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What does this mean? Did the Western languages drop many entire word-final syllables from the parent language(s), which were maintained by the Eastern? Or is it supposed to say "vowels" or "consonants" instead of "syllables"? Otherwise the sentence makes no sense, since all words have to "end with syllables." — ˈzɪzɨvə ( talk) 00:50, 17 June 2009 (UTC) Lol I was about to "discuss" about this. Don't know what its supposed to say tho. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 140.247.79.214 ( talk) 15:19, 28 October 2010 (UTC)
This article was based on Ethnologue, which in turn follows Linguist List. These organizations undertake to maintain a current classification of the world's languages (whichever ones they can reach). Linguist List assigns an ISO code, which Ethnologue adopts. WP likes Linguist List, perhaps because it too likes to be culturally up-to-date. Being up-to-date, however, means frequently changing. Since this article and all the other related articles were created and abandoned by their editors Linguist List has done a double-take and has reclassified the Eastern Iranian languages as well as making a few other changes. So, our articles are not up-to-date. I suppose the original editors are still in shock about it. No one is working on these articles. We do have to be brought up to date and most of them needed clean-up anyway. I am doing some work in this area, very slowly. But, that is what generally is mainly wrong with them, apart from the usual reference and book citation clean-up required, and the over-condensation introducing ambiguity. That's what they need. Dave ( talk) 12:22, 13 October 2010 (UTC)
The Pamir group is merely a territorial grouping of languages, not a purely linguistic one. The actual article on Eastern Iranian languages needs to have more information on the various models of the actual classification of Eastern Iranian languages. It needs to have info on Pamir languages also, and it will be beneficial to mention the geographical location of each of these languages. So I agree with the suggestion of another user that Pamir languages must be merged here to help expand this article. Khestwol ( talk) 10:49, 18 March 2015 (UTC)
Hey my friend I would disagree with any such merger. Indeed there might not be any linguistic justification for the postulation of a so called Pamiri language group. However if one does that one might as well get rid of the pages on the Pamiri people or the Uyghur people in which say that both are ethnicities. Before the Bolshevik revolution there is no evidence of the notion of there being a common Pamiri or Uyghur Ethnicity being visualized or constructed. Evidence points to a later date of conceptualization for both. The term "Pamiri Languages" nonetheless remains widespread academic usage and as serves exists as a constructed entity that helps define an 'imagined community' that being imagined becomes real. The Wikipedia page on Paleo-Siberian languages still exists and admittedly there is not always any significant linguistic commonality between the languages of these groups. I would like to keep the page on 'Pamiri languages' with the caveat that it is made explicit that the category of 'Pamiri languages' is quite constructed and wanting of comparable linguistic cohesively. Zaharous ( talk) 12:26, 12 October 2015 (UTC)
I've nominated the two categories for Northeastern and Southeastern Iranian up for deletion: Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2020 December 30#Northeastern and Southeastern Iranian. – Uanfala (talk) 15:09, 30 December 2020 (UTC)
The map showing the Iranic languages regions is definitely wrong. The NorthWestern region of Iran (Azerbaijan) does not speak in Iranic language. They speak Azerbaijani Turkic, which is an Altaic language. The map gives the reference for the map as " en:Image:Moderniranianlanguagesmap24.PNG". But if you click on the link you'll find the Azerbaijani region is not painted. Why are you giving wrong information? Farshad
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What does this mean? Did the Western languages drop many entire word-final syllables from the parent language(s), which were maintained by the Eastern? Or is it supposed to say "vowels" or "consonants" instead of "syllables"? Otherwise the sentence makes no sense, since all words have to "end with syllables." — ˈzɪzɨvə ( talk) 00:50, 17 June 2009 (UTC) Lol I was about to "discuss" about this. Don't know what its supposed to say tho. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 140.247.79.214 ( talk) 15:19, 28 October 2010 (UTC)
This article was based on Ethnologue, which in turn follows Linguist List. These organizations undertake to maintain a current classification of the world's languages (whichever ones they can reach). Linguist List assigns an ISO code, which Ethnologue adopts. WP likes Linguist List, perhaps because it too likes to be culturally up-to-date. Being up-to-date, however, means frequently changing. Since this article and all the other related articles were created and abandoned by their editors Linguist List has done a double-take and has reclassified the Eastern Iranian languages as well as making a few other changes. So, our articles are not up-to-date. I suppose the original editors are still in shock about it. No one is working on these articles. We do have to be brought up to date and most of them needed clean-up anyway. I am doing some work in this area, very slowly. But, that is what generally is mainly wrong with them, apart from the usual reference and book citation clean-up required, and the over-condensation introducing ambiguity. That's what they need. Dave ( talk) 12:22, 13 October 2010 (UTC)
The Pamir group is merely a territorial grouping of languages, not a purely linguistic one. The actual article on Eastern Iranian languages needs to have more information on the various models of the actual classification of Eastern Iranian languages. It needs to have info on Pamir languages also, and it will be beneficial to mention the geographical location of each of these languages. So I agree with the suggestion of another user that Pamir languages must be merged here to help expand this article. Khestwol ( talk) 10:49, 18 March 2015 (UTC)
Hey my friend I would disagree with any such merger. Indeed there might not be any linguistic justification for the postulation of a so called Pamiri language group. However if one does that one might as well get rid of the pages on the Pamiri people or the Uyghur people in which say that both are ethnicities. Before the Bolshevik revolution there is no evidence of the notion of there being a common Pamiri or Uyghur Ethnicity being visualized or constructed. Evidence points to a later date of conceptualization for both. The term "Pamiri Languages" nonetheless remains widespread academic usage and as serves exists as a constructed entity that helps define an 'imagined community' that being imagined becomes real. The Wikipedia page on Paleo-Siberian languages still exists and admittedly there is not always any significant linguistic commonality between the languages of these groups. I would like to keep the page on 'Pamiri languages' with the caveat that it is made explicit that the category of 'Pamiri languages' is quite constructed and wanting of comparable linguistic cohesively. Zaharous ( talk) 12:26, 12 October 2015 (UTC)
I've nominated the two categories for Northeastern and Southeastern Iranian up for deletion: Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2020 December 30#Northeastern and Southeastern Iranian. – Uanfala (talk) 15:09, 30 December 2020 (UTC)
The map showing the Iranic languages regions is definitely wrong. The NorthWestern region of Iran (Azerbaijan) does not speak in Iranic language. They speak Azerbaijani Turkic, which is an Altaic language. The map gives the reference for the map as " en:Image:Moderniranianlanguagesmap24.PNG". But if you click on the link you'll find the Azerbaijani region is not painted. Why are you giving wrong information? Farshad