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Wow. I found a page that serves as a clearinghouse for all the anti-UAW myths that can be found on the internets. Nice work, people. By the way, CNS news is not really reliable. They kind of distort things. 173.8.220.209 ( talk) 15:24, 27 May 2009 (UTC)
In July 2009, the U.S. Senate voted against the Auto Stock for Every Taxpayer Act 59 to 38. Only one Democrat voted for it. Source Grundle2600 ( talk) 18:00, 24 August 2009 (UTC)
Is this article totalled?
For one thing, despite the title, this seems to be more of an excoriation of any parties that were or would be involved in the automobile industry than an examination of the actual effects of the crisis on the U.S. or the response to it. For another thing the authors seemed to have lost interest as the economy in general and the auto industry in particular has improved, although surely the effects are either still ongoing and/or they were overstated to begin with. (This may in part be because a primary author was topic-banned from political articles for tendentiously pushing Libertarian and/or conservative POV, if I may boil it down to that.) Yet this miserable article remains.
I'm uncertain if this article is even necessary, given Automotive industry crisis of 2008–2010. It seems to have been designed as a coatrack, an effort to dissuade or discredit any efforts that would be made on the industry's behalf, and far from being interested in the actual effects seems mostly about the debate and prognostications approaching the intervention. I'm wondering if people whose main interest/area of expertise is economics might help to determine whether this article is salvageable or whether anything worth expounding upon from the general article would best be done by starting from scratch. Thanks, Abrazame ( talk) 12:42, 24 January 2010 (UTC)
Whoever originally built this article put a lot of work in, and this complex subject wasn't easy to cover. At this point, the article needs to be put into the past tense (it was clearly written as these things were transpiring). Some excessive detail has crept in, as it was unclear what would be notable while the debates were ongoing. I'm going to take a few stabs at this, including some minor rearranging.
Regarding the {citation required} tags I'm adding; please remember that they don't mean that I disagree with the statement, merely that it's important and requires verification. Thanks for your patience. Uberhill 15:24, 25 May 2011 (UTC)
OK, I've done what I can at this point. Some work remains:
I hope this has helped, in the main, and that I haven't accidentally set off anybody's buttons. Uberhill 17:04, 25 May 2011 (UTC)
This article clearly states that people were not happy with Obama for the auto industry bailout, but the bailout was written and signed before Obama assumed the office of United States President. I don't believe Senators are permitted to sign off alone on federal bailouts. "In late September 2008, Congress approved a more than $630 billion spending bill, which included a measure for $25 billion in loans to the auto industry. These low-interest loans are intended to aid the industry in its push to build more fuel-efficient, environmentally-friendly vehicles. The Detroit 3 -- General Motors, Ford and Chrysler -- will be the primary beneficiaries." Source: http://www.propublica.org/special/government-bailouts Please consider historical accuracy ABOVE partisanship when writing and publishing a Wikipedia article. Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.195.19.151 ( talk) 00:11, 4 June 2011 (UTC)
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Wow. I found a page that serves as a clearinghouse for all the anti-UAW myths that can be found on the internets. Nice work, people. By the way, CNS news is not really reliable. They kind of distort things. 173.8.220.209 ( talk) 15:24, 27 May 2009 (UTC)
In July 2009, the U.S. Senate voted against the Auto Stock for Every Taxpayer Act 59 to 38. Only one Democrat voted for it. Source Grundle2600 ( talk) 18:00, 24 August 2009 (UTC)
Is this article totalled?
For one thing, despite the title, this seems to be more of an excoriation of any parties that were or would be involved in the automobile industry than an examination of the actual effects of the crisis on the U.S. or the response to it. For another thing the authors seemed to have lost interest as the economy in general and the auto industry in particular has improved, although surely the effects are either still ongoing and/or they were overstated to begin with. (This may in part be because a primary author was topic-banned from political articles for tendentiously pushing Libertarian and/or conservative POV, if I may boil it down to that.) Yet this miserable article remains.
I'm uncertain if this article is even necessary, given Automotive industry crisis of 2008–2010. It seems to have been designed as a coatrack, an effort to dissuade or discredit any efforts that would be made on the industry's behalf, and far from being interested in the actual effects seems mostly about the debate and prognostications approaching the intervention. I'm wondering if people whose main interest/area of expertise is economics might help to determine whether this article is salvageable or whether anything worth expounding upon from the general article would best be done by starting from scratch. Thanks, Abrazame ( talk) 12:42, 24 January 2010 (UTC)
Whoever originally built this article put a lot of work in, and this complex subject wasn't easy to cover. At this point, the article needs to be put into the past tense (it was clearly written as these things were transpiring). Some excessive detail has crept in, as it was unclear what would be notable while the debates were ongoing. I'm going to take a few stabs at this, including some minor rearranging.
Regarding the {citation required} tags I'm adding; please remember that they don't mean that I disagree with the statement, merely that it's important and requires verification. Thanks for your patience. Uberhill 15:24, 25 May 2011 (UTC)
OK, I've done what I can at this point. Some work remains:
I hope this has helped, in the main, and that I haven't accidentally set off anybody's buttons. Uberhill 17:04, 25 May 2011 (UTC)
This article clearly states that people were not happy with Obama for the auto industry bailout, but the bailout was written and signed before Obama assumed the office of United States President. I don't believe Senators are permitted to sign off alone on federal bailouts. "In late September 2008, Congress approved a more than $630 billion spending bill, which included a measure for $25 billion in loans to the auto industry. These low-interest loans are intended to aid the industry in its push to build more fuel-efficient, environmentally-friendly vehicles. The Detroit 3 -- General Motors, Ford and Chrysler -- will be the primary beneficiaries." Source: http://www.propublica.org/special/government-bailouts Please consider historical accuracy ABOVE partisanship when writing and publishing a Wikipedia article. Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.195.19.151 ( talk) 00:11, 4 June 2011 (UTC)
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