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A fact from Durio graveolens appeared on Wikipedia's
Main Page in the Did you know column on 28 October 2019 (
check views). The text of the entry was as follows:
Did you know... that despite a name meaning "strong-smelling
durian", Durio graveolens has been described as odorless?
I don't have a dictionary of Iban or Batak, if that's what you mean. The sources commonly don't state etymology for vernacular names. --
Nessie (
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15:13, 11 September 2019 (UTC)reply
Note for future: the lead is completely separate from the body. When mentioning a person for the first time in the body of the article, you have to use their full name and wikilink them (so even though you first mention Beccari in the lead, you have to use his full name in the body on his first mention) User:Dunkleosteus77 |
push to talk03:32, 11 September 2019 (UTC)reply
Do you have to use "coriaceous" or could you just use "leathery"? The same goes for glabrous when you could say smooth (also glabrous redirects to
hair so it made me think glabrous meant hairy) or vernicose when you could say shiny User:Dunkleosteus77 |
push to talk03:32, 11 September 2019 (UTC)reply
The jargon has specific meaning. Only mammals have hair, so saying a plant is not hairy is not very scientific. The link was piped to
Glabrousness#In botany, but the article moved and no one checked "what links here". I updated the link in the article to
Glossary of botanical terms#glabrous. Coriaceous means leathery in texture, and not in say smell or any other way something can be leathery. I added a parenthetical there. The physical description is in the weeds of the article, and to differentiate a species from related ones you have to get technical. I think the audience for that section is going to be different than for the rest of the article. --
Nessie (
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15:13, 11 September 2019 (UTC)reply
It might be better to use laymen words then put the technical term in parentheses, like "The leaf stipules drop early (caducous)". Also there's really no reason to use the word caducous here since it's more like a vocab word than a technical term User:Dunkleosteus77 |
push to talk03:32, 11 September 2019 (UTC)reply
Right, plants do not have caducous tails that are reabsorbed in development, they have caducous leaves that fall early. I don't think the term applies in plants to parts being reabsorbed. --
Nessie (
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17:27, 18 September 2019 (UTC)reply
That's a little accusatory. The terms used are all from the sources, and not added by me. In this case, it's what Odoardo Beccari wrote. I assume that if a term is used in the original formal species description it was not added just to show off impressive vocabulary. --
Nessie (
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18:28, 11 September 2019 (UTC)reply
Sometimes it is, actually. We aim to summarize, and that means we do not have to recite verbatim. If you can use a simpler word, use a simpler word. If you feel it's very necessary (which is oftentimes the case, as with petiole and colporate) you give the technical term, but as far as I'm aware, "tumescent" is not a technical word, it's an
SAT word. The same goes for globose User:Dunkleosteus77 |
push to talk22:11, 11 September 2019 (UTC)reply
Because globose is only nearly spherical, similar to how our globe is an oblate spheroid. It shares etymology with 'globular'. Both ovoid and globose are kind of spherical, but different degrees. In any event, I retargeted the links and added a parenthetical.--
Nessie (
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15:13, 11 September 2019 (UTC)reply
I don't understand. Do you want it to say something like "The pollen grains, which are individual grains of pollen, are monad, and do not cluster"? I'm not sure what is confusing here. --
Nessie (
talk)
02:49, 19 September 2019 (UTC)reply
You really should put the technical term in parentheses rather than the explanation of the technical term. Normally I wouldn’t see it as a problem but my brain is getting thrown around by all the parentheses, but that's just me and you don't have to do it. I will say though if you wikilink a botanical term you should still give a brief explanation of what it is in parentheses (like with glabrous and cymes) User:Dunkleosteus77 |
push to talk16:15, 11 September 2019 (UTC)reply
I don't think I could succinctly define a cyme without a picture, and I think adding a diagram would confuse the article. I added an explanation for glabrous. --
Nessie (
talk)
15:51, 17 September 2019 (UTC)reply
The clade Palatadurio has not been given a rank, according to the information in the source. It may end up being a subgenus, section, or series. --
Nessie (
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15:51, 17 September 2019 (UTC)reply
"It has three colporate (combined pore and colpus/furrow) apertures and is monad (has solitary grains)" I think you need to give more explanation as to what these terms mean. It's okay to give a sentence or two explaining botanical terms User:Dunkleosteus77 |
push to talk22:11, 11 September 2019 (UTC)reply
I'm not sure if it is bright, in the copyrighted images I have seen it does not seem very radiant in tone. Plus, wouldn't that be uncited opinion? --
Nessie (
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15:51, 17 September 2019 (UTC)reply
"ริะกกะ" is not a possible morphological combination of Thai script. This is a misspelling which appears nowhere outside of Wikipedia, and I have pretty much no idea what it's supposed to be in Thai.
Awkwafaba, could you please check this? --
Paul_012 (
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19:58, 3 May 2020 (UTC)reply
@
Paul 012: thank you for diving into this. Common names are usually problematic to some ° or another. I don’t speak Thai so I didn’t notice the typo. I think the article should say roughly what you said. The species has those names in Thai, but some refer to other species as well. Those sources all seem reliable, and readers searching for a common name may be thinking of either species, or not know that the term is ambiguous. I find it’s best to show the contradictions to the readers, as some editors consider deciding one over the other as original research. --
awkwafaba (
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16:25, 13 May 2020 (UTC)reply
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A fact from Durio graveolens appeared on Wikipedia's
Main Page in the Did you know column on 28 October 2019 (
check views). The text of the entry was as follows:
Did you know... that despite a name meaning "strong-smelling
durian", Durio graveolens has been described as odorless?
I don't have a dictionary of Iban or Batak, if that's what you mean. The sources commonly don't state etymology for vernacular names. --
Nessie (
talk)
15:13, 11 September 2019 (UTC)reply
Note for future: the lead is completely separate from the body. When mentioning a person for the first time in the body of the article, you have to use their full name and wikilink them (so even though you first mention Beccari in the lead, you have to use his full name in the body on his first mention) User:Dunkleosteus77 |
push to talk03:32, 11 September 2019 (UTC)reply
Do you have to use "coriaceous" or could you just use "leathery"? The same goes for glabrous when you could say smooth (also glabrous redirects to
hair so it made me think glabrous meant hairy) or vernicose when you could say shiny User:Dunkleosteus77 |
push to talk03:32, 11 September 2019 (UTC)reply
The jargon has specific meaning. Only mammals have hair, so saying a plant is not hairy is not very scientific. The link was piped to
Glabrousness#In botany, but the article moved and no one checked "what links here". I updated the link in the article to
Glossary of botanical terms#glabrous. Coriaceous means leathery in texture, and not in say smell or any other way something can be leathery. I added a parenthetical there. The physical description is in the weeds of the article, and to differentiate a species from related ones you have to get technical. I think the audience for that section is going to be different than for the rest of the article. --
Nessie (
talk)
15:13, 11 September 2019 (UTC)reply
It might be better to use laymen words then put the technical term in parentheses, like "The leaf stipules drop early (caducous)". Also there's really no reason to use the word caducous here since it's more like a vocab word than a technical term User:Dunkleosteus77 |
push to talk03:32, 11 September 2019 (UTC)reply
Right, plants do not have caducous tails that are reabsorbed in development, they have caducous leaves that fall early. I don't think the term applies in plants to parts being reabsorbed. --
Nessie (
talk)
17:27, 18 September 2019 (UTC)reply
That's a little accusatory. The terms used are all from the sources, and not added by me. In this case, it's what Odoardo Beccari wrote. I assume that if a term is used in the original formal species description it was not added just to show off impressive vocabulary. --
Nessie (
talk)
18:28, 11 September 2019 (UTC)reply
Sometimes it is, actually. We aim to summarize, and that means we do not have to recite verbatim. If you can use a simpler word, use a simpler word. If you feel it's very necessary (which is oftentimes the case, as with petiole and colporate) you give the technical term, but as far as I'm aware, "tumescent" is not a technical word, it's an
SAT word. The same goes for globose User:Dunkleosteus77 |
push to talk22:11, 11 September 2019 (UTC)reply
Because globose is only nearly spherical, similar to how our globe is an oblate spheroid. It shares etymology with 'globular'. Both ovoid and globose are kind of spherical, but different degrees. In any event, I retargeted the links and added a parenthetical.--
Nessie (
talk)
15:13, 11 September 2019 (UTC)reply
I don't understand. Do you want it to say something like "The pollen grains, which are individual grains of pollen, are monad, and do not cluster"? I'm not sure what is confusing here. --
Nessie (
talk)
02:49, 19 September 2019 (UTC)reply
You really should put the technical term in parentheses rather than the explanation of the technical term. Normally I wouldn’t see it as a problem but my brain is getting thrown around by all the parentheses, but that's just me and you don't have to do it. I will say though if you wikilink a botanical term you should still give a brief explanation of what it is in parentheses (like with glabrous and cymes) User:Dunkleosteus77 |
push to talk16:15, 11 September 2019 (UTC)reply
I don't think I could succinctly define a cyme without a picture, and I think adding a diagram would confuse the article. I added an explanation for glabrous. --
Nessie (
talk)
15:51, 17 September 2019 (UTC)reply
The clade Palatadurio has not been given a rank, according to the information in the source. It may end up being a subgenus, section, or series. --
Nessie (
talk)
15:51, 17 September 2019 (UTC)reply
"It has three colporate (combined pore and colpus/furrow) apertures and is monad (has solitary grains)" I think you need to give more explanation as to what these terms mean. It's okay to give a sentence or two explaining botanical terms User:Dunkleosteus77 |
push to talk22:11, 11 September 2019 (UTC)reply
I'm not sure if it is bright, in the copyrighted images I have seen it does not seem very radiant in tone. Plus, wouldn't that be uncited opinion? --
Nessie (
talk)
15:51, 17 September 2019 (UTC)reply
"ริะกกะ" is not a possible morphological combination of Thai script. This is a misspelling which appears nowhere outside of Wikipedia, and I have pretty much no idea what it's supposed to be in Thai.
Awkwafaba, could you please check this? --
Paul_012 (
talk)
19:58, 3 May 2020 (UTC)reply
@
Paul 012: thank you for diving into this. Common names are usually problematic to some ° or another. I don’t speak Thai so I didn’t notice the typo. I think the article should say roughly what you said. The species has those names in Thai, but some refer to other species as well. Those sources all seem reliable, and readers searching for a common name may be thinking of either species, or not know that the term is ambiguous. I find it’s best to show the contradictions to the readers, as some editors consider deciding one over the other as original research. --
awkwafaba (
📥)
16:25, 13 May 2020 (UTC)reply