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Machine translation of http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freileitungsmast
Text from parallel article Electric pylons, now changed to a redirect:
Lee M 18:55, 8 Nov 2004 (UTC)
Um, I came here looking for information on the structure from Egyptian architecture. It also occurs to be that there are several other types of "pylon" mentioned nowhere on the page. Shouldn't this really be a disambiguation page? -- Corvun 06:00, 29 Dec 2004 (UTC)
Cleanup notice removed. This article, wherever it may end up is in a readable state. More international references would be useful. Chequers 05:01, Feb 16, 2005 (UTC)
It seems far more logical to keep it "Electrical". Electrical is an adjective. Adjectives modify nouns better than nouns do. Hoho 13:59, 20 Mar 2005 (UTC)
Having worked in the UK Electricity Supply Industry for a number of years the correct term used is Transmission Tower. These towers can be tension, suspension or terminal tower types. The use of the word pylon is to say the least an old fashioned term. This article is sadly littered with them and I cannot say that I have ever heard of an wood pylon. A wood pole overhead Line, yes. A steel tower overhead line, yes. Interestingly we now have a Suspension pylon etc, in this article. One of the issues with this article is that it is trying to be too generic and satisfy everyones view and opinion on what is the correct convention to use. My preference (OK this is POV) is to use the word transmission tower which is more precise and it is what they are and what they do. Aquizard 22:57, 23 July 2007 (UTC)
How tall is an averaged sized electricty pylon. Dontchya think that that would be useful info? Blue Laser ( talk) 00:29, 11 March 2008 (UTC)
Why are power pylons as tall as they are? Some factors, like clearance over obstacles are obvious. Yet one sees very tall pylons, far taller than any possible tree, out in flat open country. It would be nice to add explanation of what other factors go in to setting height of pylons. 174.216.43.63 ( talk) 16:39, 14 June 2018 (UTC)
The official term in British English is "Electricity pylon", not simply "Pylon", and in North American usage, the word "Pylon" refers unequivocally to a traffic cone. Pylon in my opinion should lead to Pylon (disambiguation). -m.nelson ( talk) 22:49, 23 October 2008 (UTC)
There are some balls on the pylon. What is it? and why they are there? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 123.136.101.197 ( talk) 11:10, 31 October 2008 (UTC) what type of balls are they? footballs, human balls, rugby balls???? Needs more explanation! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.112.84.27 ( talk) 07:34, 7 October 2009 (UTC)
They are for warning aircraft. -- 76.77.91.80 ( talk) 23:40, 7 June 2013 (UTC)
I don't know of any better place to state this than here.
It seems to me that these articles have little to no sources, namely ones that state why they are givien the names they're given ("fir tree pylon" what?). Also, since they're all stubs, and all machine translated from the German Wikipedia, AND they've hardly been touched in over five years, I'm proposing merging them all into one article. I'd like to hear opinions on a move like this.
Also, I have been working on what this page would look like if it were done. See here for the page I've put together so far. — Onore Baka Sama( speak | stalk) 13:15, 29 October 2010 (UTC)
So I've been performing several Google searches over the past few days for the name of... this structure, and so far I have found:
So far, I am concluding here that "pylon" and "electricity pylon" is a European thing, especially a United Kingdom thing, as no one else addresses them readily as "pylons". Most of the world at large will say "transmission tower" and instantly be referring to... this structure. Therefore, in the name alone, we have a globalization issue. I say change it.
A disambiguation page (
Transmission tower (disambiguation)) can be made to differentiate between other things with this name, and a hatnote at the top directing people to that article if they are actually looking for radio towers. —
Onore Baka Sama(
speak |
stalk)
21:57, 6 November 2010 (UTC)
Being thoroughly British, I thought they were called "pylons" until I joined the electricity supply industry in the UK as an engineer in 1974. I was told that "we professionals" call them "transmission towers" and that only members of the public call them "pylons" (and that includes the BBC). I have done work internationally, and for that "transmission tower" is definitely what to call them. 86.160.153.211 ( talk) 20:32, 28 April 2016 (UTC)
I noticed a recent comment in recent edits to the article, asking if the "alternatives to pylons" section was appropriate for the article. About a year ago, I added a similar section to the
Utility pole article, but it was extremely truncated quickly. Now... Placing aboveground power lines tends to be a very controversial practice, mostly due to the support structures; most news sources tend to call out the "telephone poles" and "ugly towers" and "steel monsters", and power companies do their best to reduce the visual impact of their steel lattice towers as it is. So, I figured it'd be appropriate to have an alternatives section which addresses aspects of this controversy.
(Currently, in my opinion, it is the best written section in this thing, and not because I contributed to it; my words have been changed around and sources added by... someone.)
So, anyone: Thoughts? Comments? —
Onore Baka Sama(
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stalk)
15:24, 17 November 2010 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: page moved. The main unaddressed concern was the use as a wireless transmitter, but these appear to be called transmitting towers. This view is supported by the template usage and the existing links and the article content. I believe that the suggestion in the discussion to have an overview article is worthwhile. Vegaswikian ( talk) 03:45, 3 December 2010 (UTC)
Electricity pylon →
Transmission tower — with a redirect from the pylon. This would make the article's title consistent with its lead paragraph, and standardize the use to what seems common industry practice on both sides of the Atlantic. "Pylon" seems to be a less common or informal name but with pretty common usage in the UK at least. This article should be about composite (multi-element) structures used to support uninsulated overhead electric power conductors of any voltage class. Yes, transmission is usually over 66 kV...do we need to dwell on that here? --
Wtshymanski (
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22:47, 25 November 2010 (UTC)
I could have overviewed it, but didnt find any remark regarding the hazards presented to conservation (see, for example http://dx.doi.org/10.6084/m9.figshare.1613292 )
In fact, moder pylons can (and often are) properly insulated to avoid such issues (I guess that it comes at a higher cost, though) but myself not being an expert, I invite you guys to ellaborate, if any of you knows about this. It is a major conservation issue, especially when it comes to birds of prey.MOUNTOLIVE fedeli alla linea 14:34, 9 April 2016 (UTC)
I can't find any explanation of what a halfer pylon is here on the article or on the internet, but there is a section here called "Locations Of The Halfer Pylons". What are these halfer pylons?
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Talk:Tag:power%3Dtower#Typical_heights has some heights in Taiwan. Jidanni ( talk) 17:10, 25 March 2021 (UTC)
Mention some in countries [1] color and warning lights are a function of height. Jidanni ( talk) 20:28, 21 January 2022 (UTC)
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Machine translation of http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freileitungsmast
Text from parallel article Electric pylons, now changed to a redirect:
Lee M 18:55, 8 Nov 2004 (UTC)
Um, I came here looking for information on the structure from Egyptian architecture. It also occurs to be that there are several other types of "pylon" mentioned nowhere on the page. Shouldn't this really be a disambiguation page? -- Corvun 06:00, 29 Dec 2004 (UTC)
Cleanup notice removed. This article, wherever it may end up is in a readable state. More international references would be useful. Chequers 05:01, Feb 16, 2005 (UTC)
It seems far more logical to keep it "Electrical". Electrical is an adjective. Adjectives modify nouns better than nouns do. Hoho 13:59, 20 Mar 2005 (UTC)
Having worked in the UK Electricity Supply Industry for a number of years the correct term used is Transmission Tower. These towers can be tension, suspension or terminal tower types. The use of the word pylon is to say the least an old fashioned term. This article is sadly littered with them and I cannot say that I have ever heard of an wood pylon. A wood pole overhead Line, yes. A steel tower overhead line, yes. Interestingly we now have a Suspension pylon etc, in this article. One of the issues with this article is that it is trying to be too generic and satisfy everyones view and opinion on what is the correct convention to use. My preference (OK this is POV) is to use the word transmission tower which is more precise and it is what they are and what they do. Aquizard 22:57, 23 July 2007 (UTC)
How tall is an averaged sized electricty pylon. Dontchya think that that would be useful info? Blue Laser ( talk) 00:29, 11 March 2008 (UTC)
Why are power pylons as tall as they are? Some factors, like clearance over obstacles are obvious. Yet one sees very tall pylons, far taller than any possible tree, out in flat open country. It would be nice to add explanation of what other factors go in to setting height of pylons. 174.216.43.63 ( talk) 16:39, 14 June 2018 (UTC)
The official term in British English is "Electricity pylon", not simply "Pylon", and in North American usage, the word "Pylon" refers unequivocally to a traffic cone. Pylon in my opinion should lead to Pylon (disambiguation). -m.nelson ( talk) 22:49, 23 October 2008 (UTC)
There are some balls on the pylon. What is it? and why they are there? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 123.136.101.197 ( talk) 11:10, 31 October 2008 (UTC) what type of balls are they? footballs, human balls, rugby balls???? Needs more explanation! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.112.84.27 ( talk) 07:34, 7 October 2009 (UTC)
They are for warning aircraft. -- 76.77.91.80 ( talk) 23:40, 7 June 2013 (UTC)
I don't know of any better place to state this than here.
It seems to me that these articles have little to no sources, namely ones that state why they are givien the names they're given ("fir tree pylon" what?). Also, since they're all stubs, and all machine translated from the German Wikipedia, AND they've hardly been touched in over five years, I'm proposing merging them all into one article. I'd like to hear opinions on a move like this.
Also, I have been working on what this page would look like if it were done. See here for the page I've put together so far. — Onore Baka Sama( speak | stalk) 13:15, 29 October 2010 (UTC)
So I've been performing several Google searches over the past few days for the name of... this structure, and so far I have found:
So far, I am concluding here that "pylon" and "electricity pylon" is a European thing, especially a United Kingdom thing, as no one else addresses them readily as "pylons". Most of the world at large will say "transmission tower" and instantly be referring to... this structure. Therefore, in the name alone, we have a globalization issue. I say change it.
A disambiguation page (
Transmission tower (disambiguation)) can be made to differentiate between other things with this name, and a hatnote at the top directing people to that article if they are actually looking for radio towers. —
Onore Baka Sama(
speak |
stalk)
21:57, 6 November 2010 (UTC)
Being thoroughly British, I thought they were called "pylons" until I joined the electricity supply industry in the UK as an engineer in 1974. I was told that "we professionals" call them "transmission towers" and that only members of the public call them "pylons" (and that includes the BBC). I have done work internationally, and for that "transmission tower" is definitely what to call them. 86.160.153.211 ( talk) 20:32, 28 April 2016 (UTC)
I noticed a recent comment in recent edits to the article, asking if the "alternatives to pylons" section was appropriate for the article. About a year ago, I added a similar section to the
Utility pole article, but it was extremely truncated quickly. Now... Placing aboveground power lines tends to be a very controversial practice, mostly due to the support structures; most news sources tend to call out the "telephone poles" and "ugly towers" and "steel monsters", and power companies do their best to reduce the visual impact of their steel lattice towers as it is. So, I figured it'd be appropriate to have an alternatives section which addresses aspects of this controversy.
(Currently, in my opinion, it is the best written section in this thing, and not because I contributed to it; my words have been changed around and sources added by... someone.)
So, anyone: Thoughts? Comments? —
Onore Baka Sama(
speak |
stalk)
15:24, 17 November 2010 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: page moved. The main unaddressed concern was the use as a wireless transmitter, but these appear to be called transmitting towers. This view is supported by the template usage and the existing links and the article content. I believe that the suggestion in the discussion to have an overview article is worthwhile. Vegaswikian ( talk) 03:45, 3 December 2010 (UTC)
Electricity pylon →
Transmission tower — with a redirect from the pylon. This would make the article's title consistent with its lead paragraph, and standardize the use to what seems common industry practice on both sides of the Atlantic. "Pylon" seems to be a less common or informal name but with pretty common usage in the UK at least. This article should be about composite (multi-element) structures used to support uninsulated overhead electric power conductors of any voltage class. Yes, transmission is usually over 66 kV...do we need to dwell on that here? --
Wtshymanski (
talk)
22:47, 25 November 2010 (UTC)
I could have overviewed it, but didnt find any remark regarding the hazards presented to conservation (see, for example http://dx.doi.org/10.6084/m9.figshare.1613292 )
In fact, moder pylons can (and often are) properly insulated to avoid such issues (I guess that it comes at a higher cost, though) but myself not being an expert, I invite you guys to ellaborate, if any of you knows about this. It is a major conservation issue, especially when it comes to birds of prey.MOUNTOLIVE fedeli alla linea 14:34, 9 April 2016 (UTC)
I can't find any explanation of what a halfer pylon is here on the article or on the internet, but there is a section here called "Locations Of The Halfer Pylons". What are these halfer pylons?
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Talk:Tag:power%3Dtower#Typical_heights has some heights in Taiwan. Jidanni ( talk) 17:10, 25 March 2021 (UTC)
Mention some in countries [1] color and warning lights are a function of height. Jidanni ( talk) 20:28, 21 January 2022 (UTC)