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Idr6ftg7yuhijo did a fairly extensive edit, cleaning up some typos, reorganizing things a little more sensibly, and adding some wiki links. I cut a few non
NPOV passages, and also a reference to the fgdsg
fdgshasdfbcdaexistence of E flat clarinet concertos -- the latter pending verification. What concertos are there? --
Rsholmes
19:07, 5 July 2006 (UTC)
I realised I had scanned a page for another purpose that contained an Eb clarinet solo. There's more extensive usages later, including an interesting Eb clarinet duet above Bb clarinets and a few other instruments. I could provide an image of that if desired.
It's too convoluted to go into in a caption, but The Sapphire Necklace Overture only survives in military band arrangement. It may not be strictly accurate to say "Arthur Sullivan" calls for it, but it's probably an acceptable shorthand for "Arthur Sullivan or the arranger of the only surviving orchestration of The Sapphire Necklace Overture" Adam Cuerden talk 05:06, 16 September 2006 (UTC)
Regarding the section on solo material, I believe that some mistake has been made with the Rabaud piece: no such work exists for e flat clarinet, It's written for b flat. F. Conway —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.42.130.35 ( talk) 00:58, 5 April 2011 (UTC)
Do all of these pieces contain examples of significant E-flat or D clarinet solos? Or are some of them, literally, "orchestral music using the E-flat clarinet"? If the latter, why are we listing these? There must be hundreds or thousands of pieces that use the E-flat clarinet, and I don't see a list of these as being useful. I propose renaming this section "Notable solo literature for the E♭ (or D) clarinet" or something along those lines (suggestions welcome) and limiting it to concerti and solo pieces originally written for the instrument, and orchestral pieces with notable solos (e.g. Til Eulenspiegel). I am not, however, familiar enough with all the pieces listed to know for sure which ones do and do not fall into this category, so some input would be welcome. -- Rsholmes 15:23, 29 October 2006 (UTC)
E.g. ... Range, whether the transposition is up a third or down a sixth, how it differs from the alto clarinet in E♭ ...
Other works specifically for E♭ clarinet- Tre Pezzi (1954) by Giacinto Scelsi [1], Suite of Four Dances (with piano) by William Bolcom . [2]. (Hrm. Molter six clarinet concertos- 1740s. Johann Stamitz's prob. later, yes.) Schissel | Sound the Note! 16:56, 1 April 2007 (UTC)
Some of the statements made about the D clarinet seem slightly at odds with what I've read elsewhere. For example, Basil Tschaikov, "The high clarinets", in The Cambridge Companion to the Clarinet:
F. Geoffrey Rendall, The Clarinet (Third edition):
to which the third edition's editor, Philip Bate, adds
Compare that with this article:
It seems silly to compare its frequency of use with the B♭ and A clarinets; their use is quite different, and the E♭ is much less commonly used than them as well. I would suggest omitting these two clarinets entirely from the comparison. As for the frequency of its use relative to the E♭ and C, is there any solid basis for this statement or is it just someone's personal impression? And if the latter, does it take into account the implied greater degree of use outside of England, France, and America? In particular, given that they are again used for different purposes, I wonder how solid a basis there is for the claim that D clarinets are less common (worldwide!) than C clarinets. It may well be true, but is it verifiable? -- Rsholmes 00:04, 14 June 2007 (UTC)
Several recent edits added a reference written by someone with the same name as the Wikipedian who added it. I'm sure it's good-faith editing, probably a valid source for reference, and the person is apparently highly qualified and knowledgeable. So I don't know that WP:COI needs to be invoked. - Special-T ( talk) 16:45, 29 December 2020 (UTC)
Thing is, they are called quartino in Italian, the terzino is the old name for the old clarinet in F not used since the mid-19th century, and the sestino is the A♭ piccolo. Jon ( talk) 01:09, 29 June 2024 (UTC)
I just reverted an edit that changed the info in a cited sentence. As to the actual content of the edit, it's more likely that the highest recommended (written) note for this higher-pitched instrument would be lower than that for a Bb or A clarinet. Many fingering charts for Bb clarinet show it to C7 (although it could be argued that G6 is a reasonably practical upper limit here also). Adler recommends G6 as the highest practical pitch to use on the Eb BTW. - Special-T ( talk) 17:32, 26 July 2024 (UTC)
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Idr6ftg7yuhijo did a fairly extensive edit, cleaning up some typos, reorganizing things a little more sensibly, and adding some wiki links. I cut a few non
NPOV passages, and also a reference to the fgdsg
fdgshasdfbcdaexistence of E flat clarinet concertos -- the latter pending verification. What concertos are there? --
Rsholmes
19:07, 5 July 2006 (UTC)
I realised I had scanned a page for another purpose that contained an Eb clarinet solo. There's more extensive usages later, including an interesting Eb clarinet duet above Bb clarinets and a few other instruments. I could provide an image of that if desired.
It's too convoluted to go into in a caption, but The Sapphire Necklace Overture only survives in military band arrangement. It may not be strictly accurate to say "Arthur Sullivan" calls for it, but it's probably an acceptable shorthand for "Arthur Sullivan or the arranger of the only surviving orchestration of The Sapphire Necklace Overture" Adam Cuerden talk 05:06, 16 September 2006 (UTC)
Regarding the section on solo material, I believe that some mistake has been made with the Rabaud piece: no such work exists for e flat clarinet, It's written for b flat. F. Conway —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.42.130.35 ( talk) 00:58, 5 April 2011 (UTC)
Do all of these pieces contain examples of significant E-flat or D clarinet solos? Or are some of them, literally, "orchestral music using the E-flat clarinet"? If the latter, why are we listing these? There must be hundreds or thousands of pieces that use the E-flat clarinet, and I don't see a list of these as being useful. I propose renaming this section "Notable solo literature for the E♭ (or D) clarinet" or something along those lines (suggestions welcome) and limiting it to concerti and solo pieces originally written for the instrument, and orchestral pieces with notable solos (e.g. Til Eulenspiegel). I am not, however, familiar enough with all the pieces listed to know for sure which ones do and do not fall into this category, so some input would be welcome. -- Rsholmes 15:23, 29 October 2006 (UTC)
E.g. ... Range, whether the transposition is up a third or down a sixth, how it differs from the alto clarinet in E♭ ...
Other works specifically for E♭ clarinet- Tre Pezzi (1954) by Giacinto Scelsi [1], Suite of Four Dances (with piano) by William Bolcom . [2]. (Hrm. Molter six clarinet concertos- 1740s. Johann Stamitz's prob. later, yes.) Schissel | Sound the Note! 16:56, 1 April 2007 (UTC)
Some of the statements made about the D clarinet seem slightly at odds with what I've read elsewhere. For example, Basil Tschaikov, "The high clarinets", in The Cambridge Companion to the Clarinet:
F. Geoffrey Rendall, The Clarinet (Third edition):
to which the third edition's editor, Philip Bate, adds
Compare that with this article:
It seems silly to compare its frequency of use with the B♭ and A clarinets; their use is quite different, and the E♭ is much less commonly used than them as well. I would suggest omitting these two clarinets entirely from the comparison. As for the frequency of its use relative to the E♭ and C, is there any solid basis for this statement or is it just someone's personal impression? And if the latter, does it take into account the implied greater degree of use outside of England, France, and America? In particular, given that they are again used for different purposes, I wonder how solid a basis there is for the claim that D clarinets are less common (worldwide!) than C clarinets. It may well be true, but is it verifiable? -- Rsholmes 00:04, 14 June 2007 (UTC)
Several recent edits added a reference written by someone with the same name as the Wikipedian who added it. I'm sure it's good-faith editing, probably a valid source for reference, and the person is apparently highly qualified and knowledgeable. So I don't know that WP:COI needs to be invoked. - Special-T ( talk) 16:45, 29 December 2020 (UTC)
Thing is, they are called quartino in Italian, the terzino is the old name for the old clarinet in F not used since the mid-19th century, and the sestino is the A♭ piccolo. Jon ( talk) 01:09, 29 June 2024 (UTC)
I just reverted an edit that changed the info in a cited sentence. As to the actual content of the edit, it's more likely that the highest recommended (written) note for this higher-pitched instrument would be lower than that for a Bb or A clarinet. Many fingering charts for Bb clarinet show it to C7 (although it could be argued that G6 is a reasonably practical upper limit here also). Adler recommends G6 as the highest practical pitch to use on the Eb BTW. - Special-T ( talk) 17:32, 26 July 2024 (UTC)