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Anybody remembers what was the canonical name of the first filesystem format (one with 20-char filenames, w/o fat) ?
also, ANDOS was never a most populr OS for BK, so this phrase was removed.
BTW, K1801 wasn't really a "LSI-11 clone". It was compartible all right (albeit with slight differences, such as lack of MUL command in some versions), but it was a single-crystal CPU, while LSI-11 was a 4-chip set based on Western Digital p-system architecture... --
Khathi
15:33, 15 August 2007 (UTC)
As for 1801, it was indeed a home made design CPU, developed in NII TT initially as 1801VE1 micro-controller. However, industry badly needed a single chip PDP-11 compatible CPU and NII TT had to implement such, using 1801VE1 by rewriting microcode. Here's a bit of info from Angstrem (manufacturer of 1801 series) website: http://www.angstrem.ru/about/history/80/ I personally asked one of 1801 designers Sergey Shisharin to tell the story of 1801 design. Hopefully he will respond soon and tell us the story. Alex904 ( talk) 21:38, 6 June 2009 (UTC)
Uh, I also changed the wording about "approximate clones". I think it's better now --- they "share architectural similarities". Calling BK a clone of PDP-11 is a huge stretch. Anyway, peace out. Svofski 07:58, 5 October 2007 (UTC)
IIRC.. BK Keyboard is not exactly "membrane keyboard", since it uses microswitches covered with paper and plastic overlay. 80.94.171.213 ( talk) 22:14, 26 November 2007 (UTC)
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I've expanded this page a bit, but it's still a work in progress, so please refer your questions/comments here. Next week I plan to add info on the BK history and on gaming/demo community, and put on some inline citations. -- Khathi ( talk) 09:29, 18 January 2009 (UTC)
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it was one of the first fully 16-bit home computers in the world
The Heathkit H11 went on the market in 1978. It was an LSI-11 in a box, and thus essentially identical to the BK in processor terms. The only real difference was packaging; the H11 used plug-in Q-Bus boards for most I/O, while the BK mostly had those on the motherboard.
The BK cost around 600R, in an era when the average worker made about 190R per month, so it was 3 to 4 months pay. In comparison, the H11 was $1300 in an era when the average monthly income in the US was 1,500, so it was about one month's pay (in the BK's release year, the US income was 3,000 per month). Fully expanded with the cards that made it equivalent to the BK still resulted in the H11 being significantly less expensive in equivalent purchasing power terms.
There's very few differences in technical terms, and less in market terms; the BK simply cannot claim "first". Maury Markowitz ( talk)
Even if you would look at the BK-0010 as a single 16-bit microprocessor personal computer, it won't be the first one, in that case first would likely be TI 99/4 (1979).
It wasn't the first, but it was more commercially successful than the Heathkit(4 years produced v/s 9). Also, comparing wages between soviet union and US is quite weird. In other countries any of two alternatives were several wages, or a unacceptable amount of them because monetary differences and also lower (in local and absolute term) wages(I.E. in my country, in 1980 dollar was held 50:1, but average wage was below 50 dollars). In 1985 dollar and ruble were almost 1:1, so even in dollar terms, the change would allow the electronika BK to be a little bit cheaper than heathkit. Also, it's CPU was even more commercially sucessful and wasn't a clone in any sense.
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Anybody remembers what was the canonical name of the first filesystem format (one with 20-char filenames, w/o fat) ?
also, ANDOS was never a most populr OS for BK, so this phrase was removed.
BTW, K1801 wasn't really a "LSI-11 clone". It was compartible all right (albeit with slight differences, such as lack of MUL command in some versions), but it was a single-crystal CPU, while LSI-11 was a 4-chip set based on Western Digital p-system architecture... --
Khathi
15:33, 15 August 2007 (UTC)
As for 1801, it was indeed a home made design CPU, developed in NII TT initially as 1801VE1 micro-controller. However, industry badly needed a single chip PDP-11 compatible CPU and NII TT had to implement such, using 1801VE1 by rewriting microcode. Here's a bit of info from Angstrem (manufacturer of 1801 series) website: http://www.angstrem.ru/about/history/80/ I personally asked one of 1801 designers Sergey Shisharin to tell the story of 1801 design. Hopefully he will respond soon and tell us the story. Alex904 ( talk) 21:38, 6 June 2009 (UTC)
Uh, I also changed the wording about "approximate clones". I think it's better now --- they "share architectural similarities". Calling BK a clone of PDP-11 is a huge stretch. Anyway, peace out. Svofski 07:58, 5 October 2007 (UTC)
IIRC.. BK Keyboard is not exactly "membrane keyboard", since it uses microswitches covered with paper and plastic overlay. 80.94.171.213 ( talk) 22:14, 26 November 2007 (UTC)
Image:Osbk11.png is being used on this article. I notice the image page specifies that the image is being used under fair use but there is no explanation or rationale as to why its use in this Wikipedia article constitutes fair use. In addition to the boilerplate fair use template, you must also write out on the image description page a specific explanation or rationale for why using this image in each article is consistent with fair use.
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BetacommandBot 10:32, 7 November 2007 (UTC)
I've expanded this page a bit, but it's still a work in progress, so please refer your questions/comments here. Next week I plan to add info on the BK history and on gaming/demo community, and put on some inline citations. -- Khathi ( talk) 09:29, 18 January 2009 (UTC)
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it was one of the first fully 16-bit home computers in the world
The Heathkit H11 went on the market in 1978. It was an LSI-11 in a box, and thus essentially identical to the BK in processor terms. The only real difference was packaging; the H11 used plug-in Q-Bus boards for most I/O, while the BK mostly had those on the motherboard.
The BK cost around 600R, in an era when the average worker made about 190R per month, so it was 3 to 4 months pay. In comparison, the H11 was $1300 in an era when the average monthly income in the US was 1,500, so it was about one month's pay (in the BK's release year, the US income was 3,000 per month). Fully expanded with the cards that made it equivalent to the BK still resulted in the H11 being significantly less expensive in equivalent purchasing power terms.
There's very few differences in technical terms, and less in market terms; the BK simply cannot claim "first". Maury Markowitz ( talk)
Even if you would look at the BK-0010 as a single 16-bit microprocessor personal computer, it won't be the first one, in that case first would likely be TI 99/4 (1979).
It wasn't the first, but it was more commercially successful than the Heathkit(4 years produced v/s 9). Also, comparing wages between soviet union and US is quite weird. In other countries any of two alternatives were several wages, or a unacceptable amount of them because monetary differences and also lower (in local and absolute term) wages(I.E. in my country, in 1980 dollar was held 50:1, but average wage was below 50 dollars). In 1985 dollar and ruble were almost 1:1, so even in dollar terms, the change would allow the electronika BK to be a little bit cheaper than heathkit. Also, it's CPU was even more commercially sucessful and wasn't a clone in any sense.