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dgaf) 12:39, 11 July 2016 (UTC)reply
Requested move 21 August 2022
The following is a closed discussion of a
requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a
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The result of the move request was: half and half. Per consensus, moved: Donkey Punch (disambiguation); not moved: Donkey punch (cocktail). (
closed by non-admin page mover)
– robertsky (
talk) 11:50, 28 August 2022 (UTC)reply
Support 2nd, no comment on 1st. No primary topic for the capitalized version per
WP:DIFFCAPS, 4,646 views for the this one but 1,744 for the 2008 film and 374 for the 2005 one[
[1]]. Crouch, Swale (
talk) 09:00, 21 August 2022 (UTC)reply
It is a punch. It is made specific to refer to a particular punch because the root noun is being modified by an attributive noun "donkey". Specificity is not ipso facto a rationale for capitalisation.
Cinderella157 (
talk) 22:40, 22 August 2022 (UTC)reply
Ditto. Here goes a regurgitated version of something I noted
here:
User:Roman Spinner mentioned "donkey punch" being "the name of a specific [cocktail]", but a better term would be that it is "the name of a type of cocktail". Use pens and grammar here to form an analogy: "Pens are for writing." – generic; "I have a pen on my desk." – specific but indefinite; "The pen on my desk doesn't write." – specific and definite. Whether generic or specific or definite or indefinite, pen remains an uncapitalised common noun. I can replace "pen" with a type of pen (e.g.
ballpoint pen,
quill,
fudepen), and the three sentences would remain viable. The same with types of drinks (e.g. Beer is good for health; Yesterday I drank a beer; The beer that I drank yesterday was India pale ale → Donkey punch is not so good for health; Last night I had a donkey punch; The donkey punch I had last night was horrible). On the other hand, you could not make sentences like these with proper names like
Wikipedia or
Tsar Nicholas II. So in short, being a type of something or being specific does not make it proper.
The intro of Wikipedia's
proper name article says uniqueness is a factor as is the idea of being a single entity. There is not one unique donkey punch or Long island iced tea or green tea or India pale ale. All have been drunk millions of times. (But I'll admit these issues are not always clear cut especially when related to capitalisation—there have been innumerable Mays and autumns.) —
AjaxSmack 02:34, 24 August 2022 (UTC)reply
Oppose the first move per
AjaxSmack and
BarrelProof. Support the second move as the sexual practice (to which
Donkey Punch currently redirects) is not a proper name.
Graham (
talk) 04:47, 24 August 2022 (UTC)reply
Oppose 1st move per
MOS:ACTCAPS, which addresses all manner of "modern folklore" pop-culture topics that are not proper names. Support 2nd move per Graham11 and
WP:DIFFCAPS. —
SMcCandlish☏¢ 😼 09:37, 24 August 2022 (UTC)reply
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The WikiProject classification for
Donkey punch (cocktail) is Start-class. However, the page has less than 100 words, so it might not meet
the grading criteria. If it should be a stub, then please set |class=Stub on this talk page & reinstate the stub tag(s) on the article page. ~Tom.Reding (
talk ⋅
dgaf) 12:39, 11 July 2016 (UTC)reply
Requested move 21 August 2022
The following is a closed discussion of a
requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a
move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
The result of the move request was: half and half. Per consensus, moved: Donkey Punch (disambiguation); not moved: Donkey punch (cocktail). (
closed by non-admin page mover)
– robertsky (
talk) 11:50, 28 August 2022 (UTC)reply
Support 2nd, no comment on 1st. No primary topic for the capitalized version per
WP:DIFFCAPS, 4,646 views for the this one but 1,744 for the 2008 film and 374 for the 2005 one[
[1]]. Crouch, Swale (
talk) 09:00, 21 August 2022 (UTC)reply
It is a punch. It is made specific to refer to a particular punch because the root noun is being modified by an attributive noun "donkey". Specificity is not ipso facto a rationale for capitalisation.
Cinderella157 (
talk) 22:40, 22 August 2022 (UTC)reply
Ditto. Here goes a regurgitated version of something I noted
here:
User:Roman Spinner mentioned "donkey punch" being "the name of a specific [cocktail]", but a better term would be that it is "the name of a type of cocktail". Use pens and grammar here to form an analogy: "Pens are for writing." – generic; "I have a pen on my desk." – specific but indefinite; "The pen on my desk doesn't write." – specific and definite. Whether generic or specific or definite or indefinite, pen remains an uncapitalised common noun. I can replace "pen" with a type of pen (e.g.
ballpoint pen,
quill,
fudepen), and the three sentences would remain viable. The same with types of drinks (e.g. Beer is good for health; Yesterday I drank a beer; The beer that I drank yesterday was India pale ale → Donkey punch is not so good for health; Last night I had a donkey punch; The donkey punch I had last night was horrible). On the other hand, you could not make sentences like these with proper names like
Wikipedia or
Tsar Nicholas II. So in short, being a type of something or being specific does not make it proper.
The intro of Wikipedia's
proper name article says uniqueness is a factor as is the idea of being a single entity. There is not one unique donkey punch or Long island iced tea or green tea or India pale ale. All have been drunk millions of times. (But I'll admit these issues are not always clear cut especially when related to capitalisation—there have been innumerable Mays and autumns.) —
AjaxSmack 02:34, 24 August 2022 (UTC)reply
Oppose the first move per
AjaxSmack and
BarrelProof. Support the second move as the sexual practice (to which
Donkey Punch currently redirects) is not a proper name.
Graham (
talk) 04:47, 24 August 2022 (UTC)reply
Oppose 1st move per
MOS:ACTCAPS, which addresses all manner of "modern folklore" pop-culture topics that are not proper names. Support 2nd move per Graham11 and
WP:DIFFCAPS. —
SMcCandlish☏¢ 😼 09:37, 24 August 2022 (UTC)reply
The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.