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Part of this article reads too much like a travel brochure 71.167.122.146 ( talk) 19:58, 7 March 2008 (UTC)
Dushanbe is divided into 4 districts (raion). Can anyone assist me with the names? Rarelibra ( talk) 16:33, 15 October 2008 (UTC)
"Dushanbe, which means "Monday" in Tajik" I don't know why it says Tajik instead of Farsi/Persian. With this subcategorizing the Farsi/Persian language to Tajik/Irani/Luri/…. We are just making this language weaker. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.24.172.50 ( talk) 06:43, 15 January 2010 (UTC)
As crazy as it sounds, based on the Koppen system Dushanbe indeed has a Mediterranean climate. In fact, the climate is solidly Mediterranean. Dushanbe has no month where average monthly temperatures falls below -3 C, so it’s not a D (Continental) climate. The city's coldest monthly average is about 4.5 C which is about 7.5 C higher than a D climate threshold. It's clearly not bordering the continental climate threshold. The city features wet winters and dry summers, with the driest summer month seeing about only 5/1000 the precipitation of the wettest winter month. This eliminates it from the humid subtropical climate category. Dushanbe’s warmest month average is well above 22 C, so it’s not any form of an oceanic climate. When you run the calculations for aridity (see semi-arid climate page for guidance on this) for Dushanbe, you’ll find that the climate is not quite semi-arid. Despite its decidedly unconventional location for a Mediterranean climate, Dushanbe has this climate. G. Capo ( talk) 04:03, 5 February 2013 (UTC)
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Hello, I'm happy to take a look at this. It's clearly had a lot of work put into it, and is in a nice shape at first glance. The obvious glaring issue is the structure. It has an absolutely overwhelming table of contents, caused by a proliferation of tiny sections and paragraphs. The early History section is particularly egregious, but there's issues throughout. Some tables have their own subheaders! Compare to
Kigali, which just became an FA. This article also trends a bit on the long side at 62kB of prose, but only a bit. I also note the references include a Facebook page, unreliable, and a Xinhua page, which has been deprecated on Wikipedia so should probably be replaced.
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Part of this seems copied from the Factbook. I reworded the first part, leaving the second part for now but if you can think of a way to reword it please do.
Leaving the rest of history for now, but overall I did not feel this prose was structured as well as it could be.
The demographics section feels very very small. Outside of religion, it's two sentences. There's surely much more that could be said here in text, about the population structure, ethnicity, and so on. The tables and images provide additional detail, but shouldn't be relied on to convey the basic information. The historical population table is well-sourced compared to most historical population tables I see on Wikipedia, but there's still some parts missing.
Overall this section could have a better structure, with more general information in earlier paragraphs.
It's often tricky to write Culture sections, but it is useful to have an introduction that gives an overall background/picture of culture, rather than jumping straight into subsections. As it is, the Culture section reads as a series of unrelated subsections, with no connecting thread.
Overall though I'm impressed by this section, it seem an unusually well sourced media section.
This section lacks sources, and is probably arbitrary? Generally I think these sections get removed, as they are more approrpiate for categories unless a reliable source is found to support a list.
Overall however this is quite a good lead.
The above is not comprehensive, and I feel the issues I have found will take quite a bit to fix. I will be closing this GAN as unsuccessful due to this, although I am happy to offer further comments later if desired. As I noted at the beginning the article is slightly on the long side, so in general the need is less a question of adding information as it is consolidating and refining what already exists. Going a bit beyond GAN requirements, the image organisation seems a bit random, and in places they are overwhelming. The first source in the reference section is a bare url, which I thought was a bad omen, but the rest are formatted. This is an admirably ambitious article to get to GA, and I hope my comments can help improve it. Best, CMD ( talk) 17:37, 8 March 2021 (UTC)
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Comments in red are unaddressed points from the previous review.
"He fled to Afghanistan after the Red Army conquered the area the next year, 4 March 1921."From the only online source referenced here, it seems that he fled on 4 March 1921 (this should be made clearer in the sentence), but it is unclear whether this was before or after the Red Army conquered Dushanbe.
"Dushanbe also had the only Jewish population in the Tajik SSR (of about 600) whom were involved in trade and tailoring."The section this statement is in is on the Tajik ASSR. Does the source specify SSR or ASSR?
"On 12 August 1924, the first newspaper of the town, Voice of the East, was published in Arabic and soon after a Russian-language paper, Red Tajikistan, began publication."Do we know the native-language names of these newspapers (i.e. the names in the language under which they were published?)
"In 1924, the first regular plane route began from Dushanbe to Bukhara and another from Dushanbe to Tashkent, and the post office was set up."Should be specified that "the first regular plane routes from Dushanbe", not simply "first regular plane route" (the first regular plane route began before 1924 I assume). Also, the Russian-language source attributed with this statement does not seem to mention any plane routes (I used Google Translate)?
"the population of Dushanbe and Tajikistan swelled with 100,000 evacuees from the front"Which front? I assume the Eastern Front (could also be linked)?
"In the 1960s, under the leadership of Mahmudbek Narzibekov, the first zoo was built in the city along with a plan to end the housing shortage and provide free apartments."It says on the page for the Dushanbe Zoo that it was founded in 1960. This could be specified (and the zoo linked) in the article.
"On 24 November 1991, Rahmon Nabiev was elected President of Tajikistan, defeating Davlatnazar Khudonazarov."and
"Nabiev was soon forced to resign before the government abolished the office of president and chose Emomoli Rahmon as head of state; in 1994, the office of president was re-established with Rahmon chosen to be president once again."since these have nothing to do with Dushanbe specifically, and thus, there is no need to establish which of these administrations were Russian-backed or not.
"Iran, the United States, and Russia soon opened embassies in Dushanbe."Do we know exactly when (at least the year or month?)
"...the winters are chilly but not very cold"Sounds like something more from a weatherman than from an encyclopedia? "Not very cold" is quite subjective depending on where you are from. Recommend just eliminating the entire sentence this is a part of, since climate classification already gives a precise and more objective description of the temperature/humidity.
"Winters are not as cold as further north..."Are we comparing this to other Tajik cities? This needs to be specified.
"January 2008 was particularly cold, and the temperature dropped to −22 °C (−8 °F)."Is this a record low? If not, then this detail seems unnecessary.
"...with 3.11 million copies"Copies of what? Books, I assume?
"53,118 thousand people migrated to the city"I know the original source Google translates to this, but if this were true, then Dushanbe would be the largest city in the world. Can you check to see if all they really meant was 53,118 (I can't read Russian).
"In spring 2010, after the celebration of the Iranian New Year, Emomali Rahmon announced Dushanbe as the capital of Islamic culture."
"In October 2009, Rahmon launched the construction of a new central mosque in Dushanbe, which will replace the existing Haji Yakub Mosque, should become the largest in Central Asia, and will be built at the expense of Qatari investors."is not exactly parallel structure and was confusing on the first read-throughs. Rewording is suggested.
"(ROC Central Asian diocese of the Moscow diocese)"This detail can not be found in the cited source. It also does not make sense for the Central Asian diocese to be under or a part of the Moscow diocese? (unless the dioceses are hierarchical?)
"The spiritual center of the Orthodox Church in Dushanbe and the country is St. Nicholas Cathedral, whose permanent flock is up to a thousand parishioners."None of this (besides the fact that St. Nicholas is an Orthodox cathedral in Dushanbe) appears to be supported by the source.
Notice: from here on out, I'll be mainly checking to see if the previous reviewer's concerns have been met; these comments are not comprehensive
"...and then onto China or Kyrgyzstan."How can a road go onto "China or Kyrgyzstan"? Did the road builders forget which country they built it towards?
"...while not going through Uzbekistan."Why? This makes even less sense given that later railways pass through or connect to Uzbekistan.
"For the 9-month period in 2019, 225 were buried here."Were an additional 225 buried in the cemetery, or were a total of 225 buried in the cemetery during that period?
I'm going to call a premature end to this review. Not all points from the last review were addressed (see red comments), including insufficient Demographic coverage and lack of clarity in History. In general, there were also stylistic issues (mainly lack of commas, and semicolons as separators) and organization problems. I do appreciate however, the overall improved structure as well as your prompt responses. I'm afraid however, that only 4 sections in, and the issues regarding this article are already beyond minor prose fixes. I am failing this nomination, but please feel free to ping me when you decide to renominate as I'll be happy to look over again. GeneralPoxter ( talk • contribs) 21:31, 28 July 2021 (UTC)
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Idk..but morever this question is whaat 103.177.253.41 ( talk) 20:11, 25 September 2022 (UTC)
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Part of this article reads too much like a travel brochure 71.167.122.146 ( talk) 19:58, 7 March 2008 (UTC)
Dushanbe is divided into 4 districts (raion). Can anyone assist me with the names? Rarelibra ( talk) 16:33, 15 October 2008 (UTC)
"Dushanbe, which means "Monday" in Tajik" I don't know why it says Tajik instead of Farsi/Persian. With this subcategorizing the Farsi/Persian language to Tajik/Irani/Luri/…. We are just making this language weaker. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.24.172.50 ( talk) 06:43, 15 January 2010 (UTC)
As crazy as it sounds, based on the Koppen system Dushanbe indeed has a Mediterranean climate. In fact, the climate is solidly Mediterranean. Dushanbe has no month where average monthly temperatures falls below -3 C, so it’s not a D (Continental) climate. The city's coldest monthly average is about 4.5 C which is about 7.5 C higher than a D climate threshold. It's clearly not bordering the continental climate threshold. The city features wet winters and dry summers, with the driest summer month seeing about only 5/1000 the precipitation of the wettest winter month. This eliminates it from the humid subtropical climate category. Dushanbe’s warmest month average is well above 22 C, so it’s not any form of an oceanic climate. When you run the calculations for aridity (see semi-arid climate page for guidance on this) for Dushanbe, you’ll find that the climate is not quite semi-arid. Despite its decidedly unconventional location for a Mediterranean climate, Dushanbe has this climate. G. Capo ( talk) 04:03, 5 February 2013 (UTC)
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Hello, I'm happy to take a look at this. It's clearly had a lot of work put into it, and is in a nice shape at first glance. The obvious glaring issue is the structure. It has an absolutely overwhelming table of contents, caused by a proliferation of tiny sections and paragraphs. The early History section is particularly egregious, but there's issues throughout. Some tables have their own subheaders! Compare to
Kigali, which just became an FA. This article also trends a bit on the long side at 62kB of prose, but only a bit. I also note the references include a Facebook page, unreliable, and a Xinhua page, which has been deprecated on Wikipedia so should probably be replaced.
CMD (
talk) 14:06, 5 March 2021 (UTC)
Part of this seems copied from the Factbook. I reworded the first part, leaving the second part for now but if you can think of a way to reword it please do.
Leaving the rest of history for now, but overall I did not feel this prose was structured as well as it could be.
The demographics section feels very very small. Outside of religion, it's two sentences. There's surely much more that could be said here in text, about the population structure, ethnicity, and so on. The tables and images provide additional detail, but shouldn't be relied on to convey the basic information. The historical population table is well-sourced compared to most historical population tables I see on Wikipedia, but there's still some parts missing.
Overall this section could have a better structure, with more general information in earlier paragraphs.
It's often tricky to write Culture sections, but it is useful to have an introduction that gives an overall background/picture of culture, rather than jumping straight into subsections. As it is, the Culture section reads as a series of unrelated subsections, with no connecting thread.
Overall though I'm impressed by this section, it seem an unusually well sourced media section.
This section lacks sources, and is probably arbitrary? Generally I think these sections get removed, as they are more approrpiate for categories unless a reliable source is found to support a list.
Overall however this is quite a good lead.
The above is not comprehensive, and I feel the issues I have found will take quite a bit to fix. I will be closing this GAN as unsuccessful due to this, although I am happy to offer further comments later if desired. As I noted at the beginning the article is slightly on the long side, so in general the need is less a question of adding information as it is consolidating and refining what already exists. Going a bit beyond GAN requirements, the image organisation seems a bit random, and in places they are overwhelming. The first source in the reference section is a bare url, which I thought was a bad omen, but the rest are formatted. This is an admirably ambitious article to get to GA, and I hope my comments can help improve it. Best, CMD ( talk) 17:37, 8 March 2021 (UTC)
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Comments in red are unaddressed points from the previous review.
"He fled to Afghanistan after the Red Army conquered the area the next year, 4 March 1921."From the only online source referenced here, it seems that he fled on 4 March 1921 (this should be made clearer in the sentence), but it is unclear whether this was before or after the Red Army conquered Dushanbe.
"Dushanbe also had the only Jewish population in the Tajik SSR (of about 600) whom were involved in trade and tailoring."The section this statement is in is on the Tajik ASSR. Does the source specify SSR or ASSR?
"On 12 August 1924, the first newspaper of the town, Voice of the East, was published in Arabic and soon after a Russian-language paper, Red Tajikistan, began publication."Do we know the native-language names of these newspapers (i.e. the names in the language under which they were published?)
"In 1924, the first regular plane route began from Dushanbe to Bukhara and another from Dushanbe to Tashkent, and the post office was set up."Should be specified that "the first regular plane routes from Dushanbe", not simply "first regular plane route" (the first regular plane route began before 1924 I assume). Also, the Russian-language source attributed with this statement does not seem to mention any plane routes (I used Google Translate)?
"the population of Dushanbe and Tajikistan swelled with 100,000 evacuees from the front"Which front? I assume the Eastern Front (could also be linked)?
"In the 1960s, under the leadership of Mahmudbek Narzibekov, the first zoo was built in the city along with a plan to end the housing shortage and provide free apartments."It says on the page for the Dushanbe Zoo that it was founded in 1960. This could be specified (and the zoo linked) in the article.
"On 24 November 1991, Rahmon Nabiev was elected President of Tajikistan, defeating Davlatnazar Khudonazarov."and
"Nabiev was soon forced to resign before the government abolished the office of president and chose Emomoli Rahmon as head of state; in 1994, the office of president was re-established with Rahmon chosen to be president once again."since these have nothing to do with Dushanbe specifically, and thus, there is no need to establish which of these administrations were Russian-backed or not.
"Iran, the United States, and Russia soon opened embassies in Dushanbe."Do we know exactly when (at least the year or month?)
"...the winters are chilly but not very cold"Sounds like something more from a weatherman than from an encyclopedia? "Not very cold" is quite subjective depending on where you are from. Recommend just eliminating the entire sentence this is a part of, since climate classification already gives a precise and more objective description of the temperature/humidity.
"Winters are not as cold as further north..."Are we comparing this to other Tajik cities? This needs to be specified.
"January 2008 was particularly cold, and the temperature dropped to −22 °C (−8 °F)."Is this a record low? If not, then this detail seems unnecessary.
"...with 3.11 million copies"Copies of what? Books, I assume?
"53,118 thousand people migrated to the city"I know the original source Google translates to this, but if this were true, then Dushanbe would be the largest city in the world. Can you check to see if all they really meant was 53,118 (I can't read Russian).
"In spring 2010, after the celebration of the Iranian New Year, Emomali Rahmon announced Dushanbe as the capital of Islamic culture."
"In October 2009, Rahmon launched the construction of a new central mosque in Dushanbe, which will replace the existing Haji Yakub Mosque, should become the largest in Central Asia, and will be built at the expense of Qatari investors."is not exactly parallel structure and was confusing on the first read-throughs. Rewording is suggested.
"(ROC Central Asian diocese of the Moscow diocese)"This detail can not be found in the cited source. It also does not make sense for the Central Asian diocese to be under or a part of the Moscow diocese? (unless the dioceses are hierarchical?)
"The spiritual center of the Orthodox Church in Dushanbe and the country is St. Nicholas Cathedral, whose permanent flock is up to a thousand parishioners."None of this (besides the fact that St. Nicholas is an Orthodox cathedral in Dushanbe) appears to be supported by the source.
Notice: from here on out, I'll be mainly checking to see if the previous reviewer's concerns have been met; these comments are not comprehensive
"...and then onto China or Kyrgyzstan."How can a road go onto "China or Kyrgyzstan"? Did the road builders forget which country they built it towards?
"...while not going through Uzbekistan."Why? This makes even less sense given that later railways pass through or connect to Uzbekistan.
"For the 9-month period in 2019, 225 were buried here."Were an additional 225 buried in the cemetery, or were a total of 225 buried in the cemetery during that period?
I'm going to call a premature end to this review. Not all points from the last review were addressed (see red comments), including insufficient Demographic coverage and lack of clarity in History. In general, there were also stylistic issues (mainly lack of commas, and semicolons as separators) and organization problems. I do appreciate however, the overall improved structure as well as your prompt responses. I'm afraid however, that only 4 sections in, and the issues regarding this article are already beyond minor prose fixes. I am failing this nomination, but please feel free to ping me when you decide to renominate as I'll be happy to look over again. GeneralPoxter ( talk • contribs) 21:31, 28 July 2021 (UTC)
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Idk..but morever this question is whaat 103.177.253.41 ( talk) 20:11, 25 September 2022 (UTC)
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