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The wonderful table in the "GDP history of India after Independence" section is a perfect candidate for turning into a graphical chart for easier reading. -- Beland ( talk) 04:46, 14 September 2015 (UTC)
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I kept the summary of research findings cited to Angus Maddison. He was a leading scholar and specialist on the economic history of GNP, including India. Wikipedia depends on research of major scholars like him to provide reliable secondary sources that we summarize the OR rules applies NOT to scholars but only to Wiki editors who make new claims not supported by a reliable source. the rule = Wikipedia does not publish original thought. All material in Wikipedia must be attributable to a reliable, published source. Rjensen ( talk) 07:09, 19 October 2018 (UTC)
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A previous edit to the introduction of this article changed the section on the medieval Indian economy to state: "India experienced per capita GDP recession in the high medieval era after 1000 CE, during the Delhi Sultanate in the north and Vijayanagara Empire in the south, and was still not as productive as 15th century Ming China until the 76th century. By 1760, when most of the Indian subcontinent had been reunited under Aurangzeb, the Mughal Empire through Islamic economics' policies, became one of the least productive and manufacturing power in the world, producing less than one eighth of global GDP, before fragmenting and being conquered over the century."
There are a number of factual errors and inconsistencies in this statement, such as "India experienced per capita GDP recession" (which contradicts the rest of the article) and states that Aurangzeb had reunited the Indian subcontinent by 1760, although Aurangzeb died in 1707. Can this page be protected from such vandalism?
I'm just gonna copy from Mughal empire talk page: "Hello, I've read and checked all the sources in Economy section, and I have huge problems with it. Gdp of Mughal empire is reference to Maddison page 256, but the table here says nothing on gdp, it only gives population estimates. I don't doubt it was approximately those figures, but the reference does not back it up. The claim that "Mughal India was the world leader in manufacturing" referencing Parthasarathi p2, but it actually says: "The first was the competitive challenge of Indian cotton textiles, which in the eighteenth century were the most important manufactured good in world trade and were consumed from the Americas to Japan", nothing about Mughal empire being worlds leading manufacture.
Labour section is particularly problematic. The claim that: "Mughal India's workforce had a higher percentage in the non-primary sector than Europe's workforce did at the time" is referenced to Cipolla. But Cipolla says that "Because of lack of statistical data, no one will ever know with any degree of accuracy what percentage of European population was employed in the primary sector". Ciopolla says that even for mid 18 century the data is imprecise. Most importantly neither Cipolla nor Yazdani say that Mughals had higher percentage in the non primary sector then europe. This statement is simply original research, combining two sources to draw conclusion . In fact I've never saw any economic historian saying anything like this.
The claim that "Real wages and living standards in 18th-century Mughal Bengal and South India were higher than in Britain, which in turn had the highest living standards in Europe" is also wrong.Parthasarathi says that: "At the moment, the quantitative data are inconclusive, but the figures for India that have been obtained from primary sources are radically different from the scattered earnings data found in the secondary literature. This indicates that more research is needed on the basis of primary evidence for India". In fact the whole point of his wage analysis, as far as I can see, is that old estimates are probably wrong and more research is needed on India's wages. Neither he, nor Sivramkrishna who is referenced in his book says that indian wages and living standard where higher then British, this is simply original research. Moreover Parthasarathi analysis is mainly on post Mughal India.
I also can't verify the claim that according to Paul Bairoch India have higher gnp per capita the Europe until late 18 century. Similarly I can't varify that "According to Moosvi, Mughal India also had a per-capita income 1.24% higher in the late 16th century than British India did in the early 20th century", since I don't have access to her book. And claim "However, in a system where wealth was hoarded by elites, wages were depressed for manual labour, though no less than labour wages in Europe at the time", referencing Parthasarathi p 39-45.I've read the book and I can't find anything about European wages being depressed by elites.
There are lots of other problems there, like saying that Bengal Subah generated 50% of empire gdp(!!!), using some polemical and non reliable article in some newspaper. I feel this section would benefit from considerable rewriting/cleanup."
This article have lots of the same problems. I'll do cleanup once I have time DMKR2005 ( talk) 17:44, 24 January 2021 (UTC)
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mughal economy never mentions gdp per capita nor does it mention anything about income inequality anything about manufacturing. and why arent maratha contributions used and what about the guptas..
the article stats that gdp per capita only increased after 1000ce even though the sources contradict that. its straight up wrong [unsigned]
added the gupta empire to the line https://books.google.co.in/books?id=I242EL00ieAC&pg=PA260&redir_esc=y#v=onepage&q&f=false
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The wonderful table in the "GDP history of India after Independence" section is a perfect candidate for turning into a graphical chart for easier reading. -- Beland ( talk) 04:46, 14 September 2015 (UTC)
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I kept the summary of research findings cited to Angus Maddison. He was a leading scholar and specialist on the economic history of GNP, including India. Wikipedia depends on research of major scholars like him to provide reliable secondary sources that we summarize the OR rules applies NOT to scholars but only to Wiki editors who make new claims not supported by a reliable source. the rule = Wikipedia does not publish original thought. All material in Wikipedia must be attributable to a reliable, published source. Rjensen ( talk) 07:09, 19 October 2018 (UTC)
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A previous edit to the introduction of this article changed the section on the medieval Indian economy to state: "India experienced per capita GDP recession in the high medieval era after 1000 CE, during the Delhi Sultanate in the north and Vijayanagara Empire in the south, and was still not as productive as 15th century Ming China until the 76th century. By 1760, when most of the Indian subcontinent had been reunited under Aurangzeb, the Mughal Empire through Islamic economics' policies, became one of the least productive and manufacturing power in the world, producing less than one eighth of global GDP, before fragmenting and being conquered over the century."
There are a number of factual errors and inconsistencies in this statement, such as "India experienced per capita GDP recession" (which contradicts the rest of the article) and states that Aurangzeb had reunited the Indian subcontinent by 1760, although Aurangzeb died in 1707. Can this page be protected from such vandalism?
I'm just gonna copy from Mughal empire talk page: "Hello, I've read and checked all the sources in Economy section, and I have huge problems with it. Gdp of Mughal empire is reference to Maddison page 256, but the table here says nothing on gdp, it only gives population estimates. I don't doubt it was approximately those figures, but the reference does not back it up. The claim that "Mughal India was the world leader in manufacturing" referencing Parthasarathi p2, but it actually says: "The first was the competitive challenge of Indian cotton textiles, which in the eighteenth century were the most important manufactured good in world trade and were consumed from the Americas to Japan", nothing about Mughal empire being worlds leading manufacture.
Labour section is particularly problematic. The claim that: "Mughal India's workforce had a higher percentage in the non-primary sector than Europe's workforce did at the time" is referenced to Cipolla. But Cipolla says that "Because of lack of statistical data, no one will ever know with any degree of accuracy what percentage of European population was employed in the primary sector". Ciopolla says that even for mid 18 century the data is imprecise. Most importantly neither Cipolla nor Yazdani say that Mughals had higher percentage in the non primary sector then europe. This statement is simply original research, combining two sources to draw conclusion . In fact I've never saw any economic historian saying anything like this.
The claim that "Real wages and living standards in 18th-century Mughal Bengal and South India were higher than in Britain, which in turn had the highest living standards in Europe" is also wrong.Parthasarathi says that: "At the moment, the quantitative data are inconclusive, but the figures for India that have been obtained from primary sources are radically different from the scattered earnings data found in the secondary literature. This indicates that more research is needed on the basis of primary evidence for India". In fact the whole point of his wage analysis, as far as I can see, is that old estimates are probably wrong and more research is needed on India's wages. Neither he, nor Sivramkrishna who is referenced in his book says that indian wages and living standard where higher then British, this is simply original research. Moreover Parthasarathi analysis is mainly on post Mughal India.
I also can't verify the claim that according to Paul Bairoch India have higher gnp per capita the Europe until late 18 century. Similarly I can't varify that "According to Moosvi, Mughal India also had a per-capita income 1.24% higher in the late 16th century than British India did in the early 20th century", since I don't have access to her book. And claim "However, in a system where wealth was hoarded by elites, wages were depressed for manual labour, though no less than labour wages in Europe at the time", referencing Parthasarathi p 39-45.I've read the book and I can't find anything about European wages being depressed by elites.
There are lots of other problems there, like saying that Bengal Subah generated 50% of empire gdp(!!!), using some polemical and non reliable article in some newspaper. I feel this section would benefit from considerable rewriting/cleanup."
This article have lots of the same problems. I'll do cleanup once I have time DMKR2005 ( talk) 17:44, 24 January 2021 (UTC)
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mughal economy never mentions gdp per capita nor does it mention anything about income inequality anything about manufacturing. and why arent maratha contributions used and what about the guptas..
the article stats that gdp per capita only increased after 1000ce even though the sources contradict that. its straight up wrong [unsigned]
added the gupta empire to the line https://books.google.co.in/books?id=I242EL00ieAC&pg=PA260&redir_esc=y#v=onepage&q&f=false