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There is a mistake here stating Dracula died by being stabbed by a Bowie knife. I checked copy of the book and while Quency Morris did stab Dracula in the heart with the Bowie at the same time Jonathan Harker decapitated Dracula with a Kukri knife. I'm pretty sure it's meant that the decapitation killed the count not the stabbing--Matthew Ilseman--Mornatur Ormacil 14:13, 18 September 2006 (UTC)
Shouldn't there be more historical context information in the analysis section, especially about victorian gender roles and the "new woman" concept? I also think it reads rather clumsily to include elements of vampiric lore in the analysis. There should be a separate section for that. Laurencooper 11:30, 25 July 2005 (UTC)
Hello? "a secret fraternal order of knights called the Order of the Dragon, founded by King Sigismund of Hungary (who became the Holy Roman Emperor in 1410) to uphold Christianity and defend the Empire against the Ottoman Turks"?
Call me a running dog lackey of the evil rationalist zombies, but whenever I see something like this my Conspiracy theory alert goes off. Anybody have anything to back this up?
(I'm not calling anybody names here, I just want to know where this came from.)
If I had time, I'd want to compare this article to [1] and other sources. -- LMS
"Dracula is the most famous (fictional, or mythical) vampire."
This would be as opposed to "real, non-mythical" vampire?
I gave it a shot. :-)
But Carmilla is definitely the most interesting... sjc
There is no evidence that Stoker ever read anything about Vlad Drakul/Vlad the Impaler while doing research for his book. See "Dracula: Sense and Nonsense" by Elizabeth Miller. --corvus13
Oh dear, Elizabeth Miller really does have you wound up, doesn't she? Her viewpoint is kind of unique amongst scholars.... It is just a theory; there are many other arguments against her point of view. There are 3 threads to the source of Dracula: 1. Irish folk-myth (some of the Sidhe were thought to drink human blood; 2. Carmilla by Sheridan le Fanu and 3. (and problematically from Ms Miller's viewpoint) Vlad Tepes. 1 and 2 are not disputed by Ms Miller. Her argument definitely substantiates Carmilla as a source. But. Her arguments are based upon a number of assumptions, and while they are intellectually coherent, many of them are circumstantial. We will never know for sure. sjc
"A huge dog or wolf is seen running from the ship, " To note: the novel says only about a "huge dog"
"Lucy's mother is killed by a strange wolf and Lucy becomes pale and distrait. The Dutch vampire expert, Professor Van Helsing, is brought in and determines that Lucy's mother was killed by a werewolf and that Lucy is dying. "
Um, it's a while since I read the book, but isn't the wolf actually Drac in another form (as shown in the Buffy episode)? Hence not a werewolf.
Should this page mention the series of books by Fred Saberhagen told from Dracula's point of view? The Dracula Tape is a re-telling of the original book by Dracula himself, taking a predictably dim view of Van Helsing's MO. There are several more, including one with Sherlock Holmes as Dracula's nephew (explaining the remarkable physical resemblance between the two characters :-). -- Phil 11:01, Feb 5, 2004 (UTC)
I've just uploaded Image:DraculaLugosi1931Poster.jpg, but I've not added it to the article, as I don't know the copyright status. I would assume that a 1931 film poster is now PD, but amn't sure how best to check... OwenBlacker
Compare this page to superman. In this case I think separating out Dracula (about the character, its history, the current meme and its many offspring in literature and otherwise; with a brief summary of the various tales of Dracula's life) from Dracula (book) (with detail on Stoker's novel, a more fully spoilered plot synopsis, and analysis of the text). The many paragraphs of textual and character analysis are out of step with an article giving an overview of what modern audiences (who have yet to read the original novel) think of when they hear "Dracula". For that article, perhaps a movie poster picture of a black-and-white dracule about to sahck someone's blahd? +sj + 04:26, 25 Jun 2004 (UTC)
A mini-list from a quick google:
Dracula: Prince of Many Faces: His Life and Times by Radu R. Florescu and Raymond T. McNally is a chilling biography of Vlad Dracula. (UK)
In Search of Dracula: The History of Dracula and Vampires, also by Raymond T. McNally and Radu Florescu. This book explains the connections between the real Dracula and Bram Stoker's fictional vampire. (UK)
Vlad the Impaler: In Search of the Real Dracula by M. J. Trow. Was Dracula a heroic freedom fighter or a bloodthirsty mass-murderer? This biography peels back the layers of myth and history to reveal the the real Vlad the Impaler. (UK)
Vlad III Dracula: The Life and Times of the Historical Dracula by Kurt W. Treptow. A scholarly biography. (UK)
Dracula: Sense and Nonsense by Elizabeth Miller. The author, an expert on Bram Stoker's novel, believes Stoker did not base his Dracula character on Vlad the Impaler. (UK) Other Novels
Dracula, the Son of the Dragon by Neal John Iacono. A novel about Vlad the Impaler. (UK)
Covenant With the Vampire: The Diaries of the Family Dracul by Jeanne Kalogridis. The first in a trilogy of novels about a fictional descendant of the real Prince Dracula who uncovers the secrets of his family's past.
Children of the Vampire: The Diaries of the Family Dracul by Jeanne Kalogridis is the sequel to Covenant With the Vampire. Dracula's descendant continues his battle with his evil ancestor.
Lord of the Vampires is the final book in Jeanne Kalogridis's Diaries of the Family Dracul trilogy.
Vlad Dracula: The Dragon Prince by Michael Augustyn is a novel about the real Dracula. Out of print, but may be available.
Vlad by Melodie Romeo. Another fictionalized account of the real Vlad Dracula's life. (UK)
I'd really like to know how the original novel Dracula became so much a "love story" that the claim was worth making in the first paragraph. While Bram Stoker's Dracula portrayed Dracula's pursuit of Mina as a love story, this is clearly revisionism and not what Stoker intended, and the relationships between the human characters really don't justify the classification of the book as a "love story". -- Antaeus Feldspar
In an early issue of OMNI magazine (now that takes me back more than a few years) there was an interesting speculation that the Dracula Myth might go back to prehistoric man. I don't have the original article, nor do I remember all of it (which is why this belongs here on the discussion page and not edited into the article). But the main point went something like this. When our ancestors were living in caves some might have strayed so far into them that they might have been bitten by bats, either when awake or asleep. This might have led to the onset of rabies, symptons of which can include an aversion to light and water. The madness that can follow might cause such problems in the tribe that killing the person might be the only way to protect the rest. Of course, this could all be terrible codswollop (or batswollop if you prefer). I wanted to post it as food for thought for Dracula fans and just in case it puts me in contact with someone who hung on to their copies of OMNI and can let me see the article again. MarnetteD | Talk 19:56, 5 May 2005 (UTC)
sorry if that has come up already, but I looked for the book "Dracula" and the first definition was: "Dracula is a fictional character" - wouldn't it be better to put something like "Dracula is both a novel and its eponymous antagonist"? ( clem 19:06, 14 May 2005 (UTC))
somebody should mention the simpsons episode that parodied bram stoker's dracula from season 5. where mr. burns is dracula.
It may be important to put moree influences on the story. Here is and * example. Stoker got his ideas from a lot of places, not just a few.
Was Dracula: The Musical, which was on Broadway earlier this year, mentioned in the article? Link: http://frankwildhorn.com/projects/dracula/ -- Kindeditor 16:08, 22 October 2005 (UTC)
Shouldn't there be a page dedicated to the character of Dracula himself, perhaps listing differences between his various incarnations?
The image of the Dracula postage stamp appears to violate the conditions of fair use that are claimed on the image page:
BrainyBroad 21:49, 31 October 2005 (UTC)
I am fairly sure Professor Van Helsin makes a reference to Arminus Vambery at some point in the novel. If so, then there is some evidence of Stoker and Vambery knowing of one another and possibly communicating. Does anybody else know? -- Pejhman 23:27, 07 January 2006 ( AEDT)
According to Leonard Wolf a published expert on Dracula (who wrote "The Essential Dracula"), the most faithful reproduction was a BBC mini-series (I'd have to look up which) -- I think we should not be overly definitive about one movie or another being the most accurate. -- Stbalbach 15:19, 19 January 2006 (UTC)
the Analysis section includes a mention that in Nosferatu was the first mention of daylight being fatal to the Vampire, and that in Dracula , the Count is able to move around by daylight. Would somebody point me to where this happens? Becaus I feel it's wrong.
My memory tells me of Harker meeting the Count only by night... and of the Vampire having to be carried in his earth boxes on the ship, presumably going out at night to feed, since the ship was mysteriously found devoid of life, and at the end, he's not moving under his own power but carried in a coffin by his gipsy servants. This goes well with the traditional view that, by day, the vampire must lie down in a torpor, and may not act (or he might have been able to defend himself at the very end... (he was looking exultand, gloating at the fact that the sun's disappearance would leave him free to act).
Now, the novel is thick and I may not remember or never have noticed key passages. Just where in that book is the count active by day? -- Svartalf 21:59, 19 January 2006 (UTC)
Just made some changes:
changed the last sentence of the first paragraph to:
"much of the vampire's popularity in Western culture can be attributed to his novel, which spawned scores of theatrical and movie interpretations."
from :
"the novel's influence on the popularity of vampires cannot be overestimated, spawning scores of theatrical and movie interpretations."
the previous just sounded awkward, I didn't like the use of "overestimated", but some might not find it as awkward sounding as I did, so please change it back if it sounds better to you
Ok some Drac-buffs need to do work here:
(1) Separate the novel and films from the character. The character should include different portrayals of him and also comparison to Vlad III. Dracula (novel) Dracula (character)
(2) The best picture we have is of a postage stamp?
(3) A separate article on the castle, with renditions and possible candidates for the real Castle Dracula. Castle Dracula or Dracula's Castle
-- Codenamecuckoo 09:33, 17 April 2006 (UTC)
The section explaining the references in Vampire Hunter D referred to the series as manga and movie series. I simply changed it to book series because the movies are not a series in any form.
I am not the author of this section but I felt the articles NPOV suffered because of this section. I hope the author is not offended and I'm glad they are contributing to Wikipedia, but this seems much to 'fan-crufty' to be included. It also is of questionable validity-- The Wizard of Oz and the Gold Standard anyone?
I'm the original author, I'm not at all offended, and would like to suggest anyone who wishes to doso may condense, change, alter, or otherwise improve the contribution I made. Provided they doso critally and leave it better than they found it. -- Davou 22:03, 8 July 2006 (UTC)
It may not have been Stoker’s intent, but in light of contemporary global political turns, it can be argued that Dracula is a satire of capitalism and the social castes that led to it. Stoker often creates and exaggerates the then modern divide between the classes, and illustrates the rising middle class in his mainline characters and their interaction with secondary personae.
Bram Stoker seemed to be very deliberate in placing his characters smack center in the social spectrum. Van Helsing, Jonathan Harker, Mina Murray, Lucy Westenra, John Seward and Quincey Morris are all members of the rising middle class by either trade, birth or marriage. [While Dracula and Goldaming are both members of the now defunct and then dying upper class or bourgeois.] As Senf notes “Considering the importance of class in the nineteenth century […], it would be a mistake to ignore class when reading anything written in the nineteenth century” (Senf, 99). This includes when one reads into the characters present in such a story. “Nineteenth century preoccupation with class should motivate readers of any nineteenth-century work to examine class issues, Stoker’s novel is so obvious in its treatment of class.” (Senf, 99). The barefaced nature in which Stoker separates class and defines the divide in Dracula only serves to further accentuate the satirical nature in which Dracula would be read by a Marxist or neo-Marxist observer.
Dracula can be viewed as stokers Marxist attack in capitalist upper class citizens in Europe. “Recent Marxist critics have alighted on Dracula as illustrating what they see as inherent contradictions in capitalism” (Leatherdale, 216) those illustrations in particular being the nature of Dracula as a vampire (whose nature it is to thrive by causing others two falter. The bourgeois, like the vampire, strives only to the end of impoverishing the lower class of money (blood) and to placate the proletariat’s desire to rise against them; “They, therefore, endeavor, and that consistently, to deaden the class struggle and to reconcile the class antagonisms.” (Marx, 24) In essence Dracula is the archetypal capitalist exploiter” (Leatherdale, 216) and is similar to the Marxist bourgeois in the way that he returns continually to exploit the blood of his victims; “No sooner is the exploitation of the laborer by the manufacturer, so far at an end, that he receives his wages in cash, than he is set upon by the other portions of the bourgeoisie, the landlord, the shopkeeper, the pawnbroker, etc.” (Marx, 7). Stoker only strengthens these points when he makes reference to “The Czarina Catherine” in choosing a name for his ship; coincidence that the ship which carries Dracula (symbolic of capitalism and the bourgeois) away from England is named for a member of the monarchy that spawned one of the first, and most notorious Marxist revolutions?
The nature of Stokers satire is reverberated and gains strength in the way he is consistent with his opinion of the working class peoples. As Senf suggests, “In general, Stoker is condescending towards his working-class characters, presenting them as drunkards and cowards, occasionally even as thieves” (Senf, 105) and as a result, he establishes a stage for Dracula’s air of superiority, and an exposition of his ignorance regarding the nature of his own social position. For instance “While still in Transylvania Dracula ‘works’ as a coachman, a cook, a chambermaid, and a valet” (Senf, 106). and “In England Dracula adds another menial occupation to his resume of skills—That of laborer. […] The laborer who helps him unload the boxes of earth at Dracula’s estate at Piccadilly” (Senf, 107). in both instances Dracula’s likens himself to the lower class, in contradiction of the nature of his aristocratic position as ‘count’.
Finally one must take time to examine the nature of endings in the book. The time must be taken to notice it is significant that the the only American present was made to die. Ironic, how the nation that has become synonymous with capitalism today was represented in the book by a character who was unable to live. It can be assumed that this is representative of communist/neo-communist apathy towards capitalism. This apathy repeats itself in Dracula’s death, a most anti-climactic climax if there ever was one. Dracula falls limply from the protection of his box, and is slain by the quick and swift motion of a working class blade.
If stoker did not intend his work to be a Marxist satire on the capitalist bourgeoisie, and was instead truly a bigot against the lower class, it is the duty of the intellectual proletariat to interpret his work in such a way, and return it to the sphere of intellect, to demonstrate the efficient nature of the working class effort.
Sources Senf, Carol A. “The comedy of class: Blood Drunkenness, and Hard Work.” Dracula: BetweenTradition and modernism. London: Prentice Hall International, 1998 99- 113.
Leatherdale, Clive. “Dracula as Social and Political Commentary.” Dracula: The Novel and the Legend. Willingborough, Nothhamptonshire: The Aqaurian Press, 1985. 206-222
Marx, Engels, Karl, Frederic. "The Communist Manifesto." Pro. January 25, 2005. Project Guttenburg. 21 April 2006 < http://isis.library.adelaide.edu.au/pg/6/61/61.txt>.
(someone please review this section for grammar/spelling as they are not my strongest point.)
I've made a minor change to the Popular Culture section to correct a statement about Count Duckula. The Count is a creation of Cosgrove Hall, not Nickelodeon. He's a spin-off character from Dangermouse. Snowflake Sans Crainte 00:02, 28 May 2006 (UTC)
Disagree with tag suggesting to split the article into a dab page. There is a lot of context and discussion that would be lost that is currently in the article. I would consider creating a "Dracula in the arts" or "Dracula in popular culture" article, similar to Frankenstein in popular culture, and making this entirely a novel article -- Stbalbach 16:19, 1 August 2006 (UTC)
Please consider adding a link to the public domain, LibriVox recording of the book to this article: http://librivox.org/dracula-by-bram-stoker/
thistlechick 18:42, 1 August 2006 (UTC)
Regarding this entry:
I've removed entirely from the article as I think it is BS. -- Stbalbach 00:26, 6 August 2006 (UTC)
This page said nothing about the Romanian prince, Vlad Dracula, who Bram Stoker really based his novel on. The history channel just aired a special on Dracula and a short biography can be found at http://members.aol.com/johnfranc/drac05.htm.
Thanks!
When i first came upon this article - and this discuss page - i found myself troubled with the systematic doubt about the character basis of the count Dracula, and the several notations about the fact of Dracula possibly not being based on Vlad Tepes. So i went to read the novel again and found this on a Dracula dialogue on chapter 3: "Who was it but one of my own race who as Voivode crossed the Danube and beat the Turk on his own ground? This was a Dracula indeed! Woe was it that his own unworthy brother, when he had fallen, sold his people to the Turk and brought the shame of slavery on them!"
This, with some other phrases like this one - being this the most concise - and with the very detailed Count's portrait on chapter 2, make clear - at least to me - that the original inspiration for Count Dracula was, indeed, the Voivoda Drakulya, Vlad Tepes, and that Stoker has in fact made some research on him, the extent of such research being wide or narrow being a minor matter and unrelated to the fact of Stoker never having visited Transilvania by himself.--Mornatur Ormacil 22:47, 18 October 2006 (UTC)
I watched some film a few years back where it was STRONGLY implied that mehmed the second and a 12-14 year old Radu the Handsome were being gay together. in one scene radu was dressed in nothing but silk pants(a gayish reputation...) so were they really lovers.
"In 1914, two years after Stoker's death, Dracula's Guest was published. This was in fact the deleted first chapter from the original manuscript, which the publishers deemed unnecessary to the overall story." THis is tripe. Not even a cursory glance at the text can lead to such an error. Miller's work has shown this conclusively as well. Check out dracula sense and nonesense sometime. -- Jasonnolan 19:20, 9 October 2006 (UTC)
There are several reasons people confuse Dracula with Hungarians. First of all the article correctly points out that Stoker incorrectly called Dracula a Szekely and that group is only for Hungarians. Second, the most famous movie Dracula was played by Hungarian Bela Lugosi. Lugosi even inserted some Hungarian into the scripts. Last but not least, Hungarians ruled Transylvania for a thousand years. Inspite of everything above the real Dracula was a Romanian. We Hungarians get enough grief from George Soros so we dont need another Vampire.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by Belgrade Glendenning ( talk • contribs) .
Zoe, KQ, film buffs alert! There was no links on the page either to the Browning film or the Hammer films, because, amazingly there are no articles in the Wikipedia on any Dracula film except Abbott and Costello Meet Frankenstein!
Wasn't there a recent movie about the filming of the original Nosfertatu in which the actor playing the vampire actually was a vampire? Ortolan88
There are more than enough movies featuring Dracula to serve as the basis for a Wikipedia article entitled List of movies featuring Dracula, but would it be more efficient to do a List of vampire movies and include a special section for Dracula? -- Modemac 17:27, 24 Mar 2004 (UTC)
The reference to the IMDB search finding fourteen films with "Dracula" in the title was removed - an IMDB title search can't get more results than that anyway. All the sources I've checked give the number of Dracula-related films at 160 minimum, so I've included that number instead. - Sean Curtin 08:32, 10 Jun 2004 (UTC)
Can someone verify the value of the first edition of the book? Should we put the approx. value as part of the article? Leonida November 14th 2006
Wow, thought that the value would be a little higher than that; thanks for the info. Leonida November 15th 2006
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The article was recently promoted to GA, checks out for copyvio and neutrality. Earwig only picked up direct quotes. The photo is public domain, looks good and is in the article. Now that ALT1 has been edited, it is more accurate. The fact that Stoker was wrong does not mean about the word's meaning that it wasn't his inspiration, just that we should not make it appear like he was correct. However, I am approving ALT0 per the nominator's request, and because it has fewer points of contention. I added sources from the article since they should be included in the hook as well. QPQ is not needed since this is only the nominator's third nomination.
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There is a mistake here stating Dracula died by being stabbed by a Bowie knife. I checked copy of the book and while Quency Morris did stab Dracula in the heart with the Bowie at the same time Jonathan Harker decapitated Dracula with a Kukri knife. I'm pretty sure it's meant that the decapitation killed the count not the stabbing--Matthew Ilseman--Mornatur Ormacil 14:13, 18 September 2006 (UTC)
Shouldn't there be more historical context information in the analysis section, especially about victorian gender roles and the "new woman" concept? I also think it reads rather clumsily to include elements of vampiric lore in the analysis. There should be a separate section for that. Laurencooper 11:30, 25 July 2005 (UTC)
Hello? "a secret fraternal order of knights called the Order of the Dragon, founded by King Sigismund of Hungary (who became the Holy Roman Emperor in 1410) to uphold Christianity and defend the Empire against the Ottoman Turks"?
Call me a running dog lackey of the evil rationalist zombies, but whenever I see something like this my Conspiracy theory alert goes off. Anybody have anything to back this up?
(I'm not calling anybody names here, I just want to know where this came from.)
If I had time, I'd want to compare this article to [1] and other sources. -- LMS
"Dracula is the most famous (fictional, or mythical) vampire."
This would be as opposed to "real, non-mythical" vampire?
I gave it a shot. :-)
But Carmilla is definitely the most interesting... sjc
There is no evidence that Stoker ever read anything about Vlad Drakul/Vlad the Impaler while doing research for his book. See "Dracula: Sense and Nonsense" by Elizabeth Miller. --corvus13
Oh dear, Elizabeth Miller really does have you wound up, doesn't she? Her viewpoint is kind of unique amongst scholars.... It is just a theory; there are many other arguments against her point of view. There are 3 threads to the source of Dracula: 1. Irish folk-myth (some of the Sidhe were thought to drink human blood; 2. Carmilla by Sheridan le Fanu and 3. (and problematically from Ms Miller's viewpoint) Vlad Tepes. 1 and 2 are not disputed by Ms Miller. Her argument definitely substantiates Carmilla as a source. But. Her arguments are based upon a number of assumptions, and while they are intellectually coherent, many of them are circumstantial. We will never know for sure. sjc
"A huge dog or wolf is seen running from the ship, " To note: the novel says only about a "huge dog"
"Lucy's mother is killed by a strange wolf and Lucy becomes pale and distrait. The Dutch vampire expert, Professor Van Helsing, is brought in and determines that Lucy's mother was killed by a werewolf and that Lucy is dying. "
Um, it's a while since I read the book, but isn't the wolf actually Drac in another form (as shown in the Buffy episode)? Hence not a werewolf.
Should this page mention the series of books by Fred Saberhagen told from Dracula's point of view? The Dracula Tape is a re-telling of the original book by Dracula himself, taking a predictably dim view of Van Helsing's MO. There are several more, including one with Sherlock Holmes as Dracula's nephew (explaining the remarkable physical resemblance between the two characters :-). -- Phil 11:01, Feb 5, 2004 (UTC)
I've just uploaded Image:DraculaLugosi1931Poster.jpg, but I've not added it to the article, as I don't know the copyright status. I would assume that a 1931 film poster is now PD, but amn't sure how best to check... OwenBlacker
Compare this page to superman. In this case I think separating out Dracula (about the character, its history, the current meme and its many offspring in literature and otherwise; with a brief summary of the various tales of Dracula's life) from Dracula (book) (with detail on Stoker's novel, a more fully spoilered plot synopsis, and analysis of the text). The many paragraphs of textual and character analysis are out of step with an article giving an overview of what modern audiences (who have yet to read the original novel) think of when they hear "Dracula". For that article, perhaps a movie poster picture of a black-and-white dracule about to sahck someone's blahd? +sj + 04:26, 25 Jun 2004 (UTC)
A mini-list from a quick google:
Dracula: Prince of Many Faces: His Life and Times by Radu R. Florescu and Raymond T. McNally is a chilling biography of Vlad Dracula. (UK)
In Search of Dracula: The History of Dracula and Vampires, also by Raymond T. McNally and Radu Florescu. This book explains the connections between the real Dracula and Bram Stoker's fictional vampire. (UK)
Vlad the Impaler: In Search of the Real Dracula by M. J. Trow. Was Dracula a heroic freedom fighter or a bloodthirsty mass-murderer? This biography peels back the layers of myth and history to reveal the the real Vlad the Impaler. (UK)
Vlad III Dracula: The Life and Times of the Historical Dracula by Kurt W. Treptow. A scholarly biography. (UK)
Dracula: Sense and Nonsense by Elizabeth Miller. The author, an expert on Bram Stoker's novel, believes Stoker did not base his Dracula character on Vlad the Impaler. (UK) Other Novels
Dracula, the Son of the Dragon by Neal John Iacono. A novel about Vlad the Impaler. (UK)
Covenant With the Vampire: The Diaries of the Family Dracul by Jeanne Kalogridis. The first in a trilogy of novels about a fictional descendant of the real Prince Dracula who uncovers the secrets of his family's past.
Children of the Vampire: The Diaries of the Family Dracul by Jeanne Kalogridis is the sequel to Covenant With the Vampire. Dracula's descendant continues his battle with his evil ancestor.
Lord of the Vampires is the final book in Jeanne Kalogridis's Diaries of the Family Dracul trilogy.
Vlad Dracula: The Dragon Prince by Michael Augustyn is a novel about the real Dracula. Out of print, but may be available.
Vlad by Melodie Romeo. Another fictionalized account of the real Vlad Dracula's life. (UK)
I'd really like to know how the original novel Dracula became so much a "love story" that the claim was worth making in the first paragraph. While Bram Stoker's Dracula portrayed Dracula's pursuit of Mina as a love story, this is clearly revisionism and not what Stoker intended, and the relationships between the human characters really don't justify the classification of the book as a "love story". -- Antaeus Feldspar
In an early issue of OMNI magazine (now that takes me back more than a few years) there was an interesting speculation that the Dracula Myth might go back to prehistoric man. I don't have the original article, nor do I remember all of it (which is why this belongs here on the discussion page and not edited into the article). But the main point went something like this. When our ancestors were living in caves some might have strayed so far into them that they might have been bitten by bats, either when awake or asleep. This might have led to the onset of rabies, symptons of which can include an aversion to light and water. The madness that can follow might cause such problems in the tribe that killing the person might be the only way to protect the rest. Of course, this could all be terrible codswollop (or batswollop if you prefer). I wanted to post it as food for thought for Dracula fans and just in case it puts me in contact with someone who hung on to their copies of OMNI and can let me see the article again. MarnetteD | Talk 19:56, 5 May 2005 (UTC)
sorry if that has come up already, but I looked for the book "Dracula" and the first definition was: "Dracula is a fictional character" - wouldn't it be better to put something like "Dracula is both a novel and its eponymous antagonist"? ( clem 19:06, 14 May 2005 (UTC))
somebody should mention the simpsons episode that parodied bram stoker's dracula from season 5. where mr. burns is dracula.
It may be important to put moree influences on the story. Here is and * example. Stoker got his ideas from a lot of places, not just a few.
Was Dracula: The Musical, which was on Broadway earlier this year, mentioned in the article? Link: http://frankwildhorn.com/projects/dracula/ -- Kindeditor 16:08, 22 October 2005 (UTC)
Shouldn't there be a page dedicated to the character of Dracula himself, perhaps listing differences between his various incarnations?
The image of the Dracula postage stamp appears to violate the conditions of fair use that are claimed on the image page:
BrainyBroad 21:49, 31 October 2005 (UTC)
I am fairly sure Professor Van Helsin makes a reference to Arminus Vambery at some point in the novel. If so, then there is some evidence of Stoker and Vambery knowing of one another and possibly communicating. Does anybody else know? -- Pejhman 23:27, 07 January 2006 ( AEDT)
According to Leonard Wolf a published expert on Dracula (who wrote "The Essential Dracula"), the most faithful reproduction was a BBC mini-series (I'd have to look up which) -- I think we should not be overly definitive about one movie or another being the most accurate. -- Stbalbach 15:19, 19 January 2006 (UTC)
the Analysis section includes a mention that in Nosferatu was the first mention of daylight being fatal to the Vampire, and that in Dracula , the Count is able to move around by daylight. Would somebody point me to where this happens? Becaus I feel it's wrong.
My memory tells me of Harker meeting the Count only by night... and of the Vampire having to be carried in his earth boxes on the ship, presumably going out at night to feed, since the ship was mysteriously found devoid of life, and at the end, he's not moving under his own power but carried in a coffin by his gipsy servants. This goes well with the traditional view that, by day, the vampire must lie down in a torpor, and may not act (or he might have been able to defend himself at the very end... (he was looking exultand, gloating at the fact that the sun's disappearance would leave him free to act).
Now, the novel is thick and I may not remember or never have noticed key passages. Just where in that book is the count active by day? -- Svartalf 21:59, 19 January 2006 (UTC)
Just made some changes:
changed the last sentence of the first paragraph to:
"much of the vampire's popularity in Western culture can be attributed to his novel, which spawned scores of theatrical and movie interpretations."
from :
"the novel's influence on the popularity of vampires cannot be overestimated, spawning scores of theatrical and movie interpretations."
the previous just sounded awkward, I didn't like the use of "overestimated", but some might not find it as awkward sounding as I did, so please change it back if it sounds better to you
Ok some Drac-buffs need to do work here:
(1) Separate the novel and films from the character. The character should include different portrayals of him and also comparison to Vlad III. Dracula (novel) Dracula (character)
(2) The best picture we have is of a postage stamp?
(3) A separate article on the castle, with renditions and possible candidates for the real Castle Dracula. Castle Dracula or Dracula's Castle
-- Codenamecuckoo 09:33, 17 April 2006 (UTC)
The section explaining the references in Vampire Hunter D referred to the series as manga and movie series. I simply changed it to book series because the movies are not a series in any form.
I am not the author of this section but I felt the articles NPOV suffered because of this section. I hope the author is not offended and I'm glad they are contributing to Wikipedia, but this seems much to 'fan-crufty' to be included. It also is of questionable validity-- The Wizard of Oz and the Gold Standard anyone?
I'm the original author, I'm not at all offended, and would like to suggest anyone who wishes to doso may condense, change, alter, or otherwise improve the contribution I made. Provided they doso critally and leave it better than they found it. -- Davou 22:03, 8 July 2006 (UTC)
It may not have been Stoker’s intent, but in light of contemporary global political turns, it can be argued that Dracula is a satire of capitalism and the social castes that led to it. Stoker often creates and exaggerates the then modern divide between the classes, and illustrates the rising middle class in his mainline characters and their interaction with secondary personae.
Bram Stoker seemed to be very deliberate in placing his characters smack center in the social spectrum. Van Helsing, Jonathan Harker, Mina Murray, Lucy Westenra, John Seward and Quincey Morris are all members of the rising middle class by either trade, birth or marriage. [While Dracula and Goldaming are both members of the now defunct and then dying upper class or bourgeois.] As Senf notes “Considering the importance of class in the nineteenth century […], it would be a mistake to ignore class when reading anything written in the nineteenth century” (Senf, 99). This includes when one reads into the characters present in such a story. “Nineteenth century preoccupation with class should motivate readers of any nineteenth-century work to examine class issues, Stoker’s novel is so obvious in its treatment of class.” (Senf, 99). The barefaced nature in which Stoker separates class and defines the divide in Dracula only serves to further accentuate the satirical nature in which Dracula would be read by a Marxist or neo-Marxist observer.
Dracula can be viewed as stokers Marxist attack in capitalist upper class citizens in Europe. “Recent Marxist critics have alighted on Dracula as illustrating what they see as inherent contradictions in capitalism” (Leatherdale, 216) those illustrations in particular being the nature of Dracula as a vampire (whose nature it is to thrive by causing others two falter. The bourgeois, like the vampire, strives only to the end of impoverishing the lower class of money (blood) and to placate the proletariat’s desire to rise against them; “They, therefore, endeavor, and that consistently, to deaden the class struggle and to reconcile the class antagonisms.” (Marx, 24) In essence Dracula is the archetypal capitalist exploiter” (Leatherdale, 216) and is similar to the Marxist bourgeois in the way that he returns continually to exploit the blood of his victims; “No sooner is the exploitation of the laborer by the manufacturer, so far at an end, that he receives his wages in cash, than he is set upon by the other portions of the bourgeoisie, the landlord, the shopkeeper, the pawnbroker, etc.” (Marx, 7). Stoker only strengthens these points when he makes reference to “The Czarina Catherine” in choosing a name for his ship; coincidence that the ship which carries Dracula (symbolic of capitalism and the bourgeois) away from England is named for a member of the monarchy that spawned one of the first, and most notorious Marxist revolutions?
The nature of Stokers satire is reverberated and gains strength in the way he is consistent with his opinion of the working class peoples. As Senf suggests, “In general, Stoker is condescending towards his working-class characters, presenting them as drunkards and cowards, occasionally even as thieves” (Senf, 105) and as a result, he establishes a stage for Dracula’s air of superiority, and an exposition of his ignorance regarding the nature of his own social position. For instance “While still in Transylvania Dracula ‘works’ as a coachman, a cook, a chambermaid, and a valet” (Senf, 106). and “In England Dracula adds another menial occupation to his resume of skills—That of laborer. […] The laborer who helps him unload the boxes of earth at Dracula’s estate at Piccadilly” (Senf, 107). in both instances Dracula’s likens himself to the lower class, in contradiction of the nature of his aristocratic position as ‘count’.
Finally one must take time to examine the nature of endings in the book. The time must be taken to notice it is significant that the the only American present was made to die. Ironic, how the nation that has become synonymous with capitalism today was represented in the book by a character who was unable to live. It can be assumed that this is representative of communist/neo-communist apathy towards capitalism. This apathy repeats itself in Dracula’s death, a most anti-climactic climax if there ever was one. Dracula falls limply from the protection of his box, and is slain by the quick and swift motion of a working class blade.
If stoker did not intend his work to be a Marxist satire on the capitalist bourgeoisie, and was instead truly a bigot against the lower class, it is the duty of the intellectual proletariat to interpret his work in such a way, and return it to the sphere of intellect, to demonstrate the efficient nature of the working class effort.
Sources Senf, Carol A. “The comedy of class: Blood Drunkenness, and Hard Work.” Dracula: BetweenTradition and modernism. London: Prentice Hall International, 1998 99- 113.
Leatherdale, Clive. “Dracula as Social and Political Commentary.” Dracula: The Novel and the Legend. Willingborough, Nothhamptonshire: The Aqaurian Press, 1985. 206-222
Marx, Engels, Karl, Frederic. "The Communist Manifesto." Pro. January 25, 2005. Project Guttenburg. 21 April 2006 < http://isis.library.adelaide.edu.au/pg/6/61/61.txt>.
(someone please review this section for grammar/spelling as they are not my strongest point.)
I've made a minor change to the Popular Culture section to correct a statement about Count Duckula. The Count is a creation of Cosgrove Hall, not Nickelodeon. He's a spin-off character from Dangermouse. Snowflake Sans Crainte 00:02, 28 May 2006 (UTC)
Disagree with tag suggesting to split the article into a dab page. There is a lot of context and discussion that would be lost that is currently in the article. I would consider creating a "Dracula in the arts" or "Dracula in popular culture" article, similar to Frankenstein in popular culture, and making this entirely a novel article -- Stbalbach 16:19, 1 August 2006 (UTC)
Please consider adding a link to the public domain, LibriVox recording of the book to this article: http://librivox.org/dracula-by-bram-stoker/
thistlechick 18:42, 1 August 2006 (UTC)
Regarding this entry:
I've removed entirely from the article as I think it is BS. -- Stbalbach 00:26, 6 August 2006 (UTC)
This page said nothing about the Romanian prince, Vlad Dracula, who Bram Stoker really based his novel on. The history channel just aired a special on Dracula and a short biography can be found at http://members.aol.com/johnfranc/drac05.htm.
Thanks!
When i first came upon this article - and this discuss page - i found myself troubled with the systematic doubt about the character basis of the count Dracula, and the several notations about the fact of Dracula possibly not being based on Vlad Tepes. So i went to read the novel again and found this on a Dracula dialogue on chapter 3: "Who was it but one of my own race who as Voivode crossed the Danube and beat the Turk on his own ground? This was a Dracula indeed! Woe was it that his own unworthy brother, when he had fallen, sold his people to the Turk and brought the shame of slavery on them!"
This, with some other phrases like this one - being this the most concise - and with the very detailed Count's portrait on chapter 2, make clear - at least to me - that the original inspiration for Count Dracula was, indeed, the Voivoda Drakulya, Vlad Tepes, and that Stoker has in fact made some research on him, the extent of such research being wide or narrow being a minor matter and unrelated to the fact of Stoker never having visited Transilvania by himself.--Mornatur Ormacil 22:47, 18 October 2006 (UTC)
I watched some film a few years back where it was STRONGLY implied that mehmed the second and a 12-14 year old Radu the Handsome were being gay together. in one scene radu was dressed in nothing but silk pants(a gayish reputation...) so were they really lovers.
"In 1914, two years after Stoker's death, Dracula's Guest was published. This was in fact the deleted first chapter from the original manuscript, which the publishers deemed unnecessary to the overall story." THis is tripe. Not even a cursory glance at the text can lead to such an error. Miller's work has shown this conclusively as well. Check out dracula sense and nonesense sometime. -- Jasonnolan 19:20, 9 October 2006 (UTC)
There are several reasons people confuse Dracula with Hungarians. First of all the article correctly points out that Stoker incorrectly called Dracula a Szekely and that group is only for Hungarians. Second, the most famous movie Dracula was played by Hungarian Bela Lugosi. Lugosi even inserted some Hungarian into the scripts. Last but not least, Hungarians ruled Transylvania for a thousand years. Inspite of everything above the real Dracula was a Romanian. We Hungarians get enough grief from George Soros so we dont need another Vampire.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by Belgrade Glendenning ( talk • contribs) .
Zoe, KQ, film buffs alert! There was no links on the page either to the Browning film or the Hammer films, because, amazingly there are no articles in the Wikipedia on any Dracula film except Abbott and Costello Meet Frankenstein!
Wasn't there a recent movie about the filming of the original Nosfertatu in which the actor playing the vampire actually was a vampire? Ortolan88
There are more than enough movies featuring Dracula to serve as the basis for a Wikipedia article entitled List of movies featuring Dracula, but would it be more efficient to do a List of vampire movies and include a special section for Dracula? -- Modemac 17:27, 24 Mar 2004 (UTC)
The reference to the IMDB search finding fourteen films with "Dracula" in the title was removed - an IMDB title search can't get more results than that anyway. All the sources I've checked give the number of Dracula-related films at 160 minimum, so I've included that number instead. - Sean Curtin 08:32, 10 Jun 2004 (UTC)
Can someone verify the value of the first edition of the book? Should we put the approx. value as part of the article? Leonida November 14th 2006
Wow, thought that the value would be a little higher than that; thanks for the info. Leonida November 15th 2006
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The article was recently promoted to GA, checks out for copyvio and neutrality. Earwig only picked up direct quotes. The photo is public domain, looks good and is in the article. Now that ALT1 has been edited, it is more accurate. The fact that Stoker was wrong does not mean about the word's meaning that it wasn't his inspiration, just that we should not make it appear like he was correct. However, I am approving ALT0 per the nominator's request, and because it has fewer points of contention. I added sources from the article since they should be included in the hook as well. QPQ is not needed since this is only the nominator's third nomination.
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