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This article originated in language, thought, idea and expressions from The East-West Dichotomy by Dr. Thorsten Pattberg. I am the author of The East-West Dichotomy. The article was created from my book, as seen in the discussion link below. Certain editors initially applauded then decided that since the author wasn't notable as a graduate student at Peking University and Harvard University at that time, they could simple snatch his idea, rewrite the text, change a few references, and pose this article as their own ideas and research. The old discussion can be found here: /info/en/?search=Talk:East%E2%80%93West_dichotomy/Archive_1 Sorry for the inconveniences. I hope that some editors can fix this. This plagiarism note should not be removed.
Plagiarism is the "wrongful appropriation" and "purloining and publication" of another author's "language, thoughts, ideas, or expressions," and the representation of them as one's own original work. 鈥斅燩receding unsigned comment added by TPattberg ( talk 鈥 contribs) 20:50, 12 March 2014 (UTC)
/info/en/?search=Talk:East%E2%80%93West_dichotomy/Archive_1 鈥斅燩receding unsigned comment added by TPattberg ( talk 鈥 contribs) 15:00, 13 March 2014 (UTC)
TPattberg continues his argument elsewhere. Bazj ( talk) 20:11, 18 March 2014 (UTC)
Copied from archive since dab's comment provides useful info - M0rphzone ( talk) 03:22, 28 October 2012 (UTC)
"the problem with the "East-West" terminology is that it isn't fixed but shifting with context. There are in reality four large cultural blocks in Eurasia, Western Europe ( Western Christianity, Latin-inluenced), Eastern Europe and Russia ( Eastern Christianity, Greek-influenced), The Middle East (the Islamic world and Greater Persia, Arabic-influenced), South Asia ( Greater India, Sanskrit-influenced) and the Far East (Chinese-influenced).
The "West" in this dichotomy is always Western Europe, but the "East" may be any one of the other three. So, by heaping up soundbites that just contain "East and West", this article runs a great risk of WP:SYN." -- dab (饞伋) 09:07, 16 May 2009 (UTC)
Chinese President Hu Jintao warns of attempts to " westernise" the country by "hostile powers". (IOL) from Portal:Current events/2012 January 2 99.109.125.108 ( talk) 23:32, 2 January 2012 (UTC)
Balancing the East, Upgrading the West; U.S. Grand Strategy in an Age of Upheaval by Zbigniew Brzezinski January/February 2012 Foreign Affairs 99.19.44.155 ( talk) 16:14, 8 January 2012 (UTC)
There is a relatively new academic theory explaining the difference in mentality between individualistic Western and communialistic Eastern cultures, the so-called "Rice theory", which states that growing rice and growing wheat requires a different mindset in society.
See http://www.npr.org/sections/thesalt/2014/05/08/310477497/rice-theory-why-eastern-cultures-are-more-cooperative, but a Google search for "rice theory" will bring up other sources about it. A TED video by the academist: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-KWM7Shy4BQ -- Rev L. Snowfox ( talk) 21:26, 18 February 2016 (UTC)
While the West had many rulers in a short period of time, there was no unrest with the people.
Really? WithGLEE ( talk) 21:13, 19 November 2021 (UTC)
They are westernized (Iran is least of them in this regard) but they are as eastern as it comes, the one who's been drawing the distinction and included these into "West" (or likely, excluding them from the East) was bad-tripping. The entirety of Russian history, apart from 18-19 centuries westernization, is eastern, no one in their right mind calls Russia "west". Same for Turkiye, the fact that I found this article from clicking on the link in article about Orhan Pamuk, who, as that article suggested, wrote on the topic of this dichotomy, is telling.
And Iran, Iraq, Northern Africa, ... come on, they are entirely oriental and anyone not including them into "East" is completely off.
West is Anglosphere (Five Eyes) plus a chunk of Europe (up to Balkans and Eastern Europe, where things get fuzzy). Even Latin America is hardly western. So don't make it up, west is Anglos + Western/Northern Europe. The rest may arguably be called Westernized, but nothing more than that. 178.121.25.249 ( talk) 16:21, 3 March 2022 (UTC)
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This article originated in language, thought, idea and expressions from The East-West Dichotomy by Dr. Thorsten Pattberg. I am the author of The East-West Dichotomy. The article was created from my book, as seen in the discussion link below. Certain editors initially applauded then decided that since the author wasn't notable as a graduate student at Peking University and Harvard University at that time, they could simple snatch his idea, rewrite the text, change a few references, and pose this article as their own ideas and research. The old discussion can be found here: /info/en/?search=Talk:East%E2%80%93West_dichotomy/Archive_1 Sorry for the inconveniences. I hope that some editors can fix this. This plagiarism note should not be removed.
Plagiarism is the "wrongful appropriation" and "purloining and publication" of another author's "language, thoughts, ideas, or expressions," and the representation of them as one's own original work. 鈥斅燩receding unsigned comment added by TPattberg ( talk 鈥 contribs) 20:50, 12 March 2014 (UTC)
/info/en/?search=Talk:East%E2%80%93West_dichotomy/Archive_1 鈥斅燩receding unsigned comment added by TPattberg ( talk 鈥 contribs) 15:00, 13 March 2014 (UTC)
TPattberg continues his argument elsewhere. Bazj ( talk) 20:11, 18 March 2014 (UTC)
Copied from archive since dab's comment provides useful info - M0rphzone ( talk) 03:22, 28 October 2012 (UTC)
"the problem with the "East-West" terminology is that it isn't fixed but shifting with context. There are in reality four large cultural blocks in Eurasia, Western Europe ( Western Christianity, Latin-inluenced), Eastern Europe and Russia ( Eastern Christianity, Greek-influenced), The Middle East (the Islamic world and Greater Persia, Arabic-influenced), South Asia ( Greater India, Sanskrit-influenced) and the Far East (Chinese-influenced).
The "West" in this dichotomy is always Western Europe, but the "East" may be any one of the other three. So, by heaping up soundbites that just contain "East and West", this article runs a great risk of WP:SYN." -- dab (饞伋) 09:07, 16 May 2009 (UTC)
Chinese President Hu Jintao warns of attempts to " westernise" the country by "hostile powers". (IOL) from Portal:Current events/2012 January 2 99.109.125.108 ( talk) 23:32, 2 January 2012 (UTC)
Balancing the East, Upgrading the West; U.S. Grand Strategy in an Age of Upheaval by Zbigniew Brzezinski January/February 2012 Foreign Affairs 99.19.44.155 ( talk) 16:14, 8 January 2012 (UTC)
There is a relatively new academic theory explaining the difference in mentality between individualistic Western and communialistic Eastern cultures, the so-called "Rice theory", which states that growing rice and growing wheat requires a different mindset in society.
See http://www.npr.org/sections/thesalt/2014/05/08/310477497/rice-theory-why-eastern-cultures-are-more-cooperative, but a Google search for "rice theory" will bring up other sources about it. A TED video by the academist: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-KWM7Shy4BQ -- Rev L. Snowfox ( talk) 21:26, 18 February 2016 (UTC)
While the West had many rulers in a short period of time, there was no unrest with the people.
Really? WithGLEE ( talk) 21:13, 19 November 2021 (UTC)
They are westernized (Iran is least of them in this regard) but they are as eastern as it comes, the one who's been drawing the distinction and included these into "West" (or likely, excluding them from the East) was bad-tripping. The entirety of Russian history, apart from 18-19 centuries westernization, is eastern, no one in their right mind calls Russia "west". Same for Turkiye, the fact that I found this article from clicking on the link in article about Orhan Pamuk, who, as that article suggested, wrote on the topic of this dichotomy, is telling.
And Iran, Iraq, Northern Africa, ... come on, they are entirely oriental and anyone not including them into "East" is completely off.
West is Anglosphere (Five Eyes) plus a chunk of Europe (up to Balkans and Eastern Europe, where things get fuzzy). Even Latin America is hardly western. So don't make it up, west is Anglos + Western/Northern Europe. The rest may arguably be called Westernized, but nothing more than that. 178.121.25.249 ( talk) 16:21, 3 March 2022 (UTC)
The redirect
Non-Western culture has been listed at
redirects for discussion to determine whether its use and function meets the
redirect guidelines. Readers of this page are welcome to comment on this redirect at
Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 March 26 搂聽Non-Western culture until a consensus is reached.
Rusalkii (
talk)
19:30, 26 March 2024 (UTC)