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From advice here Wikipedia:FICT#Summary_style_approach_for_spinout_articles:
- "A spinout article on a single character or element that lacks sources of real-world coverage may be appropriate... "
- "Spinout articles should be judged as if it were still a section of the parent article, and identified in the lead section as an article covering elements within a fictional work"
As noted in the lead, this character is the only supporting character to appear in all three movies, the television series, and theme park ride. He is notable to the entire fictional universe, not just one episode. This information could not be merged back to any one source article, and having a singular article allows expansion of the character that would be missed otherwise. For these reasons I will be removing the lack of notability template. Miami33139 ( talk) 21:29, 2 April 2008 (UTC)
- I see you removed the tag. I don't agree with your liberal interpretation of WP:FICT, which also says: "Articles on singular fictional elements lacking sources describing real-world coverage may be contested by other editors as they create undue weight on a non-notable aspect of a work and may be seen as excessive plot details; more often, the contents of such an articles can be included into some grouping ("Characters", "Setting", or the like) within a spinout article list of the notable parent topic." That's exactly what's happening here: Silberman is a minor character who experiences very little character development, so there is not much to say about him other than regurgitating plot details of the few scenes in which he appeared -- and the plots are already summarized in each respective Terminator article. I don't see any special reason a minor character like this needs an article to detail everything he does; in short I just don't see the point of this article. Regardless, Wikipedia's guidelines on spinoff articles are themselves being debated, so I'm not going to edit war over it. Fritter ( talk) 07:54, 13 April 2008 (UTC)
Apparently Miami33139 ( talk · contribs) doesn't understand the maintenance tags applied to the page, so I'll elabourate.
- {{ notability}} — The article does have any evidence of having received significant coverage in reliable secondary sources that are independent of the subject.
- {{ primary sources}} — The article needs sources or references that appear in reliable, third-party publications.
- {{ plot}} — The article consists wholly of WP:PLOT; see WP:WAF.
— pd_THOR | =/\= | 22:21, 12 November 2008 (UTC)
I propose merging this article and other minor characters from this series such as Derek Reese, Catherine Weaver, Cromartie (Terminator), Kate Brewster, Miles Bennett Dyson] to a new List of characters in the Terminator series. None of these characters are particularly notable but they could be all merged into one article. George Pelltier ( talk) 03:07, 24 May 2009 (UTC)
- Catherine Weaver is already a redirect to T-1000#Television. Several of the other articles have sources indicating notability; for example, Dr. Silberman has a reference from the Psychiatric Bulletin about how the character's portrayal reflects stereotypes about and fears of psychiatry. Others, such as Derek Reese, have no out-of-universe content at all (the tags which have been added are completely appropriate, and I hope that regular editors of that page will act on them and improve the article). These need to be considered on a case-by-case basis. — Josiah Rowe ( talk • contribs)
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From advice here Wikipedia:FICT#Summary_style_approach_for_spinout_articles:
- "A spinout article on a single character or element that lacks sources of real-world coverage may be appropriate... "
- "Spinout articles should be judged as if it were still a section of the parent article, and identified in the lead section as an article covering elements within a fictional work"
As noted in the lead, this character is the only supporting character to appear in all three movies, the television series, and theme park ride. He is notable to the entire fictional universe, not just one episode. This information could not be merged back to any one source article, and having a singular article allows expansion of the character that would be missed otherwise. For these reasons I will be removing the lack of notability template. Miami33139 ( talk) 21:29, 2 April 2008 (UTC)
- I see you removed the tag. I don't agree with your liberal interpretation of WP:FICT, which also says: "Articles on singular fictional elements lacking sources describing real-world coverage may be contested by other editors as they create undue weight on a non-notable aspect of a work and may be seen as excessive plot details; more often, the contents of such an articles can be included into some grouping ("Characters", "Setting", or the like) within a spinout article list of the notable parent topic." That's exactly what's happening here: Silberman is a minor character who experiences very little character development, so there is not much to say about him other than regurgitating plot details of the few scenes in which he appeared -- and the plots are already summarized in each respective Terminator article. I don't see any special reason a minor character like this needs an article to detail everything he does; in short I just don't see the point of this article. Regardless, Wikipedia's guidelines on spinoff articles are themselves being debated, so I'm not going to edit war over it. Fritter ( talk) 07:54, 13 April 2008 (UTC)
Apparently Miami33139 ( talk · contribs) doesn't understand the maintenance tags applied to the page, so I'll elabourate.
- {{ notability}} — The article does have any evidence of having received significant coverage in reliable secondary sources that are independent of the subject.
- {{ primary sources}} — The article needs sources or references that appear in reliable, third-party publications.
- {{ plot}} — The article consists wholly of WP:PLOT; see WP:WAF.
— pd_THOR | =/\= | 22:21, 12 November 2008 (UTC)
I propose merging this article and other minor characters from this series such as Derek Reese, Catherine Weaver, Cromartie (Terminator), Kate Brewster, Miles Bennett Dyson] to a new List of characters in the Terminator series. None of these characters are particularly notable but they could be all merged into one article. George Pelltier ( talk) 03:07, 24 May 2009 (UTC)
- Catherine Weaver is already a redirect to T-1000#Television. Several of the other articles have sources indicating notability; for example, Dr. Silberman has a reference from the Psychiatric Bulletin about how the character's portrayal reflects stereotypes about and fears of psychiatry. Others, such as Derek Reese, have no out-of-universe content at all (the tags which have been added are completely appropriate, and I hope that regular editors of that page will act on them and improve the article). These need to be considered on a case-by-case basis. — Josiah Rowe ( talk • contribs)