is no reason to have the separate "deletion" article as it describes the exact same process but less clearly. To be honest, I think "deletion" is just the layman's term for "elision", in which case any links to "deletion (phonology)" should just direct to "elision". EmCat24 ( talk) 10:24, 9 April 2012 (UTC)
I agree with opposition to merger of elision article into deletion article, and disagree with merger of deletion article into elision article, and advocate that the two remain separate.
One may elide or delete something from a set; however, if an entire set is to be eliminated (and the set is not designated explicitly as a subset of another set), it should be regarded as to be deleted and not as to be elided.
One might elide or delete a character from a character string while one might delete a file or elide a file from a file system.
255.255.255.255 ( talk) 05:55, 24 April 2012 (UTC)
I'm not sure adding that whole quote was necessary or appropriate. Regardless, how is "whisky" an elision? That's how it's spelled. Tad Lincoln ( talk) 19:38, 27 September 2012 (UTC)
The end of the 2nd para uses 'cannot' -- but this is a compound not a contraction. Suggestions?
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I'm going to begin editing with just a few changes and deletions to reduce the thicket of misinformation, mostly in the intro bit above the contents inset. Suggestions, disagreements, etc. can be discussed here. 47.32.20.133 ( talk) 16:45, 27 June 2018 (UTC)
This page [2] mentions that elision is common in Turkish; the article could use some examples from that language. -- Beland ( talk) 16:38, 24 June 2019 (UTC)
I'd like to ask for advice here: the pronunciation /kʌmftərbəl/ is given for 'comfortable', and the pronunciation of the second syllable with /ər/ is new to me. I'm not doubting that some American speakers have this pronunciation: Merriam-Webster gives it, and I can hear it in a number of the American pronunciations of 'comfortable' given in Forvo. I am concerned that some readers may be confused by the presence of a second phonological process in addition to elision: as well as the elision of the /ə/ between /f/ and /t/, the example shows a shift of /r/ from the end of the citations form's second syllable to the end of the following syllable. The example may be confusing because I am sure this shift doesn't happen in non-rhotic English accents and it makes it hard to see how the transcription fits such accents in a diaphonemic fashion. I wonder how many other words show this pattern. I think it should be possible to find a simpler example of elision for this article. RoachPeter ( talk) 14:56, 21 February 2021 (UTC)
The article states that elision applies to sounds or words, but there's no mention of the programming application.
Elision is used when typing out programming syntax is optional, for example the optional comma is called ( https://tc39.es/ecma262/#prod-Elision), and https://doc.rust-lang.org/1.8.0/book/lifetimes.html has the section "Lifetime elision".
Also Copy elision AltoStev ( talk) 19:05, 23 February 2022 (UTC)
This article seems to violate MOS:CURLY. Is there some justification for that? (It also seems to use single quote marks rather than the double quote marks that seem more common in Wikipedia articles.) — BarrelProof ( talk) 22:02, 15 August 2022 (UTC)