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Introduction of the discussion renewed petition drives to amend the constitution lacked a critical detail. The date to submit signatures to qualify for the November 2008 ballot renders these efforts very unlikely to succeed for this election cycle (c.f. the Gray Davis recall effort). Wonderbreadsf ( talk) 20:52, 23 February 2008 (UTC)
I reverted changes to this section today, as the replacement section was less NPOV than the original, although I agree that neither is truly NPOV. Both versions ascribe motivations that are not sourced. Does someone have time to cleanup this section? -- Robb0995 20:33, 18 December 2006 (UTC)
This is a perfectly interesting anecdote describing life under the DP regime. Unfortunately it lacks any verification or citation. Tone is also troubling (strays into POV): “A true example of,” “More momumental…” etc. Absent any citation, phrases like “However, further research indicates” strongly suggest original research.
I found it awkward enough that I dropped the whole thing. If someone can bring it up to community standards it might make a fine addition to the article. For reference, here is the section in its entirety:
Wonderbreadsf 01:49, 12 December 2006 (UTC)
Can I ask why you removed the link to a new page to specifically address SB 1827 which will be getting a lot of attention this year as it requires DPs to file state as married? -- Robb0995 03:09, 12 December 2006 (UTC)
Is it correct to speak 2006 from domestic partnership in California or is it more correct to write it is a civil union already ? GLGerman 08:07, 22 December 2006 (UTC)
The section on Brown/Plessy in the third paragraph contained an faulty analysis of the Brown/Plessy decisions. The Plessy SCOTUS was not "white supremacist" nor did they "invent" something called "separate buy unequal." Furthermore, the phrase "separate but unequal" does not appear in the Brown decision. The correct quote is "Separate educational facilities are inherently unequal."
The paragraph was not written NPV, but rather alleged that most gays/lesbians thought the institution of marriage was outmoded and patriarchal. (Additionally, no citation was offered to support this contention.) Ccollom 07:18, 26 October 2007 (UTC)
What is the reason for requiring one of the partners to be over 62 years when not the same sex ? The reason or rationale for this obscure. This article would be benefited if someone with expertise could explain that. Eregli bob 06:23, 27 October 2007 (UTC)
How will the legalization of same-sex marriage in California effect domestic partnership? -- Cooljuno411 ( talk) 22:46, 17 May 2008 (UTC)
It say it includes most of the same rights, if it doesn't include some of them then list it. Otherwise, esit it to say it does this is very misleading. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.174.21.173 ( talk) 21:29, 14 December 2008 (UTC)
The DOMA reference should be removed, it has gone uncited for months. It is unlikely that the Full faith and credit clause would apply to same-sex marriage the way the statement claims. Currently, states don't have to recognize marriages from other jurisdictions if the marriage violates the public policy of the state. Why California doesn't recognize heterosexual marriages from Arkansas between adults and 14-year olds, for example. EmeryvilleEric ( talk) 20:31, 20 April 2009 (UTC)
These sources seem to imply that domestic partnerships can participate in CalPERS [ [1]] [ [2]] and this one seems to state directly that they do [ [3]]. I removed from the article the statement that DPs don't have access to CalPERS benefits, because it was un-cited and appears to be false. Ragazz ( talk) 10:34, 4 October 2009 (UTC)
It was difficult to tell if the edit I partially revoked was made with a correct understanding of what was being said, and I think the point the line I've restored is saying is important, so I've done that partial reversion, and I'll explain my reasoning here. Note that this sentence was *not* discussing marriage in either case. The sentence in question is:
It is my belief that the intent of this sentence was to simply say, "in many jurisdictions, the term "civil union" refers to legal relationshps that are granted nearly all (for some value of all) the state legal rights of marriage, whereas "domestic partnership" usually refers to something with substantially fewer rights. Obviously this is a somewhat fuzzy line, but in California, the "domestic partnership" arrangement looks more like what in many New England states would be considered a civil union.
I point you at the introduction to the Wikipedia article on domestic partnership:
I think you can see some of what I'm describing in sources such as [4] and [5] nod to the issue. I don't believe it should be controversial once understood, but I'm happy to provide additional information. -- j⚛e decker talk 20:56, 19 June 2010 (UTC)
Should wikipedia say "opposite-sex couple" or "different-sex couple"? Why? That is, what's the opposite of "same-sex"? Bmclaughlin9 ( talk) 19:00, 25 April 2011 (UTC)
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There were a few places where this change under SB30 was referred to as "upcoming," so I reworded it. I felt the opening paragraph was a bit confusing now that the change is in effect, so I broke it into two parts.
There was a separate section at the end called "Domestic Partnership Reforms" which listed SB 30 as the sole "reform." It seems more appropriate under the "Legislative History" section, where I moved it under the subtitle "Expansion to include opposite-sex couples of any age" since it is a major change. I added a sentence from the bill's author on its purpose, cited to a floor analysis document because the initial text sounded to me like it was expressing the author's point of view ("As of January 1, 2020, opposite-sex couples have legal access to domestic partnerships as an alternative to marriage within California. Since 1999, domestic partnerships for opposite-sex couples were limited to people over 62 years old, while there were no such limits on their use by same-sex couples.")
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Introduction of the discussion renewed petition drives to amend the constitution lacked a critical detail. The date to submit signatures to qualify for the November 2008 ballot renders these efforts very unlikely to succeed for this election cycle (c.f. the Gray Davis recall effort). Wonderbreadsf ( talk) 20:52, 23 February 2008 (UTC)
I reverted changes to this section today, as the replacement section was less NPOV than the original, although I agree that neither is truly NPOV. Both versions ascribe motivations that are not sourced. Does someone have time to cleanup this section? -- Robb0995 20:33, 18 December 2006 (UTC)
This is a perfectly interesting anecdote describing life under the DP regime. Unfortunately it lacks any verification or citation. Tone is also troubling (strays into POV): “A true example of,” “More momumental…” etc. Absent any citation, phrases like “However, further research indicates” strongly suggest original research.
I found it awkward enough that I dropped the whole thing. If someone can bring it up to community standards it might make a fine addition to the article. For reference, here is the section in its entirety:
Wonderbreadsf 01:49, 12 December 2006 (UTC)
Can I ask why you removed the link to a new page to specifically address SB 1827 which will be getting a lot of attention this year as it requires DPs to file state as married? -- Robb0995 03:09, 12 December 2006 (UTC)
Is it correct to speak 2006 from domestic partnership in California or is it more correct to write it is a civil union already ? GLGerman 08:07, 22 December 2006 (UTC)
The section on Brown/Plessy in the third paragraph contained an faulty analysis of the Brown/Plessy decisions. The Plessy SCOTUS was not "white supremacist" nor did they "invent" something called "separate buy unequal." Furthermore, the phrase "separate but unequal" does not appear in the Brown decision. The correct quote is "Separate educational facilities are inherently unequal."
The paragraph was not written NPV, but rather alleged that most gays/lesbians thought the institution of marriage was outmoded and patriarchal. (Additionally, no citation was offered to support this contention.) Ccollom 07:18, 26 October 2007 (UTC)
What is the reason for requiring one of the partners to be over 62 years when not the same sex ? The reason or rationale for this obscure. This article would be benefited if someone with expertise could explain that. Eregli bob 06:23, 27 October 2007 (UTC)
How will the legalization of same-sex marriage in California effect domestic partnership? -- Cooljuno411 ( talk) 22:46, 17 May 2008 (UTC)
It say it includes most of the same rights, if it doesn't include some of them then list it. Otherwise, esit it to say it does this is very misleading. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.174.21.173 ( talk) 21:29, 14 December 2008 (UTC)
The DOMA reference should be removed, it has gone uncited for months. It is unlikely that the Full faith and credit clause would apply to same-sex marriage the way the statement claims. Currently, states don't have to recognize marriages from other jurisdictions if the marriage violates the public policy of the state. Why California doesn't recognize heterosexual marriages from Arkansas between adults and 14-year olds, for example. EmeryvilleEric ( talk) 20:31, 20 April 2009 (UTC)
These sources seem to imply that domestic partnerships can participate in CalPERS [ [1]] [ [2]] and this one seems to state directly that they do [ [3]]. I removed from the article the statement that DPs don't have access to CalPERS benefits, because it was un-cited and appears to be false. Ragazz ( talk) 10:34, 4 October 2009 (UTC)
It was difficult to tell if the edit I partially revoked was made with a correct understanding of what was being said, and I think the point the line I've restored is saying is important, so I've done that partial reversion, and I'll explain my reasoning here. Note that this sentence was *not* discussing marriage in either case. The sentence in question is:
It is my belief that the intent of this sentence was to simply say, "in many jurisdictions, the term "civil union" refers to legal relationshps that are granted nearly all (for some value of all) the state legal rights of marriage, whereas "domestic partnership" usually refers to something with substantially fewer rights. Obviously this is a somewhat fuzzy line, but in California, the "domestic partnership" arrangement looks more like what in many New England states would be considered a civil union.
I point you at the introduction to the Wikipedia article on domestic partnership:
I think you can see some of what I'm describing in sources such as [4] and [5] nod to the issue. I don't believe it should be controversial once understood, but I'm happy to provide additional information. -- j⚛e decker talk 20:56, 19 June 2010 (UTC)
Should wikipedia say "opposite-sex couple" or "different-sex couple"? Why? That is, what's the opposite of "same-sex"? Bmclaughlin9 ( talk) 19:00, 25 April 2011 (UTC)
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There were a few places where this change under SB30 was referred to as "upcoming," so I reworded it. I felt the opening paragraph was a bit confusing now that the change is in effect, so I broke it into two parts.
There was a separate section at the end called "Domestic Partnership Reforms" which listed SB 30 as the sole "reform." It seems more appropriate under the "Legislative History" section, where I moved it under the subtitle "Expansion to include opposite-sex couples of any age" since it is a major change. I added a sentence from the bill's author on its purpose, cited to a floor analysis document because the initial text sounded to me like it was expressing the author's point of view ("As of January 1, 2020, opposite-sex couples have legal access to domestic partnerships as an alternative to marriage within California. Since 1999, domestic partnerships for opposite-sex couples were limited to people over 62 years old, while there were no such limits on their use by same-sex couples.")
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