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Hi there. I'm planning to tackle this article as my next project. This is a very old article, and with a long history, and it’s been suffering from dust accumulation for many years now, by the looks of it. Some sections look better than others (Adaptations is surprisingly well-structured; Reception is a scattered mess). Plot will have to be trimmed, perhaps significantly. I'm just checking in to see if this page has any watchers. If you're interested to see the type of work I do, you can have a look at my last project, The Turn of the Screw. — ImaginesTigers ( talk) 16:09, 13 January 2021 (UTC)
Hey, Femme du Pays. If you want to have a look at my progress so far, you can find it on my Sandbox. It looks a little off right now, and I'll do the lead at the end, but this is going to be a long process. The article needs much more work than I thought :'( Any thoughts on structure would be great! I'm not entirely sure how everything should slot together yet, but that'll become more clear as I do more research and discover what's most discussed in modern criticism. — ImaginesTigers ( talk) 03:28, 18 January 2021 (UTC)
I'm about to start proper work on this article, moving material over from my Sandbox to the article itself. Some sections are just going to look incomplete at first, and there will be obvious omissions from the page. Bear with. This process shouldn't take more than a week, and I think we will have a much stronger article at the end of this process. Thank you! — ImaginesTigers ( talk) 19:29, 20 January 2021 (UTC)
The plot summary stated that "They [the men] ward [Lucy] back to her tomb, then stake her heart, behead her, and fill her mouth with garlic to keep Dracula from reviving her." (Ch. 16) In fact, the men held crucifixes and the Host to protect themselves from Lucy (Van Helsing leaps between Lucy and Arthur with his outstretched crucifix) and Van Helsing has actually used a special putty to keep Lucy *out* of her tomb; once she is unable to embrace Arthur, she turns back to her tomb but cannot re-enter it until Van Helsing removes some of this putty. So she is not driven back ("warded") to her tomb, but rather allowed to re-enter it when it is clear that is where she wants to go. If she had wanted to go anywhere else, the men had no ability to stop her.
Van Helsing states that the purpose of staking Lucy, beheading her, and filling her mouth with garlic is not to prevent Dracula from reviving her, but simply to "kill her in her sleep." (Seward's journal, 27 Sept, Ch. 15). The possibility of Dracula reviving her, or any other vampire, is never mentioned in the novel.
The vampire hunters prudently wait for the daytime before attempting to stake Lucy in her tomb. (Ch. 16) Femme du Pays ( talk) 20:46, 29 May 2021 (UTC)
Hi! If you've been keeping up with my progress on the Talk page, you'll know work started on Dracula around the beginning of the year, was interrupted by real-life, and has now reached a pretty major milestone: my changes have gone live! Here is a brief overview of my changes thus far; following is the steps required to get the article to a state where it could be nominated for FA.
Right now, this is what's jumping to mind. Open to any and all feedback you might have, and I hope the article's a good read for anyone interested in reading! — ImaginesTigers ( talk) 19:54, 13 June 2021 (UTC)
I'm not trying to make a fuss. I was just wondering if the adaptations section mentions plays multiple times, if we should add a play category. MagicatthemovieS ( talk)MagicatthemovieS
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First off, I should note that reaching GA is, IMO, a lot more difficult for an article on a significant topic like this about which much has been written. It demands some difficult editorial decisions around what information to include and what not to include, and identifying and summarizing the highest quality sources from a broad field. So the fact that this article is already close to GA status is an impressive feat. I particularly want to call out the introduction as being a wonderfully concise and effective summary, as well as the comprehensiveness of the citations.
I have one non-trivial concern wrt WP:GACR, plus a number of little nitpicks. Though I want to emphasize that none of these comments are intended to be the final word. If you disagree with any of these points (either on their substance, or their relevance to GACR), please say so. Hopefully we can talk it out and reach consensus. :)
My one significant concern is with the 'broad coverage' criterion. The last paragraph of the intro notes:
Dracula is regarded as one of the most significant pieces of English literature. Many of the book's characters have entered popular culture as archetypal versions of their characters; for example, Count Dracula as the quintessential vampire, and Abraham Van Helsing as an iconic vampire hunter. The novel, which is in the public domain, has been adapted for film over 30 times, and its characters continue to appear in a variety of other media.
This is definitely an important aspect of the topic, and I think the body needs to give a little more detail on it. The big unanswered questions I had after reading through the article were:
The novel, although reviewed well, did not make Stoker much money and did not cement his critical legacy until after his death.And here it's unclear to what degree this was due to low sales vs. unfavourable contract terms and/or the copyright issue.
Not saying you need to cover every question raised above - I realize we're limited to what can actually be found in RS, but I would be surprised if there wasn't significant RS discussion of at least some of these areas.
Some more low-level comments below:
A small group, led by Abraham Van Helsing, try to kill him.Our plot summary in the intro shouldn't leave the reader in suspense as to how the story ends.
In the past century, Dracula is situated as a piece of Gothic fiction.Tense feels a little weird to me. "has been situated" seems like it would be more natural.
Raymond McNally's Dracula Was A Woman suggests another historical figure as an inspiration: Elizabeth Báthory.Would be useful to know when this was written, since the section goes on to talk about it being questioned in "recent" scholarship.
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On the name, Stoker wrote: "Dracula in Wallachian language means devil. Wallachians were accustomed to give it as a surname to any person who rendered himself conspicuous by courage, cruel actions or cunning" (sic)Okay, I'll bite. Why the sic?
When Universal Studios purchased the rights to make a film version, it was discovered that Stoker had not fully complied with US copyright law, placing the novel into the public domain.When was this discovered?
The only thing I have yet to do is some citation checks - I'll try to do that shortly and update this if it results in any further suggestions. Colin M ( talk) 16:27, 8 July 2021 (UTC)
The British magazine Vanity Fair noted that the novel was, at times, unintentionally funny, pointing to Dracula's disdain for garlic.It certainly suggests that the garlic trope may have been novel (which is why I used it as an example), but it could be that it was an existing trope which was simply not well known at the time, or that the particular way that Dracula's aversion to garlic manifests in the book is unintentionally funny (rather than the aversion per se). But your larger point about (lack of) RS support for this line of inquiry is well taken. Colin M ( talk) 20:51, 8 July 2021 (UTC)
"Teaser"-style or incomplete plot descriptions (e.g. ending a plot description with "In the end the family makes a shocking discovery…") should not be used.To me, the summary in the intro falls squarely in this category, as it so strongly provokes the reader to wonder whether they succeeded in their attempt to kill him. I don't see an issue with the alternative wording you mentioned, except maybe on an aesthetic level, though I'm sure there are other ways to communicate the same idea. e.g. "In the end, Dracula is killed by a small group led by Abraham Van Helsing." Colin M ( talk) 20:44, 8 July 2021 (UTC)
I found a few quotes that I felt helped resolve some of the questions I raised above about the trajectory of Dracula's ascendance into the cultural canon and its place within the larger context of the vampire myth and vampire fiction.
From the preface of Browning:
It became the benchmark after which later vampire narratives were patterned. This development, however, was not immediately realized until the 1920s. While Stoker’s novel successfully established such vampiric tropes as tombs or “coffins” (although Dracula journeyed to England with “crates” or boxes, not coffins), and firmly cemented the vampire’s metamorphosis into a bat, the real impact (which we shall discuss at length momentarily) occurred, initially, with the Hamilton Deane (1924) and Hamilton Deane–John L. Balderston (1927) stage versions, then, more prominently, with the Universal (1931) and Hammer (1958) film versions.
There are also a couple of small breadcrumbs in the foreword: Bram Stoker died in 1912, before Dracula became popular
, and Ironically, this copyright technicality can be credited with allowing the Dracula character to proliferate to all corners of the world
.
Miller has lots of stuff about prior vampire fiction (around pg. 147), and about how it shaped subsequent depictions ("So powerful has been the impact of Stoker's novel that his prescriptions concerning the strengths and limitations of vampires have shaped common knowledge of the legendary creature"). pg. 157 for example talks about it originating the literary association of vampires with bats.
As you said, it seems there's not much info about commercial performance of the book, but Bram Stoker: A Literary Life at least specifies that the initial printing was 3,000 copies (and it seems other sources repeat this figure).
David J. Skal's Hollywood Gothic says Dracula sold steadily but did not make Stoker a wealthy man[...] Stroker wrote several more books, but none achieved the success of Dracula
.
Not suggesting you need to use these particular sources/quotes, but I put them forth as tentative evidence that there is some RS discussion of some of the items I raised at the start. Colin M ( talk) 00:15, 9 July 2021 (UTC)
@ ImaginesTigers: If this is getting difficult to address, I'd love to help. The article feels nearly ready for FA status as is. Horsesizedduck ( talk) 22:19, 11 July 2021 (UTC)
It's good!
It's a rare treat to come across such a well-developed article as a reviewer, because it makes my job very easy. The newly expanded "Legacy" section is great, and I'm satisfied that the few GACR-relevant issues raised above have been addressed. Congrats, and good luck on the road to FA status!
Colin M (
talk) 16:16, 12 July 2021 (UTC)
The result was: promoted by
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The article was recently promoted to GA, checks out for copyvio and neutrality. Earwig only picked up direct quotes. The photo is public domain, looks good and is in the article. Now that ALT1 has been edited, it is more accurate. The fact that Stoker was wrong does not mean about the word's meaning that it wasn't his inspiration, just that we should not make it appear like he was correct. However, I am approving ALT0 per the nominator's request, and because it has fewer points of contention. I added sources from the article since they should be included in the hook as well. QPQ is not needed since this is only the nominator's third nomination.
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Is the themes section representative of modern scholarship? Or is it just a band of select individuals who view it that way, inspired by today's trends and fads?. StairySky ( talk) 16:09, 22 October 2021 (UTC)
Re: "Abraham Van Helsing as an iconic vampire hunter."
All of the previous work on this article about Stoker's novel's use of competing time zones and calendars (Julian calendar, Gregorian calendar, Greenwich Mean Time, the universal day) seem to have disappeared. There's a brief mention of Franco Moretti but all of the progress scholarship has disappeared leaving only a few critical pieces. See for example https://econundead.com/excerpts/killing-time-dracula-and-social-discoordination/ in Glen Whitman and James Dow (eds), Economics of the Undead: Zombies, Vampires and the Dismal Science (Plymouth: Rowman & Littlefield, 2014) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 130.157.157.12 ( talk) 18:13, 14 February 2022 (UTC)
This major theme also seems to have disappeared altogether. 130.157.157.12 ( talk) 18:16, 14 February 2022 (UTC)
I wonder if the recent trend of reading this book chronologically via the "Dracula Daily" newsletter is worth a mention? Maybe somewhere in the "Legacy" section?
https://www.polygon.com/23063882/dracula-daily-tumblr-memes 159.153.90.1 ( talk) 19:52, 18 July 2022 (UTC)
The discussion under “Influences” of whether Dracula is Vlad the Impaler is silly. 1. a. Vlad the Impaler was called Dracula. b. the Count in the novel is called Dracula. This should be a clue. 2. a. Our article on Vlad says, “Vlad Dracula … 1428/31 – 1476/77… was Voivode of Wallachia”; “He invaded the Ottoman [Turkish] Empire, devastating the villages along the Danube.” b. Stoker has a character say, “He must, indeed, have been that Voivode Dracula who won his name against the Turk, over the great river on the very frontier of Turkey-land.” The article on the novel makes the identification of Dracula with Dracula sound like a tenuous theory rather than the obvious truth. Obugov ( talk) 00:29, 22 October 2022 (UTC)
I have removed the "Dracula the Un-Dead" and "Dracul" books from the "Universe" section. They are no different then Anno Dracula or the Book of Renfield. They were not authored directly by Stoker and are already listed under the other literature section. Grinhelm ( talk) 20:18, 10 November 2022 (UTC)
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Hi! I think under or at the end of the "Reception" subsection, a further update could be included that references John Edgar Browning's newest research on Dracula's review history (his prior research is cited heavily already). Browning recently co-edited, with David J. Skal, the second Norton Critical Edition of Dracula, which includes a chapter by Browning on on the novel's critical reception. See the following: https://www.academia.edu/50947406/_Draculas_Critical_Reception_Myth_and_Reality_in_Dracula_Norton_Critical_Editions_ed_John_Edgar_Browning_and_David_J_Skal 76.105.100.87 ( talk) 01:34, 8 December 2022 (UTC)
The overview section includes an entire synopsis of the plot. Is this not what the Plot section is for? SalTheBear ( talk) 22:05, 16 November 2023 (UTC)
It has no single protagonist and opens with solicitor Jonathan Harker taking a business trip to stay at the castle of a Transylvanian nobleman, Count Dracula. Harker escapes the castle after discovering that Dracula is a vampire, and the Count moves to England and plagues the seaside town of Whitby. A small group, led by Abraham Van Helsing, investigate, hunt and kill Dracula."Are you talking about these sentences, in the first paragraph? That is a perfectly reasonable capsule summary for a lead. ♠ PMC♠ (talk) 22:43, 16 November 2023 (UTC)
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Hi there. I'm planning to tackle this article as my next project. This is a very old article, and with a long history, and it’s been suffering from dust accumulation for many years now, by the looks of it. Some sections look better than others (Adaptations is surprisingly well-structured; Reception is a scattered mess). Plot will have to be trimmed, perhaps significantly. I'm just checking in to see if this page has any watchers. If you're interested to see the type of work I do, you can have a look at my last project, The Turn of the Screw. — ImaginesTigers ( talk) 16:09, 13 January 2021 (UTC)
Hey, Femme du Pays. If you want to have a look at my progress so far, you can find it on my Sandbox. It looks a little off right now, and I'll do the lead at the end, but this is going to be a long process. The article needs much more work than I thought :'( Any thoughts on structure would be great! I'm not entirely sure how everything should slot together yet, but that'll become more clear as I do more research and discover what's most discussed in modern criticism. — ImaginesTigers ( talk) 03:28, 18 January 2021 (UTC)
I'm about to start proper work on this article, moving material over from my Sandbox to the article itself. Some sections are just going to look incomplete at first, and there will be obvious omissions from the page. Bear with. This process shouldn't take more than a week, and I think we will have a much stronger article at the end of this process. Thank you! — ImaginesTigers ( talk) 19:29, 20 January 2021 (UTC)
The plot summary stated that "They [the men] ward [Lucy] back to her tomb, then stake her heart, behead her, and fill her mouth with garlic to keep Dracula from reviving her." (Ch. 16) In fact, the men held crucifixes and the Host to protect themselves from Lucy (Van Helsing leaps between Lucy and Arthur with his outstretched crucifix) and Van Helsing has actually used a special putty to keep Lucy *out* of her tomb; once she is unable to embrace Arthur, she turns back to her tomb but cannot re-enter it until Van Helsing removes some of this putty. So she is not driven back ("warded") to her tomb, but rather allowed to re-enter it when it is clear that is where she wants to go. If she had wanted to go anywhere else, the men had no ability to stop her.
Van Helsing states that the purpose of staking Lucy, beheading her, and filling her mouth with garlic is not to prevent Dracula from reviving her, but simply to "kill her in her sleep." (Seward's journal, 27 Sept, Ch. 15). The possibility of Dracula reviving her, or any other vampire, is never mentioned in the novel.
The vampire hunters prudently wait for the daytime before attempting to stake Lucy in her tomb. (Ch. 16) Femme du Pays ( talk) 20:46, 29 May 2021 (UTC)
Hi! If you've been keeping up with my progress on the Talk page, you'll know work started on Dracula around the beginning of the year, was interrupted by real-life, and has now reached a pretty major milestone: my changes have gone live! Here is a brief overview of my changes thus far; following is the steps required to get the article to a state where it could be nominated for FA.
Right now, this is what's jumping to mind. Open to any and all feedback you might have, and I hope the article's a good read for anyone interested in reading! — ImaginesTigers ( talk) 19:54, 13 June 2021 (UTC)
I'm not trying to make a fuss. I was just wondering if the adaptations section mentions plays multiple times, if we should add a play category. MagicatthemovieS ( talk)MagicatthemovieS
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(Still working on writing up my comments - should be ready soon.)
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First off, I should note that reaching GA is, IMO, a lot more difficult for an article on a significant topic like this about which much has been written. It demands some difficult editorial decisions around what information to include and what not to include, and identifying and summarizing the highest quality sources from a broad field. So the fact that this article is already close to GA status is an impressive feat. I particularly want to call out the introduction as being a wonderfully concise and effective summary, as well as the comprehensiveness of the citations.
I have one non-trivial concern wrt WP:GACR, plus a number of little nitpicks. Though I want to emphasize that none of these comments are intended to be the final word. If you disagree with any of these points (either on their substance, or their relevance to GACR), please say so. Hopefully we can talk it out and reach consensus. :)
My one significant concern is with the 'broad coverage' criterion. The last paragraph of the intro notes:
Dracula is regarded as one of the most significant pieces of English literature. Many of the book's characters have entered popular culture as archetypal versions of their characters; for example, Count Dracula as the quintessential vampire, and Abraham Van Helsing as an iconic vampire hunter. The novel, which is in the public domain, has been adapted for film over 30 times, and its characters continue to appear in a variety of other media.
This is definitely an important aspect of the topic, and I think the body needs to give a little more detail on it. The big unanswered questions I had after reading through the article were:
The novel, although reviewed well, did not make Stoker much money and did not cement his critical legacy until after his death.And here it's unclear to what degree this was due to low sales vs. unfavourable contract terms and/or the copyright issue.
Not saying you need to cover every question raised above - I realize we're limited to what can actually be found in RS, but I would be surprised if there wasn't significant RS discussion of at least some of these areas.
Some more low-level comments below:
A small group, led by Abraham Van Helsing, try to kill him.Our plot summary in the intro shouldn't leave the reader in suspense as to how the story ends.
In the past century, Dracula is situated as a piece of Gothic fiction.Tense feels a little weird to me. "has been situated" seems like it would be more natural.
Raymond McNally's Dracula Was A Woman suggests another historical figure as an inspiration: Elizabeth Báthory.Would be useful to know when this was written, since the section goes on to talk about it being questioned in "recent" scholarship.
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On the name, Stoker wrote: "Dracula in Wallachian language means devil. Wallachians were accustomed to give it as a surname to any person who rendered himself conspicuous by courage, cruel actions or cunning" (sic)Okay, I'll bite. Why the sic?
When Universal Studios purchased the rights to make a film version, it was discovered that Stoker had not fully complied with US copyright law, placing the novel into the public domain.When was this discovered?
The only thing I have yet to do is some citation checks - I'll try to do that shortly and update this if it results in any further suggestions. Colin M ( talk) 16:27, 8 July 2021 (UTC)
The British magazine Vanity Fair noted that the novel was, at times, unintentionally funny, pointing to Dracula's disdain for garlic.It certainly suggests that the garlic trope may have been novel (which is why I used it as an example), but it could be that it was an existing trope which was simply not well known at the time, or that the particular way that Dracula's aversion to garlic manifests in the book is unintentionally funny (rather than the aversion per se). But your larger point about (lack of) RS support for this line of inquiry is well taken. Colin M ( talk) 20:51, 8 July 2021 (UTC)
"Teaser"-style or incomplete plot descriptions (e.g. ending a plot description with "In the end the family makes a shocking discovery…") should not be used.To me, the summary in the intro falls squarely in this category, as it so strongly provokes the reader to wonder whether they succeeded in their attempt to kill him. I don't see an issue with the alternative wording you mentioned, except maybe on an aesthetic level, though I'm sure there are other ways to communicate the same idea. e.g. "In the end, Dracula is killed by a small group led by Abraham Van Helsing." Colin M ( talk) 20:44, 8 July 2021 (UTC)
I found a few quotes that I felt helped resolve some of the questions I raised above about the trajectory of Dracula's ascendance into the cultural canon and its place within the larger context of the vampire myth and vampire fiction.
From the preface of Browning:
It became the benchmark after which later vampire narratives were patterned. This development, however, was not immediately realized until the 1920s. While Stoker’s novel successfully established such vampiric tropes as tombs or “coffins” (although Dracula journeyed to England with “crates” or boxes, not coffins), and firmly cemented the vampire’s metamorphosis into a bat, the real impact (which we shall discuss at length momentarily) occurred, initially, with the Hamilton Deane (1924) and Hamilton Deane–John L. Balderston (1927) stage versions, then, more prominently, with the Universal (1931) and Hammer (1958) film versions.
There are also a couple of small breadcrumbs in the foreword: Bram Stoker died in 1912, before Dracula became popular
, and Ironically, this copyright technicality can be credited with allowing the Dracula character to proliferate to all corners of the world
.
Miller has lots of stuff about prior vampire fiction (around pg. 147), and about how it shaped subsequent depictions ("So powerful has been the impact of Stoker's novel that his prescriptions concerning the strengths and limitations of vampires have shaped common knowledge of the legendary creature"). pg. 157 for example talks about it originating the literary association of vampires with bats.
As you said, it seems there's not much info about commercial performance of the book, but Bram Stoker: A Literary Life at least specifies that the initial printing was 3,000 copies (and it seems other sources repeat this figure).
David J. Skal's Hollywood Gothic says Dracula sold steadily but did not make Stoker a wealthy man[...] Stroker wrote several more books, but none achieved the success of Dracula
.
Not suggesting you need to use these particular sources/quotes, but I put them forth as tentative evidence that there is some RS discussion of some of the items I raised at the start. Colin M ( talk) 00:15, 9 July 2021 (UTC)
@ ImaginesTigers: If this is getting difficult to address, I'd love to help. The article feels nearly ready for FA status as is. Horsesizedduck ( talk) 22:19, 11 July 2021 (UTC)
It's good!
It's a rare treat to come across such a well-developed article as a reviewer, because it makes my job very easy. The newly expanded "Legacy" section is great, and I'm satisfied that the few GACR-relevant issues raised above have been addressed. Congrats, and good luck on the road to FA status!
Colin M (
talk) 16:16, 12 July 2021 (UTC)
The result was: promoted by
Desertarun (
talk) 07:25, 1 August 2021 (UTC)
Created by ImaginesTigers ( talk). Self-nominated at 16:13, 14 July 2021 (UTC).
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QPQ: Done. |
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The article was recently promoted to GA, checks out for copyvio and neutrality. Earwig only picked up direct quotes. The photo is public domain, looks good and is in the article. Now that ALT1 has been edited, it is more accurate. The fact that Stoker was wrong does not mean about the word's meaning that it wasn't his inspiration, just that we should not make it appear like he was correct. However, I am approving ALT0 per the nominator's request, and because it has fewer points of contention. I added sources from the article since they should be included in the hook as well. QPQ is not needed since this is only the nominator's third nomination.
BuySomeApples (
talk) 22:41, 27 July 2021 (UTC)
Is the themes section representative of modern scholarship? Or is it just a band of select individuals who view it that way, inspired by today's trends and fads?. StairySky ( talk) 16:09, 22 October 2021 (UTC)
Re: "Abraham Van Helsing as an iconic vampire hunter."
All of the previous work on this article about Stoker's novel's use of competing time zones and calendars (Julian calendar, Gregorian calendar, Greenwich Mean Time, the universal day) seem to have disappeared. There's a brief mention of Franco Moretti but all of the progress scholarship has disappeared leaving only a few critical pieces. See for example https://econundead.com/excerpts/killing-time-dracula-and-social-discoordination/ in Glen Whitman and James Dow (eds), Economics of the Undead: Zombies, Vampires and the Dismal Science (Plymouth: Rowman & Littlefield, 2014) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 130.157.157.12 ( talk) 18:13, 14 February 2022 (UTC)
This major theme also seems to have disappeared altogether. 130.157.157.12 ( talk) 18:16, 14 February 2022 (UTC)
I wonder if the recent trend of reading this book chronologically via the "Dracula Daily" newsletter is worth a mention? Maybe somewhere in the "Legacy" section?
https://www.polygon.com/23063882/dracula-daily-tumblr-memes 159.153.90.1 ( talk) 19:52, 18 July 2022 (UTC)
The discussion under “Influences” of whether Dracula is Vlad the Impaler is silly. 1. a. Vlad the Impaler was called Dracula. b. the Count in the novel is called Dracula. This should be a clue. 2. a. Our article on Vlad says, “Vlad Dracula … 1428/31 – 1476/77… was Voivode of Wallachia”; “He invaded the Ottoman [Turkish] Empire, devastating the villages along the Danube.” b. Stoker has a character say, “He must, indeed, have been that Voivode Dracula who won his name against the Turk, over the great river on the very frontier of Turkey-land.” The article on the novel makes the identification of Dracula with Dracula sound like a tenuous theory rather than the obvious truth. Obugov ( talk) 00:29, 22 October 2022 (UTC)
I have removed the "Dracula the Un-Dead" and "Dracul" books from the "Universe" section. They are no different then Anno Dracula or the Book of Renfield. They were not authored directly by Stoker and are already listed under the other literature section. Grinhelm ( talk) 20:18, 10 November 2022 (UTC)
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Hi! I think under or at the end of the "Reception" subsection, a further update could be included that references John Edgar Browning's newest research on Dracula's review history (his prior research is cited heavily already). Browning recently co-edited, with David J. Skal, the second Norton Critical Edition of Dracula, which includes a chapter by Browning on on the novel's critical reception. See the following: https://www.academia.edu/50947406/_Draculas_Critical_Reception_Myth_and_Reality_in_Dracula_Norton_Critical_Editions_ed_John_Edgar_Browning_and_David_J_Skal 76.105.100.87 ( talk) 01:34, 8 December 2022 (UTC)
The overview section includes an entire synopsis of the plot. Is this not what the Plot section is for? SalTheBear ( talk) 22:05, 16 November 2023 (UTC)
It has no single protagonist and opens with solicitor Jonathan Harker taking a business trip to stay at the castle of a Transylvanian nobleman, Count Dracula. Harker escapes the castle after discovering that Dracula is a vampire, and the Count moves to England and plagues the seaside town of Whitby. A small group, led by Abraham Van Helsing, investigate, hunt and kill Dracula."Are you talking about these sentences, in the first paragraph? That is a perfectly reasonable capsule summary for a lead. ♠ PMC♠ (talk) 22:43, 16 November 2023 (UTC)