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We currently have two lists of "popular" WADs, given with external links. There are two problems here: "popular" is vague, and mere lists of external links are discouraged. Instead of the list of links format, we should make a list of important WADs along with one or two paragraphs of text for each describing them, preferrably motivating why they are special.
Now, how to determine importance? Popularity is nearly impossible to measure, so some kind of additional justification of substantiality is required. Megawads and TCs aren't that controversial, but in general I think both uniqueness historical significance is required. If necessary, it could be pointed out in the article text that it is difficult to decide which ones are important, and provide a hint that there are other lists out there, which are to be provided in the external links section. This should be OK; for comparison check jazz standard, that article has the same problem.
I would consider the following megawads and TCs to be worthy of inclusion:
Now, single-level WADs are a bit harder. There are way too many WADs to even try a listing based on which are considered "good" without either listing too many (possibly a thousand) or violating NPOV in being selective. "Popular" can't really be measured (I did refer to popularity in some of the motivations for megawads, but those are IMO much less controversial). There are plenty of opinions on which WADs are good, but no professional or outstandingly significant reviewers around whose authority can be referred to. Doomworld's 100 top 100 WADs may be considered somewhat authorative, but 100 is way too many to list here.
What we can do, however, is list WADs which are of historical significance. SargeBaldy suggested UAC_DEAD.WAD on IRC, which I'd agree about. What others are there? Well, the Harris levels. That's two. Can we make a list of some 10 particularly important non-megawad/TC WADs about which something interesting can be written? What about infamous WADs? The Sky May Be, Nuts.wad? (For The Sky May Be, the Something Awful review would be justification ;) Suggestions, please.
Links to external lists of WADs: there are of course too many "Bob's list of the 10 top WADs!!!" lists. We should definitely link to Doomworld's list, though. What others may be considered authorative (in some sense of the word)?
- Fredrik | talk 23:58, 5 Dec 2004 (UTC)
- Skari u how | talk 18:43, 25 Jul 2014 (AEST
In addition to the above, things that should be mentioned in this article are:
- Fredrik | talk 00:03, 6 Dec 2004 (UTC)
I was thinking about porting over the technical stuff on the Doom Wiki over to here under it's own section. Good idea? -- TheDarkArchon 19:50, 31 December 2005 (UTC)
Can I add Myhouse and talk about it's connection to house of leaves? I think it's worthy for the connections and popularity, as well as the high quality modding and story telling. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Brutalisk666 ( talk • contribs) 17:08, 12 February 2024 (UTC)
At the moment, the list of WADs is exactly not what we need; a directory of external links ( WP:NOT) with no verification ( WP:V) and very few with assertions of notability ( WP:N). Some such as the Aliens TC are bound to have some reliable, independent coverage somewhere, but otherwise the list should be stripped. Marasmusine ( talk) 08:14, 29 December 2007 (UTC)
I've made a start on some references. The embedded external links should be removed, too. Marasmusine ( talk) 09:00, 6 April 2008 (UTC)
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I edited the following this: 1) id never allowed add-ons for money, regardless of profit (it was stating otherwise; it seems some people incorrectly concluded that because the CD WAD compilations existed, id really allowed them in some way), 2) the definition of total conversion was not properly contextualized, 3) HacX, which used to have an article but doesn't anymore (as it's comparatively non-notable as a commercial release and game) is a TC, so it's on the list now, so other articles linking to HacX can now go to the list here, 4) Freedoom is not a TC because its essential purpose is functional instead of "thematic" (to create a free Doom, not to create a "new experience") and it does not alter behavior in any way (to allow full compatibility), so I moved it to miscellaneous, where it makes more sense. Who is like God? ( talk) 11:50, 7 May 2008 (UTC)
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I put this on the main Doom discussion page but then I saw this entry for WADs themselves and thought this would fit here as well.
I was watching the DOOM post mortem on GDC ( http://www.gdcvault.com/play/1014627/Classic-Game-Postmortem) by Tom Hall and John Romero and Tom Hall specifically states (about 5 minutes into the presentation) that the "where's all the data" definition was after the fact and that really the name came about when the team was defining file structures and John Carmack asked for an extension for "a bunch of lumps". Hall said he thought for a moment and said, "A wad?" and the name was used.
So what I'm wondering is if the current text in the beginning of the article which says "WAD" is "an acronym for Where is All the Data" should be changed. Not that that isn't true, but it seems to mean that the extension came from that phrase when in reality the phrase came from the extension.
-madpanic —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.17.18.23 ( talk) 15:53, 10 April 2011 (UTC)
The cite given for WAD meaning where's all the data is not a good cite. Look at the other definitions there and there are many that are simply humorous. I'm not saying that's not what WAD means, but if it does, you need a much better source, as this is like taking a comedian's word that PETA stands for People Eating Tasty Animals. 68.51.193.141 ( talk) 19:12, 11 April 2015 (UTC)
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The result of the move request was: consensus to move the page to Doom modding at this time, per the discussion below. Dekimasu よ! 11:58, 9 January 2020 (UTC)
Doom WAD → Modding in Doom – Per consistency with Modding in Grand Theft Auto and a title that people can actually understand, as for the unintiated, "Doom WAD" sounds like nonsense. Doom WADs are, essentially, just mods. ZXCVBNM ( TALK) 04:01, 7 December 2019 (UTC) —Relisting. Steel1943 ( talk) 17:41, 30 December 2019 (UTC)
I think we should add Brutal Doom to the list of selected WADs, since it's one of the most popular Doom mods out there, it already has it's own page, and it's mentioned in the Doom series template. HaveYouHeardAboutTheBird ( talk) 17:44, 28 April 2023 (UTC)
I made a change to MyHouse.wad's section, and marked it as a minor edit by accident. It's not a minor edit. MarinaTheRanger ( talk) 13:14, 21 February 2024 (UTC)
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We currently have two lists of "popular" WADs, given with external links. There are two problems here: "popular" is vague, and mere lists of external links are discouraged. Instead of the list of links format, we should make a list of important WADs along with one or two paragraphs of text for each describing them, preferrably motivating why they are special.
Now, how to determine importance? Popularity is nearly impossible to measure, so some kind of additional justification of substantiality is required. Megawads and TCs aren't that controversial, but in general I think both uniqueness historical significance is required. If necessary, it could be pointed out in the article text that it is difficult to decide which ones are important, and provide a hint that there are other lists out there, which are to be provided in the external links section. This should be OK; for comparison check jazz standard, that article has the same problem.
I would consider the following megawads and TCs to be worthy of inclusion:
Now, single-level WADs are a bit harder. There are way too many WADs to even try a listing based on which are considered "good" without either listing too many (possibly a thousand) or violating NPOV in being selective. "Popular" can't really be measured (I did refer to popularity in some of the motivations for megawads, but those are IMO much less controversial). There are plenty of opinions on which WADs are good, but no professional or outstandingly significant reviewers around whose authority can be referred to. Doomworld's 100 top 100 WADs may be considered somewhat authorative, but 100 is way too many to list here.
What we can do, however, is list WADs which are of historical significance. SargeBaldy suggested UAC_DEAD.WAD on IRC, which I'd agree about. What others are there? Well, the Harris levels. That's two. Can we make a list of some 10 particularly important non-megawad/TC WADs about which something interesting can be written? What about infamous WADs? The Sky May Be, Nuts.wad? (For The Sky May Be, the Something Awful review would be justification ;) Suggestions, please.
Links to external lists of WADs: there are of course too many "Bob's list of the 10 top WADs!!!" lists. We should definitely link to Doomworld's list, though. What others may be considered authorative (in some sense of the word)?
- Fredrik | talk 23:58, 5 Dec 2004 (UTC)
- Skari u how | talk 18:43, 25 Jul 2014 (AEST
In addition to the above, things that should be mentioned in this article are:
- Fredrik | talk 00:03, 6 Dec 2004 (UTC)
I was thinking about porting over the technical stuff on the Doom Wiki over to here under it's own section. Good idea? -- TheDarkArchon 19:50, 31 December 2005 (UTC)
Can I add Myhouse and talk about it's connection to house of leaves? I think it's worthy for the connections and popularity, as well as the high quality modding and story telling. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Brutalisk666 ( talk • contribs) 17:08, 12 February 2024 (UTC)
At the moment, the list of WADs is exactly not what we need; a directory of external links ( WP:NOT) with no verification ( WP:V) and very few with assertions of notability ( WP:N). Some such as the Aliens TC are bound to have some reliable, independent coverage somewhere, but otherwise the list should be stripped. Marasmusine ( talk) 08:14, 29 December 2007 (UTC)
I've made a start on some references. The embedded external links should be removed, too. Marasmusine ( talk) 09:00, 6 April 2008 (UTC)
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I edited the following this: 1) id never allowed add-ons for money, regardless of profit (it was stating otherwise; it seems some people incorrectly concluded that because the CD WAD compilations existed, id really allowed them in some way), 2) the definition of total conversion was not properly contextualized, 3) HacX, which used to have an article but doesn't anymore (as it's comparatively non-notable as a commercial release and game) is a TC, so it's on the list now, so other articles linking to HacX can now go to the list here, 4) Freedoom is not a TC because its essential purpose is functional instead of "thematic" (to create a free Doom, not to create a "new experience") and it does not alter behavior in any way (to allow full compatibility), so I moved it to miscellaneous, where it makes more sense. Who is like God? ( talk) 11:50, 7 May 2008 (UTC)
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I put this on the main Doom discussion page but then I saw this entry for WADs themselves and thought this would fit here as well.
I was watching the DOOM post mortem on GDC ( http://www.gdcvault.com/play/1014627/Classic-Game-Postmortem) by Tom Hall and John Romero and Tom Hall specifically states (about 5 minutes into the presentation) that the "where's all the data" definition was after the fact and that really the name came about when the team was defining file structures and John Carmack asked for an extension for "a bunch of lumps". Hall said he thought for a moment and said, "A wad?" and the name was used.
So what I'm wondering is if the current text in the beginning of the article which says "WAD" is "an acronym for Where is All the Data" should be changed. Not that that isn't true, but it seems to mean that the extension came from that phrase when in reality the phrase came from the extension.
-madpanic —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.17.18.23 ( talk) 15:53, 10 April 2011 (UTC)
The cite given for WAD meaning where's all the data is not a good cite. Look at the other definitions there and there are many that are simply humorous. I'm not saying that's not what WAD means, but if it does, you need a much better source, as this is like taking a comedian's word that PETA stands for People Eating Tasty Animals. 68.51.193.141 ( talk) 19:12, 11 April 2015 (UTC)
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The result of the move request was: consensus to move the page to Doom modding at this time, per the discussion below. Dekimasu よ! 11:58, 9 January 2020 (UTC)
Doom WAD → Modding in Doom – Per consistency with Modding in Grand Theft Auto and a title that people can actually understand, as for the unintiated, "Doom WAD" sounds like nonsense. Doom WADs are, essentially, just mods. ZXCVBNM ( TALK) 04:01, 7 December 2019 (UTC) —Relisting. Steel1943 ( talk) 17:41, 30 December 2019 (UTC)
I think we should add Brutal Doom to the list of selected WADs, since it's one of the most popular Doom mods out there, it already has it's own page, and it's mentioned in the Doom series template. HaveYouHeardAboutTheBird ( talk) 17:44, 28 April 2023 (UTC)
I made a change to MyHouse.wad's section, and marked it as a minor edit by accident. It's not a minor edit. MarinaTheRanger ( talk) 13:14, 21 February 2024 (UTC)