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Currently it makes it seem like there is a consensus that the adoption of Islam improved women's status. According to http://books.google.com/books?id=zOAo9VvT4FEC&pg=PA77&sig=IiMFAyu6P3-rNii4QQmN_q3mXQQ, there is healthy scholarly debate about whether the changes were good for women. This is also now a problem in the Women and Islam article, which I believe was previously more balanced. Calliopejen1 ( talk) 20:06, 19 February 2008 (UTC) Calliopejen1 ( talk) 20:06, 19 February 2008 (UTC)
It's much better to change the title to "Early social changes under Islam". Alefbe ( talk) 01:51, 20 October 2008 (UTC)
This says that the early Islamic imperium was the first welfare state. Was not the Maurya Rajavamsa of Bharata under Asoka a welfare state? 96.255.208.108 ( talk) 16:59, 5 February 2011 (UTC)
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Johnuniq ( talk) 09:51, 9 November 2011 (UTC)
I'm a little confused, I know that it's someone elses assertion but it's entirely false the Qur'an does order women to cover themselves with their jalabeeb ( Jilbab). What proof is there otherwise? Muwwahid ( talk) 14:54, 25 November 2011 (UTC)
I on the other hand.... do not agree... only men who have a basic fear of women would decree such. I dont think Mohammed was anything that male with no fear of women. That think came later from the fears of immature men and their need to control everything within their meagre reach. Dont agree with me... *shrugs* ... I care less, but I would say .. examine your OWN motives. — Preceding
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This article is rubbish. John Esposito is notorious for his favorable opinions of Islam. The man owes his professorial tenure to Islamic endowments. Talk about conflict of interest!-- 74.190.107.228 ( talk) 12:18, 27 November 2016 (UTC)
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I've tried to tidy up this page a bit, given the severe issues it had due to a now-banned user (among other issues). Unfortunately, it is still a mess. I've inserted more sources, and tried to include more female and non-Western sources (the article previously relied almost entirely on two American men and zero women from Muslim backgrounds) but it still needs a lot of work. In particular, the "Moral Changes", "Economic Changes", and "Civil Changes" sections (ending with "Arabia was rid of famine for all the times to come" which is certainly not correct...) need a lot of help. The section on the Arab conquests is also clearly written in a NPOV manner and I'll try to fix that a bit, but my knowledge here is limited. Anyone who knows of any good sources on those issues, please feel free to add as many as you want. Dragoon17 ( talk) 19:44, 4 August 2018 (UTC)
about this: "John Esposito states that "women were given inheritance rights in a patriarchal society that had previously restricted inheritance to male relatives,"[13] Similarly, Annemarie Schimmel wrote that "Compared to the pre-Islamic position of women, Islamic legislation meant an enormous progress; the woman has the right, at least according to the letter of the law, to administer the wealth she has brought into the family or has earned by her own work". Didnt Khadija (RA) own a business before/while married? She inherited from her previous husband when he died? this seems to be conflicting with the article of Khadija (RA). Either this is wrong or that is wrong because it does not make sense to say that women could not previously inherit or hold wealth & property on their own, while also saying that this woman inherited property and wealth on her own. Please fix — Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.70.63.74 ( talk) 22:58, 22 March 2019 (UTC)
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Currently it makes it seem like there is a consensus that the adoption of Islam improved women's status. According to http://books.google.com/books?id=zOAo9VvT4FEC&pg=PA77&sig=IiMFAyu6P3-rNii4QQmN_q3mXQQ, there is healthy scholarly debate about whether the changes were good for women. This is also now a problem in the Women and Islam article, which I believe was previously more balanced. Calliopejen1 ( talk) 20:06, 19 February 2008 (UTC) Calliopejen1 ( talk) 20:06, 19 February 2008 (UTC)
It's much better to change the title to "Early social changes under Islam". Alefbe ( talk) 01:51, 20 October 2008 (UTC)
This says that the early Islamic imperium was the first welfare state. Was not the Maurya Rajavamsa of Bharata under Asoka a welfare state? 96.255.208.108 ( talk) 16:59, 5 February 2011 (UTC)
This article has been edited by a user who is known to have misused sources to unduly promote certain views (see WP:Jagged 85 cleanup). Examination of the sources used by this editor often reveals that the sources have been selectively interpreted or blatantly misrepresented, going beyond any reasonable interpretation of the authors' intent.
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A script has been used to generate the following summary. Each item is a diff showing the result of several consecutive edits to the article by Jagged 85, in chronological order.
Johnuniq ( talk) 09:51, 9 November 2011 (UTC)
I'm a little confused, I know that it's someone elses assertion but it's entirely false the Qur'an does order women to cover themselves with their jalabeeb ( Jilbab). What proof is there otherwise? Muwwahid ( talk) 14:54, 25 November 2011 (UTC)
I on the other hand.... do not agree... only men who have a basic fear of women would decree such. I dont think Mohammed was anything that male with no fear of women. That think came later from the fears of immature men and their need to control everything within their meagre reach. Dont agree with me... *shrugs* ... I care less, but I would say .. examine your OWN motives. — Preceding
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This article is rubbish. John Esposito is notorious for his favorable opinions of Islam. The man owes his professorial tenure to Islamic endowments. Talk about conflict of interest!-- 74.190.107.228 ( talk) 12:18, 27 November 2016 (UTC)
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Hey all,
I've tried to tidy up this page a bit, given the severe issues it had due to a now-banned user (among other issues). Unfortunately, it is still a mess. I've inserted more sources, and tried to include more female and non-Western sources (the article previously relied almost entirely on two American men and zero women from Muslim backgrounds) but it still needs a lot of work. In particular, the "Moral Changes", "Economic Changes", and "Civil Changes" sections (ending with "Arabia was rid of famine for all the times to come" which is certainly not correct...) need a lot of help. The section on the Arab conquests is also clearly written in a NPOV manner and I'll try to fix that a bit, but my knowledge here is limited. Anyone who knows of any good sources on those issues, please feel free to add as many as you want. Dragoon17 ( talk) 19:44, 4 August 2018 (UTC)
about this: "John Esposito states that "women were given inheritance rights in a patriarchal society that had previously restricted inheritance to male relatives,"[13] Similarly, Annemarie Schimmel wrote that "Compared to the pre-Islamic position of women, Islamic legislation meant an enormous progress; the woman has the right, at least according to the letter of the law, to administer the wealth she has brought into the family or has earned by her own work". Didnt Khadija (RA) own a business before/while married? She inherited from her previous husband when he died? this seems to be conflicting with the article of Khadija (RA). Either this is wrong or that is wrong because it does not make sense to say that women could not previously inherit or hold wealth & property on their own, while also saying that this woman inherited property and wealth on her own. Please fix — Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.70.63.74 ( talk) 22:58, 22 March 2019 (UTC)
I check pages listed in Category:Pages with incorrect ref formatting to try to fix reference errors. One of the things I do is look for content for orphaned references in wikilinked articles. I have found content for some of Early social changes under Islam's orphans, the problem is that I found more than one version. I can't determine which (if any) is correct for this article, so I am asking for a sentient editor to look it over and copy the correct ref content into this article.
Reference named "Ahmed":
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