My Russian is a little rusty, I have added two sources to the article that state the breed was developed in the Byelorussian SSR, [1] [2] do any of the Russian language sources state the breed is Russian? Otherwise I think we should amend the infobox country of origin (and possibly the navbox) to Belarus, but retain the Russian kennel club recognition as it appears they were first standardised in what is now Russia. Cavalryman ( talk) 23:55, 30 June 2020 (UTC).
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What is meant in the article by "black or sable"? Isn't sable another word for black? My Russian is essentially non-existent, so this is based on Google Translate, which I know to be a very unreliable tool, but the description given by the breed association here seems to list rather different colours (black, grey with black saddle, black-and-tan, (wolf) grey). Ping Cavalryman, who I believe added this material. Justlettersandnumbers ( talk) 21:00, 15 May 2021 (UTC)
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I have tried multiple times to correct misinformation in the East European Shepherd article. I have put citation and reputable sites such as the Russian sites pertaining to this breed. Please anyone reading this article know that there's a lot of misinformation, and one needs to reach out to a reputable breeder or Russian site to get factual information. Melaniemayday ( talk) 15:49, 10 January 2022 (UTC)
So my "best" sources are 1. A Russian east European Shepherd breeder who's family has bred them for generations. 2. A Ukraine breeder who has bred them for many years 3. A German breeder who has bred them for many years
All of these breeders are highly and fully dedicated to the advocacy for this breed. I'm close with them all as I'm working to become a breeder myself and have already imported 4 East European Shepherds over the years. The current sources are just dog encyclopedias with no dedication to specific breeds, just overall knowledge. Some which is incorrect unfortunately. I don't know how I can list sources that are actual experienced experts in this breed. Their webpages talk about them. The Russian breeder has a full book almost on her page about them and how her family has bred them for generations, you can't get a better expert in a breed than that. Melaniemayday ( talk) 13:46, 14 January 2022 (UTC)
The most significant misinformation is the "selectively bred" from German shepherds, this is highly inaccurate as many other breeds were incorporated. There are other small inaccuracies, but less significant. Melaniemayday ( talk) 13:48, 14 January 2022 (UTC)
The problem is most English sites do not have accurate information regarding this breed, which is why my source was the rkf Russian kennel club which was the original kennel club to recognize this breed. I don't understand how a founding breed club is not a reliable source? That is the same as saying the American kennel club is not a reliable source for dog breed history. The American kennel club is regarded as one of the best sources for accurate information when it comes to dogs and dog breeds. So I am just confused as to why the rkf Russian kennel club that founded the recognition of this breed is not a reliable source? And why I consider the breeders reliable is because they are three different breeders from different countries who all agree on the history of this breed including a breeder who has worked with said breed and her family for generations potentially back to the founding of the breed. Now I will admit that some sources different versions such as some say a "variety of unknown local Russian breeds" were incorporated while others specifically say "Central Asian shepherd, West Siberian lakia, etc" were incorporated in the making of this breed. So it doesn't have to say the specific breeds but to say that this breed was selectively bred from just German shepherds is highly inaccurate. Melaniemayday ( talk) 19:24, 14 January 2022 (UTC)
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My Russian is a little rusty, I have added two sources to the article that state the breed was developed in the Byelorussian SSR, [1] [2] do any of the Russian language sources state the breed is Russian? Otherwise I think we should amend the infobox country of origin (and possibly the navbox) to Belarus, but retain the Russian kennel club recognition as it appears they were first standardised in what is now Russia. Cavalryman ( talk) 23:55, 30 June 2020 (UTC).
References
What is meant in the article by "black or sable"? Isn't sable another word for black? My Russian is essentially non-existent, so this is based on Google Translate, which I know to be a very unreliable tool, but the description given by the breed association here seems to list rather different colours (black, grey with black saddle, black-and-tan, (wolf) grey). Ping Cavalryman, who I believe added this material. Justlettersandnumbers ( talk) 21:00, 15 May 2021 (UTC)
References
I have tried multiple times to correct misinformation in the East European Shepherd article. I have put citation and reputable sites such as the Russian sites pertaining to this breed. Please anyone reading this article know that there's a lot of misinformation, and one needs to reach out to a reputable breeder or Russian site to get factual information. Melaniemayday ( talk) 15:49, 10 January 2022 (UTC)
So my "best" sources are 1. A Russian east European Shepherd breeder who's family has bred them for generations. 2. A Ukraine breeder who has bred them for many years 3. A German breeder who has bred them for many years
All of these breeders are highly and fully dedicated to the advocacy for this breed. I'm close with them all as I'm working to become a breeder myself and have already imported 4 East European Shepherds over the years. The current sources are just dog encyclopedias with no dedication to specific breeds, just overall knowledge. Some which is incorrect unfortunately. I don't know how I can list sources that are actual experienced experts in this breed. Their webpages talk about them. The Russian breeder has a full book almost on her page about them and how her family has bred them for generations, you can't get a better expert in a breed than that. Melaniemayday ( talk) 13:46, 14 January 2022 (UTC)
The most significant misinformation is the "selectively bred" from German shepherds, this is highly inaccurate as many other breeds were incorporated. There are other small inaccuracies, but less significant. Melaniemayday ( talk) 13:48, 14 January 2022 (UTC)
The problem is most English sites do not have accurate information regarding this breed, which is why my source was the rkf Russian kennel club which was the original kennel club to recognize this breed. I don't understand how a founding breed club is not a reliable source? That is the same as saying the American kennel club is not a reliable source for dog breed history. The American kennel club is regarded as one of the best sources for accurate information when it comes to dogs and dog breeds. So I am just confused as to why the rkf Russian kennel club that founded the recognition of this breed is not a reliable source? And why I consider the breeders reliable is because they are three different breeders from different countries who all agree on the history of this breed including a breeder who has worked with said breed and her family for generations potentially back to the founding of the breed. Now I will admit that some sources different versions such as some say a "variety of unknown local Russian breeds" were incorporated while others specifically say "Central Asian shepherd, West Siberian lakia, etc" were incorporated in the making of this breed. So it doesn't have to say the specific breeds but to say that this breed was selectively bred from just German shepherds is highly inaccurate. Melaniemayday ( talk) 19:24, 14 January 2022 (UTC)