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Due to the meagre content of this page, it might be worth considering to merge it with and redirect it to Zongzi#Origins... Malbi—Preceding undated comment added 11:00, 31 May 2006
Is the month this usually occurs in June? If so, that should be added to the article. Badagnani 00:19, 29 January 2007 (UTC)
端午 is actually duānwŭ in pinyin, not duan1wu1 as is currently written, but I don't know how to write it with tone markings instead of numbers, so someone else will have to do it!
Done Apeman 17:33,13 June 2011 (UTC)
making the egg standing vertically on a flat surface is the tradition game in this festival. 69.120.146.217 02:34, 20 June 2007 (UTC)StephenChao
The name Dragon Boat Festival is well-known in English. Is there any particular reason for shifting it to the Mandarin name? Given that Chinese dialects have different names for this festival, the 'official' Mandarin name doesn't appear to have much over the other names. (I am open to reason on this one -- I realise that Beijing doesn't have dragon boat racing at the time of the festival, but on the other hand, Beijing and the north hardly even follow this festival, except for the zongzi).
Also, User:Yau, when making such important changes, it might be useful to ask first on the discussion page. And changing the name of an article isn't a minor change, which is what you have tagged it. User:Bathrobe
Your opinion has been reasoned to the key point: causing the geographic differentiation, Northern parts of China have dry climates. As a result, it was hard to hold Dragon Boat competitions as the southern parts. Therefore, the 'official' Mandarin name 'Duanwu' has very few relationship with Dragon Boat. This point is carrying some evidences. That's right.
However, from my participant-observations (I am a North face), this festival has already become a national festival that every family almost all takes it. In north faces' minds and also the peoples from Great China area, this festival is somewhat has the relationship with tranditional ‘时令’ - Chinese calendar (Resource: /info/en/?search=Chinese_calendar) and ‘气节’ -Solar term (Resource: /info/en/?search=Solar_term),and of the essential importance for the remembrance of Sir Quyuan - this great national historical poet (Resource: /info/en/?search=Qu_Yuan) and his historical conributions.
Therefore, its educational meanings and historical contributions of Patriotism to 炎黄子孙(Resource: /info/en/?search=Yan_Huang_Zisun) wherever around the worlds are much over merely holding a dragon boat racing. Ordinal Peoples living in Great China Area no matter the dry parts or wet parts (especially the dry parts) usually take the historical remembrance of Sir Quyuan and the nourishing maintenance of their family bond on the higher. Another reason is that it can also be seen as the happy harvest for May, from Spring to summer. Nowadays, depending on the natural differentiations of geography, North faces (especially the farmers) are also celebrating it in the whole 'globalized family' as all the peoples believing in traditional Chinese culture to give our thanksgivings to gods' bless, the happiness moments of gaining materials' supports from 天 (sky), and the applications of new technologies & sciences in agriculture in the first season annually. (Photograph: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Inductive_celebration_of_Duanwu_Festival_-_a_table_of_food_in_Chinese_ordinary_family_as_the_first_harvest_from_spring_to_summer.jpg) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jason M. C., Han ( talk • contribs) 01:44, 9 June 2016 (UTC)
Jason M. C., Han ( talk) 01:25, 9 June 2016 (UTC)
Thanks for raising a good question here, Bathrobe. However, I'd suggest Duan Wu Festival be used here to incorporate more activities that people do on this day rather than a simple though most popular dragon boat race. I will do a little research and come up with some paragraphes about what other things Chinese do to celebrate this festival. Chrisliu ( talk) 17:50, 20 May 2008 (UTC)
I hadn't realised that the page title has been an issue in the past. Just explaining my earlier edits:
Cheers, -- PalaceGuard008 ( Talk) 03:48, 4 June 2008 (UTC)
The result of the proposal was no consensus. JPG-GR ( talk) 02:39, 23 June 2008 (UTC)
Duanwu Festival → Dragon Boat Festival — The article should be moved to Dragon Boat Festival as per Wikipedia naming convention of 'Use English Words' and 'Use common names of person and things' — Mr.Clown ( talk) 11:34, 5 June 2008 (UTC)
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This user doubled the length of the article. How about some sources? Benjwong ( talk) 05:35, 30 June 2008 (UTC)
I am Chinese and I found the section of Etymology very misleading. This ocassion is greatly related to Qu Yuan, the poet, but not just a time to commemorate him. There's still a lot of disputes about the actual orgin of this festive, for example, here (in Chinese) gives 7 different explanations. Also, there are more than one alternative name. I sugget to merge the sections of Etymology and History. Should someone do this or shall I do it? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Symnodas ( talk • contribs) 03:12, 10 June 2010 (UTC)
[Cleaned up.] — LlywelynII 08:28, 7 November 2013 (UTC)
The basic gist is that the traditional festival had much more to do with fear of overly-strong yang and its effect on health. Also snakes and their effect on same. The article should include a bit more, esp. if one of you guys with academic journal access can find less snippetty accounts. — LlywelynII 08:28, 7 November 2013 (UTC)
Duanwu was not legally a public holiday but had always been a festival in mainland China. And there was no ban on it even during the cultural revolution. From the sources I have, students were given a day or half a day off during the festival as the cultural revolution went on. Some activities like dragon boat racing were indeed suspended in this period, but was restarted no long after the revolution's end. It is more like "the PRC did not recognize this traditional festival as a legal public holiday" instead of "PRC denied a traditional holiday". So I made the changes in the Public Holiday section. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.227.169.114 ( talk) 12:10, 11 May 2011 (UTC)
"Kanji" is not the name of a matsuri anywhere in Japan. (Tenjin-matsuri?) And AFAIK, the other "equivalent" festivals do not have boat races. Kortoso ( talk) 22:59, 12 June 2013 (UTC)
The name " Dragon Boat Festival" is far, far and away the WP:ENGLISH WP:COMMONNAME of this festival. The opposition above seems to come from Westerners who feel it may not adequately describe all of China, but the only legitimate reason to violate the policies mentioned is official use by the Chinese government. Does it change anyone's mind that "Dragon Boat Festival" is the official English use of the PRC government and their English-language media such as CCTV and China Daily? (This includes the local governments of Beijing and other areas the posters above feel aren't "represented" because of their lack of boats.) Taiwan and Macao also use "Dragon Boat Festival".
(Oddly enough, given the discussion above, Hong Kong is the only place where the holiday is official that doesn't call it "Dragon Boat Festival": they've gone with Cantonese since at least 2011. Not sure that's really an argument to keep the Mandarin name, though.)
If the discussion opens back up, absolutely count me in support of a move back. — LlywelynII 10:21, 3 November 2013 (UTC)
Some other excellent images people might prefer or want to include as the article grows (some look better small than at full size): 1, 2, 3, 4, 5. Many of the images at Wikicommons (and the one previously heading this page) seem to be Germans and Brits uploading pictures of themselves playing at the custom: I think that's fine for dragon boat but not the best fit here unless the article expands enough to include an overview of the festival's celebration outside of China. We should aim to keep the images descriptive of the text we're running. — LlywelynII 17:47, 3 November 2013 (UTC)
Per WP:ERA, this edit established the usage of this page as BC/AD. Kindly maintain it consistently, pending a new consensus. — LlywelynII 19:42, 3 November 2013 (UTC)
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Nice to see a chapter written about Cao E in this topic of the Dragon Boat Festival. But I think a page of Cao E's own on Wikipedia in English would be appropriate. The tragic accident of Cao E and her father is one thing, but the consequences are enormous. Every year Cao E is commemorated at the Cao-e temple, there is a special tomb made for her in the temple. The Cao-e River is named after her. A historical memorial stone for Cao E was made in the Song Dynasty because the old one was ruined, in 1093 Emperor Zhezong built a hall in the temple. Not to mention the many stelae donated to Cao E by famous people. A city in Zhejiang Province is named after her. There are many statues of Cao E and Cao E is mentioned in the great Han book and in the Wu Shuang Pu. The story of Cao E is a symbol of Filial piety. Therefore, it deserves a page of its own. There is a Dutch Wikipedia page where you can see how big Cao E is. Arno Jacobs ( talk) 10:33, 14 September 2021 (UTC)
This is unheard of and doesn't make any sense, could be a mis-reference, need verification. Lanceton ( talk) 16:59, 23 June 2023 (UTC)
It seems odd that when talking about how he was Prime Minister during the Warring States period, it gives the entire length of the Warring States period rather than the length of time Qu Yuan held that position, which is obviously not 400 years. 2603:7000:8100:D4E5:7CFC:6D0C:D95:112D ( talk) 13:34, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
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Due to the meagre content of this page, it might be worth considering to merge it with and redirect it to Zongzi#Origins... Malbi—Preceding undated comment added 11:00, 31 May 2006
Is the month this usually occurs in June? If so, that should be added to the article. Badagnani 00:19, 29 January 2007 (UTC)
端午 is actually duānwŭ in pinyin, not duan1wu1 as is currently written, but I don't know how to write it with tone markings instead of numbers, so someone else will have to do it!
Done Apeman 17:33,13 June 2011 (UTC)
making the egg standing vertically on a flat surface is the tradition game in this festival. 69.120.146.217 02:34, 20 June 2007 (UTC)StephenChao
The name Dragon Boat Festival is well-known in English. Is there any particular reason for shifting it to the Mandarin name? Given that Chinese dialects have different names for this festival, the 'official' Mandarin name doesn't appear to have much over the other names. (I am open to reason on this one -- I realise that Beijing doesn't have dragon boat racing at the time of the festival, but on the other hand, Beijing and the north hardly even follow this festival, except for the zongzi).
Also, User:Yau, when making such important changes, it might be useful to ask first on the discussion page. And changing the name of an article isn't a minor change, which is what you have tagged it. User:Bathrobe
Your opinion has been reasoned to the key point: causing the geographic differentiation, Northern parts of China have dry climates. As a result, it was hard to hold Dragon Boat competitions as the southern parts. Therefore, the 'official' Mandarin name 'Duanwu' has very few relationship with Dragon Boat. This point is carrying some evidences. That's right.
However, from my participant-observations (I am a North face), this festival has already become a national festival that every family almost all takes it. In north faces' minds and also the peoples from Great China area, this festival is somewhat has the relationship with tranditional ‘时令’ - Chinese calendar (Resource: /info/en/?search=Chinese_calendar) and ‘气节’ -Solar term (Resource: /info/en/?search=Solar_term),and of the essential importance for the remembrance of Sir Quyuan - this great national historical poet (Resource: /info/en/?search=Qu_Yuan) and his historical conributions.
Therefore, its educational meanings and historical contributions of Patriotism to 炎黄子孙(Resource: /info/en/?search=Yan_Huang_Zisun) wherever around the worlds are much over merely holding a dragon boat racing. Ordinal Peoples living in Great China Area no matter the dry parts or wet parts (especially the dry parts) usually take the historical remembrance of Sir Quyuan and the nourishing maintenance of their family bond on the higher. Another reason is that it can also be seen as the happy harvest for May, from Spring to summer. Nowadays, depending on the natural differentiations of geography, North faces (especially the farmers) are also celebrating it in the whole 'globalized family' as all the peoples believing in traditional Chinese culture to give our thanksgivings to gods' bless, the happiness moments of gaining materials' supports from 天 (sky), and the applications of new technologies & sciences in agriculture in the first season annually. (Photograph: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Inductive_celebration_of_Duanwu_Festival_-_a_table_of_food_in_Chinese_ordinary_family_as_the_first_harvest_from_spring_to_summer.jpg) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jason M. C., Han ( talk • contribs) 01:44, 9 June 2016 (UTC)
Jason M. C., Han ( talk) 01:25, 9 June 2016 (UTC)
Thanks for raising a good question here, Bathrobe. However, I'd suggest Duan Wu Festival be used here to incorporate more activities that people do on this day rather than a simple though most popular dragon boat race. I will do a little research and come up with some paragraphes about what other things Chinese do to celebrate this festival. Chrisliu ( talk) 17:50, 20 May 2008 (UTC)
I hadn't realised that the page title has been an issue in the past. Just explaining my earlier edits:
Cheers, -- PalaceGuard008 ( Talk) 03:48, 4 June 2008 (UTC)
The result of the proposal was no consensus. JPG-GR ( talk) 02:39, 23 June 2008 (UTC)
Duanwu Festival → Dragon Boat Festival — The article should be moved to Dragon Boat Festival as per Wikipedia naming convention of 'Use English Words' and 'Use common names of person and things' — Mr.Clown ( talk) 11:34, 5 June 2008 (UTC)
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This user doubled the length of the article. How about some sources? Benjwong ( talk) 05:35, 30 June 2008 (UTC)
I am Chinese and I found the section of Etymology very misleading. This ocassion is greatly related to Qu Yuan, the poet, but not just a time to commemorate him. There's still a lot of disputes about the actual orgin of this festive, for example, here (in Chinese) gives 7 different explanations. Also, there are more than one alternative name. I sugget to merge the sections of Etymology and History. Should someone do this or shall I do it? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Symnodas ( talk • contribs) 03:12, 10 June 2010 (UTC)
[Cleaned up.] — LlywelynII 08:28, 7 November 2013 (UTC)
The basic gist is that the traditional festival had much more to do with fear of overly-strong yang and its effect on health. Also snakes and their effect on same. The article should include a bit more, esp. if one of you guys with academic journal access can find less snippetty accounts. — LlywelynII 08:28, 7 November 2013 (UTC)
Duanwu was not legally a public holiday but had always been a festival in mainland China. And there was no ban on it even during the cultural revolution. From the sources I have, students were given a day or half a day off during the festival as the cultural revolution went on. Some activities like dragon boat racing were indeed suspended in this period, but was restarted no long after the revolution's end. It is more like "the PRC did not recognize this traditional festival as a legal public holiday" instead of "PRC denied a traditional holiday". So I made the changes in the Public Holiday section. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.227.169.114 ( talk) 12:10, 11 May 2011 (UTC)
"Kanji" is not the name of a matsuri anywhere in Japan. (Tenjin-matsuri?) And AFAIK, the other "equivalent" festivals do not have boat races. Kortoso ( talk) 22:59, 12 June 2013 (UTC)
The name " Dragon Boat Festival" is far, far and away the WP:ENGLISH WP:COMMONNAME of this festival. The opposition above seems to come from Westerners who feel it may not adequately describe all of China, but the only legitimate reason to violate the policies mentioned is official use by the Chinese government. Does it change anyone's mind that "Dragon Boat Festival" is the official English use of the PRC government and their English-language media such as CCTV and China Daily? (This includes the local governments of Beijing and other areas the posters above feel aren't "represented" because of their lack of boats.) Taiwan and Macao also use "Dragon Boat Festival".
(Oddly enough, given the discussion above, Hong Kong is the only place where the holiday is official that doesn't call it "Dragon Boat Festival": they've gone with Cantonese since at least 2011. Not sure that's really an argument to keep the Mandarin name, though.)
If the discussion opens back up, absolutely count me in support of a move back. — LlywelynII 10:21, 3 November 2013 (UTC)
Some other excellent images people might prefer or want to include as the article grows (some look better small than at full size): 1, 2, 3, 4, 5. Many of the images at Wikicommons (and the one previously heading this page) seem to be Germans and Brits uploading pictures of themselves playing at the custom: I think that's fine for dragon boat but not the best fit here unless the article expands enough to include an overview of the festival's celebration outside of China. We should aim to keep the images descriptive of the text we're running. — LlywelynII 17:47, 3 November 2013 (UTC)
Per WP:ERA, this edit established the usage of this page as BC/AD. Kindly maintain it consistently, pending a new consensus. — LlywelynII 19:42, 3 November 2013 (UTC)
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Nice to see a chapter written about Cao E in this topic of the Dragon Boat Festival. But I think a page of Cao E's own on Wikipedia in English would be appropriate. The tragic accident of Cao E and her father is one thing, but the consequences are enormous. Every year Cao E is commemorated at the Cao-e temple, there is a special tomb made for her in the temple. The Cao-e River is named after her. A historical memorial stone for Cao E was made in the Song Dynasty because the old one was ruined, in 1093 Emperor Zhezong built a hall in the temple. Not to mention the many stelae donated to Cao E by famous people. A city in Zhejiang Province is named after her. There are many statues of Cao E and Cao E is mentioned in the great Han book and in the Wu Shuang Pu. The story of Cao E is a symbol of Filial piety. Therefore, it deserves a page of its own. There is a Dutch Wikipedia page where you can see how big Cao E is. Arno Jacobs ( talk) 10:33, 14 September 2021 (UTC)
This is unheard of and doesn't make any sense, could be a mis-reference, need verification. Lanceton ( talk) 16:59, 23 June 2023 (UTC)
It seems odd that when talking about how he was Prime Minister during the Warring States period, it gives the entire length of the Warring States period rather than the length of time Qu Yuan held that position, which is obviously not 400 years. 2603:7000:8100:D4E5:7CFC:6D0C:D95:112D ( talk) 13:34, 10 June 2024 (UTC)