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Not only does this article not have the form of a standard Wikipedia article, but it's decidedly POV, making sweeping and probably false statements such as the introductory one. It also needs to be paragraphed.
If the contributor is watching, we appreciate the contribution, which contains a lot of useful information, but would appreciate it if you could help clean it up.
Derrick Coetzee 00:43, 3 Mar 2004 (UTC)
Hi everyone. I started writing a biography on Eliezer Ben-Yehuda in French (see Éliézer Ben Yéhouda) and I have found multiple contradictions in the sources I have found in English and French. Unfortunately, I do not read Hebrew, Yiddish, Russian nor German, nor any other language (shame on me!). I should really get at least one book on him, ideally in French, but those I found online were really expensive! Anyway, I am hoping someone can help me clarify things up. Here are the main problems :
Thank you! Merci! -- Mathieugp 00:46, 12 September 2006 (UTC)
If he was born in Vilna, this is in Lithuania, not in northern Belarus as the text reads. Mountolive | Talk 07:26, 19 March 2007 (UTC)
Oops...I think I understand now: Vilna is mentioned as Vilna Guberniya, not as the city itself. I have made a minor edit which, I think, clarifies the whole thing. Mountolive | Talk 23:12, 27 March 2007 (UTC)
The article reads like a fairy tale with half Charedi zionist downplay and a Reform zionist suck up. None of which decribe Eliezer at all. 203.206.234.139 18:42, 8 July 2007 (UTC)
What is the purpose of this quote where it is. “ Before Ben‑Yehuda...Jews could speak Hebrew; after him, they did. ”
-Cecil Roth, Was Hebrew Ever A Dead Language?
AllenHansen ( talk) 21:29, 15 March 2008 (UTC)
The quote doesn't actually appear in the article (which also isn't a book). It was falsely cited by historian Jack Fellman and then repeated all over the internet. I added a reference to Jack Fellman and reworded the sentence.
Is the date 7 January 1858 a Julian or Gregorian date? -- JackofOz ( talk) 09:16, 24 July 2008 (UTC)
While I agree that Ben Yehuda is very important for WP Israel, I don't think he qualifies as a core Israeli topic, and therefore shouldn't be top-priority on the project. If there are no objections, I will change to high priority. -- Ynhockey ( Talk) 22:25, 27 October 2008 (UTC)
In the "Death and commemoration" section, there is this quote by Cecil Roth stating his opinion of the significance of Ben-Yehuda's legacy: "Before Ben‑Yehuda, Jews could speak Hebrew; after him, they did." This does not seem to be an accurate or reasonable assessment, and I wonder whether its inclusion in this article is really necessary or constructive: it is hardly objective or non-POV. It utterly fails to recognise that Hebrew was spoken only by a very small number of people and only used for religious purposes – little better than Latin today – and it has since become a national language spoken by millions for everyday conversation and is the official language of Israel. To deny that contribution seems to be to pursue some agenda. Does it belong in an encyclopaedia article? (If it does, which I doubt, then certainly the contrary view needs to be included as well.) Richard75 ( talk) 14:16, 24 September 2019 (UTC)
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Not only does this article not have the form of a standard Wikipedia article, but it's decidedly POV, making sweeping and probably false statements such as the introductory one. It also needs to be paragraphed.
If the contributor is watching, we appreciate the contribution, which contains a lot of useful information, but would appreciate it if you could help clean it up.
Derrick Coetzee 00:43, 3 Mar 2004 (UTC)
Hi everyone. I started writing a biography on Eliezer Ben-Yehuda in French (see Éliézer Ben Yéhouda) and I have found multiple contradictions in the sources I have found in English and French. Unfortunately, I do not read Hebrew, Yiddish, Russian nor German, nor any other language (shame on me!). I should really get at least one book on him, ideally in French, but those I found online were really expensive! Anyway, I am hoping someone can help me clarify things up. Here are the main problems :
Thank you! Merci! -- Mathieugp 00:46, 12 September 2006 (UTC)
If he was born in Vilna, this is in Lithuania, not in northern Belarus as the text reads. Mountolive | Talk 07:26, 19 March 2007 (UTC)
Oops...I think I understand now: Vilna is mentioned as Vilna Guberniya, not as the city itself. I have made a minor edit which, I think, clarifies the whole thing. Mountolive | Talk 23:12, 27 March 2007 (UTC)
The article reads like a fairy tale with half Charedi zionist downplay and a Reform zionist suck up. None of which decribe Eliezer at all. 203.206.234.139 18:42, 8 July 2007 (UTC)
What is the purpose of this quote where it is. “ Before Ben‑Yehuda...Jews could speak Hebrew; after him, they did. ”
-Cecil Roth, Was Hebrew Ever A Dead Language?
AllenHansen ( talk) 21:29, 15 March 2008 (UTC)
The quote doesn't actually appear in the article (which also isn't a book). It was falsely cited by historian Jack Fellman and then repeated all over the internet. I added a reference to Jack Fellman and reworded the sentence.
Is the date 7 January 1858 a Julian or Gregorian date? -- JackofOz ( talk) 09:16, 24 July 2008 (UTC)
While I agree that Ben Yehuda is very important for WP Israel, I don't think he qualifies as a core Israeli topic, and therefore shouldn't be top-priority on the project. If there are no objections, I will change to high priority. -- Ynhockey ( Talk) 22:25, 27 October 2008 (UTC)
In the "Death and commemoration" section, there is this quote by Cecil Roth stating his opinion of the significance of Ben-Yehuda's legacy: "Before Ben‑Yehuda, Jews could speak Hebrew; after him, they did." This does not seem to be an accurate or reasonable assessment, and I wonder whether its inclusion in this article is really necessary or constructive: it is hardly objective or non-POV. It utterly fails to recognise that Hebrew was spoken only by a very small number of people and only used for religious purposes – little better than Latin today – and it has since become a national language spoken by millions for everyday conversation and is the official language of Israel. To deny that contribution seems to be to pursue some agenda. Does it belong in an encyclopaedia article? (If it does, which I doubt, then certainly the contrary view needs to be included as well.) Richard75 ( talk) 14:16, 24 September 2019 (UTC)