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I plan on creating a new section for this page entitled “High School Drop Out” with a subsection for the United States. It will be a brief blurb describing the bare bones of the issue. There will be a link to a new article I will be writing that explores high school dropout in the United States in more detail. Hopefully the new section will encourage others to write on the topic from different countries’ perspectives. Alison.moscoso
"Dropping out is what 40% of people in school do these days. They may do this because they don't like school, they have drug problems or they have a career opportunity." Removed until a source is given. I dunno about you guys, but my school doesn't have 1,080 students dropping out. Ahanix1989
I'm planning to basically start from scratch on this page-adding sections on how dropout rates differ across socioeconomic levels, how it limits future job opportunities, increase risk of increased poverty, etc. Anyone willing to help, please let me know on my talk page. It would be especially appreciated if users from countries other than the U.S. would be willing to contribute to this article; otherwise it runs the risk of being highly USA-centric. LeeRamsey ( talk) 03:21, 28 January 2008 (UTC)
-- Jezebel'sPonyo bons mots 22:13, 22 November 2010 (UTC)
Alison.moscoso ( talk) 21:40, 20 September 2011 (UTC)
This sounds crazy, but this could be useful as a link or "see also" under " Education in the United States" IFF we drop Einstein and a couple of others. Most are American dropouts anyway. We would then have a list of five or so in the "high level" article and a pointer to "List of drop outs in the United States." Student7 ( talk) 20:46, 20 November 2010 (UTC)
I removed someone who didn't take his doctorate from "Dropping Out." An editor, either not understanding, or whatever, reverted it. No one in the world would recognize the term "dropping out" as pertaining to a person beyond undergraduate degree. Will someone else delete it. It clearly doesn't belong in the article. Student7 ( talk) 23:44, 1 December 2010 (UTC)
I have filed a third opinion request per dispute resolution policy and guidelines. -- Jezebel'sPonyo bons mots 14:14, 18 April 2011 (UTC)
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Opinion: I take it that this diff defines the dispute. Let me point out that this dispute is not over narrative text which asserts that failure to complete a doctorate is dropping out, but over the inclusion or exclusion of Farquharson as an example of a doctoral drop-out. I'm going to address that dispute, not the disagreement over the general principle. And it's one that is simply resolved. Farquharson did not drop out of his doctoral program however that term might be defined. He received his undergraduate degree in 1953 and his doctorate in 1958, as is clearly described in the second reference, the Dummett paper, given in that diff (full text can be examined through EBSCO Academic Search Complete, which is available through most public libraries) and, indeed, in the Robin Farquharson WP article as well. Farquharson was a dropout, but from society, not academia, due to mental illness. If either of you wants to assert that failure to complete a doctorate is or is not considered to be dropping out, and can provide reliable sources for that assertion, more power to you. (But I would take a look at WP:NOTDICTIONARY before you do.) Until then, there's nothing to argue about, except perhaps about the color of templates. Kudos to both of you, however, for taking this to dispute resolution before you reached that point. |
What's next: Once you've considered this opinion click here to see what happens next.— TRANSPORTERMAN ( TALK) 01:29, 19 April 2011 (UTC) |
While they wouldn't be notable, 94% of all young murder victims are male high school dropouts. Student7 ( talk) 00:56, 27 June 2011 (UTC)
This article is overall well written. I'm now using it as a main source as I'm creating this page in another language, but there's a big issue. The majority of the people who don't have a linked source next to their names, are apparently not even dropouts. I've done a little research, but wasn't able to find information that confirmed this claim for many of them. [Update: The issue was fixed on December 2013]. Shalom11111 ( talk) 08:21, 10 March 2013 (UTC)
Sounds like me Lin Rongxiang 14:55, 30 December 2013 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ronggy ( talk • contribs)
The UK section is mostly about university.
Probably because people aren't allow to drop out of school. It is a legal requirement in the UK that children are sent to school. [there's a loophole for home schoolers]
This should be moved to "Dropouts (education)"
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The result of the move request was: Not moved — Amakuru ( talk) 16:19, 2 January 2020 (UTC)
– This article is the WP:PRIMARYTOPIC for "dropout". It should also be moved per WP:NOUN. ZXCVBNM ( TALK) 16:21, 25 December 2019 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: not moved. Other than not having any support, it hasn't even been a month since the last RM was closed. This RM was initiated way too soon. ( closed by non-admin page mover) Jerm ( talk) 14:58, 20 January 2020 (UTC)
Dropping out → Dropout (education) – Since this article is not primary, it should be moved to be properly disambiguated. My reasoning is as follows: "Dropping out" can also be used to describe other terms, such as "the connection dropping out" or "radiation dropping out". Therefore, it is overly vague and should be redirected to Dropout. Per WP:NOUN and WP:CONSISTENT, it should also be called "dropout". ZXCVBNM ( TALK) 22:59, 4 January 2020 (UTC) —Relisting. Cwmhiraeth ( talk) 10:52, 13 January 2020 (UTC)
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I plan on creating a new section for this page entitled “High School Drop Out” with a subsection for the United States. It will be a brief blurb describing the bare bones of the issue. There will be a link to a new article I will be writing that explores high school dropout in the United States in more detail. Hopefully the new section will encourage others to write on the topic from different countries’ perspectives. Alison.moscoso
"Dropping out is what 40% of people in school do these days. They may do this because they don't like school, they have drug problems or they have a career opportunity." Removed until a source is given. I dunno about you guys, but my school doesn't have 1,080 students dropping out. Ahanix1989
I'm planning to basically start from scratch on this page-adding sections on how dropout rates differ across socioeconomic levels, how it limits future job opportunities, increase risk of increased poverty, etc. Anyone willing to help, please let me know on my talk page. It would be especially appreciated if users from countries other than the U.S. would be willing to contribute to this article; otherwise it runs the risk of being highly USA-centric. LeeRamsey ( talk) 03:21, 28 January 2008 (UTC)
-- Jezebel'sPonyo bons mots 22:13, 22 November 2010 (UTC)
Alison.moscoso ( talk) 21:40, 20 September 2011 (UTC)
This sounds crazy, but this could be useful as a link or "see also" under " Education in the United States" IFF we drop Einstein and a couple of others. Most are American dropouts anyway. We would then have a list of five or so in the "high level" article and a pointer to "List of drop outs in the United States." Student7 ( talk) 20:46, 20 November 2010 (UTC)
I removed someone who didn't take his doctorate from "Dropping Out." An editor, either not understanding, or whatever, reverted it. No one in the world would recognize the term "dropping out" as pertaining to a person beyond undergraduate degree. Will someone else delete it. It clearly doesn't belong in the article. Student7 ( talk) 23:44, 1 December 2010 (UTC)
I have filed a third opinion request per dispute resolution policy and guidelines. -- Jezebel'sPonyo bons mots 14:14, 18 April 2011 (UTC)
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Disclaimers: I am responding to a third opinion request made at WP:3O. I have made no previous edits on Dropping out and have no known association with the editors involved in this discussion. The third opinion process (FAQ) is informal and I have no special powers or authority apart from being a fresh pair of eyes. Third opinions are not tiebreakers and should not be "counted" in determining whether or not consensus has been reached. My personal standards for issuing third opinions can be viewed here. |
Opinion: I take it that this diff defines the dispute. Let me point out that this dispute is not over narrative text which asserts that failure to complete a doctorate is dropping out, but over the inclusion or exclusion of Farquharson as an example of a doctoral drop-out. I'm going to address that dispute, not the disagreement over the general principle. And it's one that is simply resolved. Farquharson did not drop out of his doctoral program however that term might be defined. He received his undergraduate degree in 1953 and his doctorate in 1958, as is clearly described in the second reference, the Dummett paper, given in that diff (full text can be examined through EBSCO Academic Search Complete, which is available through most public libraries) and, indeed, in the Robin Farquharson WP article as well. Farquharson was a dropout, but from society, not academia, due to mental illness. If either of you wants to assert that failure to complete a doctorate is or is not considered to be dropping out, and can provide reliable sources for that assertion, more power to you. (But I would take a look at WP:NOTDICTIONARY before you do.) Until then, there's nothing to argue about, except perhaps about the color of templates. Kudos to both of you, however, for taking this to dispute resolution before you reached that point. |
What's next: Once you've considered this opinion click here to see what happens next.— TRANSPORTERMAN ( TALK) 01:29, 19 April 2011 (UTC) |
While they wouldn't be notable, 94% of all young murder victims are male high school dropouts. Student7 ( talk) 00:56, 27 June 2011 (UTC)
This article is overall well written. I'm now using it as a main source as I'm creating this page in another language, but there's a big issue. The majority of the people who don't have a linked source next to their names, are apparently not even dropouts. I've done a little research, but wasn't able to find information that confirmed this claim for many of them. [Update: The issue was fixed on December 2013]. Shalom11111 ( talk) 08:21, 10 March 2013 (UTC)
Sounds like me Lin Rongxiang 14:55, 30 December 2013 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ronggy ( talk • contribs)
The UK section is mostly about university.
Probably because people aren't allow to drop out of school. It is a legal requirement in the UK that children are sent to school. [there's a loophole for home schoolers]
This should be moved to "Dropouts (education)"
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The result of the move request was: Not moved — Amakuru ( talk) 16:19, 2 January 2020 (UTC)
– This article is the WP:PRIMARYTOPIC for "dropout". It should also be moved per WP:NOUN. ZXCVBNM ( TALK) 16:21, 25 December 2019 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: not moved. Other than not having any support, it hasn't even been a month since the last RM was closed. This RM was initiated way too soon. ( closed by non-admin page mover) Jerm ( talk) 14:58, 20 January 2020 (UTC)
Dropping out → Dropout (education) – Since this article is not primary, it should be moved to be properly disambiguated. My reasoning is as follows: "Dropping out" can also be used to describe other terms, such as "the connection dropping out" or "radiation dropping out". Therefore, it is overly vague and should be redirected to Dropout. Per WP:NOUN and WP:CONSISTENT, it should also be called "dropout". ZXCVBNM ( TALK) 22:59, 4 January 2020 (UTC) —Relisting. Cwmhiraeth ( talk) 10:52, 13 January 2020 (UTC)