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If you would please let's look at this together: http://www.cbc.ca/news/story/2003/11/11/coyote_meat031111.html#ixzz0t8UI0YnJ. This is the event the "Canada" section of the article. It's just a short interesting well-written story from the CBC. Then please if you would do please after having read that move on to the next paragraph.
Ok. Now we both know that the "Edmonton Panda Garden mystery meat" situation there turned out to be Coyote meat. The question is, while a coyote is perhaps a " wild dog" in one very broad sense of the word, I'm not sure if Coyote meat is within the scope of this article. It could also be legitimately seen as a "dog meat" false alarm because the experts went over the bodies with calipers and such and reported back that it was Canis latrans, point of fact.
So, this is my first request for comment from dogmeat talk page watchers:
Is Coyote meat within the scope of this article?
Next, and this is a separate question, regardless of the above, notice that we could used this citation to cite the fact that it is illegal in Canada to sell the meat of any wild animal. We mention this fact in the article. Why? Dog meat isn't the meat of any wild species.
So I'm removing these two statements from the article.
Well, what can we learn from this article about Dog meat in Canada? Only the fact that it's not technically illegal there? Please notice that this article can be used to cite that fact. But is there anything else we can learn about it?
If you read the article, I think you will agree that it is knowable from this that Canadians were worried it might be dogmeat and took the possibility very seriously as if that would be a bad thing in their culture. It's clear from this that broadly speaking dogmeat is as taboo in Canadian culture as you might figure it probably would be. Also, the fact that the restaurant was call Panda makes me think it was probably Chinese food and so that is who was being suspected of this violation of Canadian custom if not law.
Why do you think Canadians don't have a specific law against dogmeat? Maybe they don't feel they need such a law, or had never thought to make such a law as it's just that far out of their culture that no one thought to make such a law. And also, if inspectors have to be present, don't you think that de facto rules out butchering a dog there? I mean, what Canadian meat inspector isn't going to be come up with some rule that would disallow it.
The question is: can we confidently state that it's legal to butcher a dog and eat it in Canada based on this Edmonton Panda Garden Story? Chrisrus ( talk) 21:31, 21 August 2012 (UTC)
It would be technically legal to set up a licensed slaughterhouse to kill dogs, although there would be massive protest demonstrations. It is illegal for a pet-owner to kill his own dog (unless he/she is a veterinarian). Anyone reading this srticle should understand that there are sentences of up to 5 years for cruelty to animals, and anyone butchering a dog in the back yard would be at risk of criminal charges, not to mention a community outcry and condemnation. 77Mike77 ( talk) 18:31, 23 February 2013 (UTC)
When I started this thread last summer, the Canadian section was different than it is now. Not that there isn't room for improvement still, but the section I was describing above and the way it is now are different. If you can further improve it, please be WP:BOLD. Chrisrus ( talk) 04:26, 25 February 2013 (UTC)
I found this article, http://news.discovery.com/animals/pets/california-cuisine-once-featured-farmed-dogs-130131.htm, and thought that editors of this article might want to make use of it. Happy editing! Chrisrus ( talk) 16:41, 23 February 2013 (UTC)
It's well-known that native Americans traditionally ate dogs when they were starving, but that article's title makes it sound like the west coast hippies ate dogs with their granola. It's probably because they inappropriately used the European (French) word "cuisine" (probably for ironic effect). It is important that this article not attempt to misrepresent dog meat as just another menu item in North America, because dog-eating is very rare today among aboriginals and reviled among the vast majority of the population. It is only recent immigrants from some non-European cultures who are trying to impose this disgusting practice and misrepresent it as normal and acceptable. For example, no restaurant in Canada would EVER advertise the word "dog meat" on an English sign, because dog-lovers would put a brick through the window. Dog meat is very much "underground" in Canada, alongside shark fins amd tiger penises. I suspect that there will eventually be legislation in Canada to make dogmeat illegal as it is in Germany. 77Mike77 ( talk) 18:24, 23 February 2013 (UTC)
I didn't violate NPOV in the article. In an article on, say, cannibalism, is it forbidden to mention, in the Talk section, that most Canadians are opposed to cannibalism? I can indeed state this without a citation, and without "speaking for all Canadians", in precisely the same way that I can assert that the vast majority of Canadians do not believe that 2+2=5. You obviously don't live in Canada if you think that eating dogs is acceptable here. I've never met anyone in Canada who wouldn't be horrified at the idea of eating a dead dog. I have never seen dog meat on sale anywhere, ever. I am certain that the number of dog-eaters in Canada is much smaller than the number of people convicted of armed robbery. If there is an article about the topic of eating dog meat, it is because it is shocking - you never see an article, "Some Canadians discovered eating sardines!" My point of view is completely in accordance with the facts in Canada, and anyone who attempts to promote the blatant falsehood that eating things like dogs, roadkill, etc. is somehow "normal" or "acceptable" in Canada is someone with a propaganda agenda that violates NPOV. There is no law in Canada against chopping off your fingers and eating them, just as there is no law against eating dogs or abortions. Why? Because virtually nobody does these things. If they did, there would be a newspaper story about it, but one would twisted to construe that story as a "citation" to justify the viewpoint that Canadians eat dogs, abortions, fingers, etc. I suspect that the number of Canadians who eat dogmeat is roughly the same as the number who eat roadkill. It is time someone did surveys on these things. I'm looking into it. Also First Nations people do not consider themselves "Canadians". They insist on keeping their own remaining lands under treaties with Canada on a nation-to-nation basis. (Please follow the recent newspapers in Canada if you don't understand this.) Never say "Some Canadians eat dog meat" when you mean, "A tiny number of First Nations people eat dog meat on their reservations within Canada." The only other people who are suspected of eating dogs are very recent immigrants from certain backward parts of Asia who have not yet learned that eating dogs is socially unacceptable in Canada, and even in that case, it would be done completely underground and out of sight. It's similar to polygamy: polygamists who married several wives where it is legal are accepted by Canadian law (even though it is abhorent to Canadians) while marrying more than one wife IN Canada is illegal. There is a resistance in Canada to fundamental changes, and introducing dog-eating and polygamy will be met with opposition. 77Mike77 ( talk) 17:11, 24 February 2013 (UTC)
You are violating NPOV by trying to promote the one-sided view that dog-eating is an acceptable, non-controversial practice in Canada, which it is not. There is very strong opposition to it here. Do not propagate falsehoods about Canada and expect them to go unchallenged. The fact that you find eating abortions offensive shows a value judgment on your part, and the fact that you find it unacceptable to compare dog-eating to abortion-eating implies that you don't have a problem with dog-eating. If you are posting from Korea, fine, that is your business, but you cannot expect the Canadian section of this article to adhere to a Korean point of view. The opening of this article, with a nutrient breakdown, violates NPOV. Would you have a nutrient breakdown of human meat in an article about cannibalism? Is wikipedia a cookbook, do you think? This article has parts that do take into consideration the controversy and the cruelty issues. Please re-read the yellow boxes about the animal rights aspects of the article and reconsider your comments. 77Mike77 ( talk) 00:30, 25 February 2013 (UTC)
Thank you for your fair and reasonable comment. I will be looking for some references before developing something to add. This is a topic that is "under the radar" in Canada, in some ways, and there is very little written about it. There are animal rights sites, but they would probably be considered non-NPOV. Many others have an overtly anti-animal-rights agenda so are also non-NPOV. Newspapers and magazines are not exactly sources of unbiased truth, unless rhey are reporting specific facts, e.g. a survey result. I'm working on it and will be back. 77Mike77 ( talk) 05:48, 25 February 2013 (UTC)
According to Apple Daily, in Yulin, Guangxi the locals are celebrating the lychee dog meat festival and they will kill more than 100,000 dogs.
People of Guangxi celebrating dog meat festival 100,000 dogs will be killed
Hong Kong Apple Daily 21 June 2013 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 116.49.202.169 ( talk) 07:16, 21 June 2013 (UTC)
The info provided in this article about my country is false; if one reads this page will think that dog meat is common in Switzerland, like in Korea or other Asian countries. It's not, and it's forbidden by law. That news from Appenzell is an old story about some crazy farmer. Just because some TV aired a show about this in 1996 doesn't mean that it's a national thing. Writing "dog meat is consumed in Switzerland, China, etc." is totally untrue. Proof? The German version of this article, with law-links. You can't find dog meat in Switzerland: either in shops, either in restaurants. Get your facts correct before writing "dog meat consuming is common in Switzerland" please. The "Switzerland" part of the article is correct, but you can't cite Switzerland at the beginning of the article as "eating dog counrty" because it's not true and gives false information about my country. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A02:120B:2C61:25F0:C504:E74F:80DC:1654 ( talk) 16:49, 18 July 2013 (UTC)
Anna Frodesiak ( talk) 21:25, 24 February 2013 (UTC)
I saw my edit about dog meat in Poland was reversed. The information I posted is true and covered by law, isn't only a cultural taboo (meat, fat etc). This is why people mentioned in the article in English face criminal charges,because they killed dogs, not being for example vets who eustanize sick animals.(article 33 in Polish animal wellfare law states when an animal can be killed-there are 6 points regarding it-and who is qualified to do it, methods of possible humane killing,etc) I was thinking the article was giving enough supporting information. Maybe quoting in addition, plus providing links to documents (in Polish) regulating situation of animals, animal rights, animal abuse will clarify this?
Also not in all rural areas the belief is held, in some, yes. Bialosz ( talk) 20:03, 26 March 2014 (UTC)
Dog eating is not done by everyone in Korea. Does it exist? Yes, but it isn't something that is done by everyone, as a matter of fact, most people don't. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.49.180.8 ( talk) 07:34, 13 August 2013 (UTC)
Excuse me, but Koreans don't really eat dogs these days. It was past ago when they ate dog meat. Also, the dog meat they ate was edible dogs, not pet dogs. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 110.8.26.5 ( talk) 13:14, 3 November 2013 (UTC)
If you have references that some do, it should be clarified that some do. The Korea part is so written that nothing suggests that it is practiced by some, when you talk about "cuisine" the text suggests that it is common. According to Korean animal right activists most Koreans don't eat dog meat, and don't want to be associated with this practice.See the last paragraph by KARA (Korean Animal Rights Advocates). To me this source is as reliable as for ex. PETA.
http://animalrightskorea.org/dog-meat-issue/the-history-of-koreas-dog-meat-industry.html
Such subjects need to be treated with cultural sensitivity.Even though most Koreans don't eat dog meat, nor tried it, there is a stereotype about Koreans. If ethnic stereotypes exist, care needs to be taken not to perpetuate them by not mentioning that it is not practiced by most people. Here in this video Korean university students confront common held stereotypes mention dog eating too.
http://telcmediacenter.blogspot.com/2011/11/korean-university-students-confronting.html
The video isn't reliable source, but is reliable to show the stereotypes. Too many people rely on information on wikipedia, so, certain subjects need to be treated carefully, or maybe an anthropologist should read them too? Bialosz ( talk) 00:07, 27 March 2014 (UTC)
The Manchu people/ Jurchen people do not eat dogs, harm or kill dogs, or use resulting from the killing of dogs. which distinguishes them from Koreans.
http://gbtimes.com/life/manchu-modern-china
The Jurchens even regarded what Koreans did to dogs at the "utmost evil". Page 131 on top, Page 18 on botton.
http://www.ritsumei.ac.jp/acd/cg/lt/rb/601/601PDF/aisin.pdf
Rajmaan ( talk) 09:02, 19 April 2014 (UTC)
http://www.cnn.com/2013/06/02/world/asia/thailand-dogs/
http://www.globalpost.com/dispatch/thailand/091123/eating-dogs-dog-meat-mafia-capture
http://www.theguardian.com/environment/video/2013/may/20/dog-meat-mafia-thailand-video
http://www.theglobalmail.org/feature/dog-meat-mafia-inside-thailands-smuggling-trade/616/
http://www.examiner . com/ article/vietnam-dog-meat-industry-does-torture-make-the-meat-tastier
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/sep/27/eating-dog-vietnam-thailand-kate-hodal
http://www.thedailymeal.com/9-countries-eat-cats-and-dogs-slideshow
http://www.thedailymeal.com/9-countries-eat-cats-and-dogs/11414
http://www.thedropoutdiaries.com/2012/11/the-truth-about-cats-dogs-in-vietnam/
http://saynotodogmeat.net/2014/06/06/vietnam-dog-and-cat-meat-restaurant-signs/
http://www.petitionbuzz.com/petitions/vietnam
http://blogs.miaminewtimes.com/shortorder/2014/04/i_ate_dog_meat_in_vietnam.php
https://www.causes.com/campaigns/70849-stop-dog-and-cat-meat-smugglers-from-thailand-vietnam
http://www.thedropoutdiaries.com/2012/11/the-truth-about-cats-dogs-in-vietnam/
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/sep/27/eating-dog-vietnam-thailand-kate-hodal
http://www.animals24-7.org/2014/06/08/dog-meat-traffic-still-spreads-rabies-in-vietnam/
Rajmaan ( talk) 22:28, 23 June 2014 (UTC)
The image used for this article was clearly chosen to evoke an emotional response and should be changed. Look up any other article about a specific animal's meat and they are not anything like this one.
216.246.130.20 ( talk) 17:34, 19 November 2013 (UTC)
I agree. It could also upset children who stumble on this page. 109.149.66.61 ( talk) 20:16, 2 June 2014 (UTC)
This edit caught my eye, the edit summary of which says "Mainland China: I'm native Cantonese speaker the pronunciation of dog and nine is not same you can ask local Hong Konger to proof". I have not reverted it but, of course, it is WP:OR and asking local Hong Kongers for proof doesn't meet WP:RS requirements. I haven't looked hard for sources satisfying RS requirements to support differing assertions re this (see WP:DUE), but I did see [7], [8], [9], [10], and others. Wtmitchell (talk) (earlier Boracay Bill) 08:17, 28 October 2014 (UTC)
I can not see the point of the 2 collapsible tables in "Mainland China". I propose these be deleted.DrChrissy (talk) 18:10, 20 May 2015 (UTC)
Dog smuggling trade from Thailand to Vietnam.
http://www.scmp.com/magazines/post-magazine/article/1644440/love-dog
Rajmaan ( talk) 15:57, 28 May 2015 (UTC)
http://eng.mynewshub.cc/2015/04/02/vietnamese-girl-cries-as-she-finds-her-lost-dog-dead-cooked/
http://www.thestar.com.my/News/Regional/2015/04/02/Vietnamese-girl-Dog-Cooked/
http://www.scoopnest.com/user/Daily_Star/582612517106659328
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9bzNNzuWywM
Please consider including this information.
— Wavelength ( talk) 20:59, 15 June 2015 (UTC)
I don't know whether it's a significant factor at this point, but John Barrowman recently linked to this page, albeit indirectly, on Twitter (the actual message is in the TMI link which, in turn, links to this page via a t.co shortened URL that's apparently blacklisted on Wikipedia). I know there's a template for that, but I don't know whether it's really called for here or not. While there's been an uptick in IP edits recently, some were clearly beneficial, and none have called for the deletion of the page as suggested in the post. – Robin Hood (talk) 17:54, 22 June 2015 (UTC)
Per WP:LEADIMAGE, "Lead images should be selected to be of least shock value; if an alternative image exists that still is an accurate representation of the topic but without shock value, it should always be preferred." The current image shows the partially dismembered head and torso of a dog, which (though an accurate depiction of the topic) is unnecessarily graphic and should not be used per this guideline. Other articles about meat types (e.g. Beef, Chicken (food), Whale meat) tend to show the animal's meat in isolation or in a prepared state, rather than showing the process of butchery. Similarly, this article should use a less graphic image, perhaps in conjunction with an image of the livestock animal from which the meat is derived, following the example of the Beef article. 73.223.96.73 ( talk) 02:03, 11 May 2015 (UTC)
Image E is the least offensive. It puts the sale of dog meat in it's cultural context which makes it less disturbing. The first image (a) is far too graphic for Wikipedia.
Article | Lead image |
Beef | Raw cut of meat |
Cat | Live animal |
Chicken (food) | Prepared |
Duck (food) | Prepared |
Elephant meat | Illustration of elephant being shot |
Goat meat | In preparation |
Horse meat | Raw, sliced meat |
Kangaroo meat | Raw cuts of meat |
Lamb and mutton | Raw cuts of meat |
Pork | Raw cut of meat |
Quails in cookery | In preparation |
Squab (food) | Prepared |
Turkey meat | Prepared |
Veal | Dressed carcasses |
Venison | Raw cut of meat |
Whale meat | Raw cuts in market |
Well, it has been three days, and no self-revert. I'm going to revert to the last stable version and leave the live dog image. Please use WP:BRD here to get consensus for a non-raw meat lead image. Anna Frodesiak ( talk) 20:16, 13 May 2015 (UTC)
The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
There is some disagreement about what the lead image for the Dog meat article should be. The current image shows a raw, skinned dog head and torso. Concerns have been raised about the graphicness of this image per WP:LEADIMAGE. Possible alternatives include other images of raw dog meat, or images of prepared or cooked dog meat. 73.223.96.73 ( talk) 05:30, 18 May 2015 (UTC)
comment One of the problems I see here is that we need to be careful not to sanitize the origins of our meat. The article Lamb contains a lead image including the bone/leg of the animal whereas Ham does not and Pork has a picture of an entire pig being roasted. The line between non-sanitized and gory is a thin one and influenced by many subjective/cultural factors. I have to say that as someone from the UK who eats meat, I respond differently to an image of a slow-roasting dog compared to a slow-roasting pig. However, I have to acknowledge this is a hypocritical attitude on my part. Perhaps we need to develop guidelines on this?DrChrissy (talk) 11:33, 20 May 2015 (UTC)
comment I have just read WP:LEADIMAGE and this states "Lead images should be selected to be of least shock value; if an alternative image exists that still is an accurate representation of the topic but without shock value, it should always be preferred."(my emphasis) I think this means that of the 5 candidates above, D is clearly the only choice. However, as Anna points out, this is a guideline. The WP:NOTCENSORED policy discusses images that might be "objectionable" and says "..."being objectionable" is generally not sufficient grounds for the removal (or inclusion) of content." (my emphasis). I do not wish to go against policy, but I feel this might be one of those "generally" exceptions. I have seen many images on animal-welfare related articles deleted because they are objectionable, and often agreed because they seem to have been selected for their high level of shock-value. If we go down the route that not showing these types of images (in the lead) is censorship and therefore they should be allowed, we could end up with a real horror show on animal/meat related articles.DrChrissy (talk) 15:17, 20 May 2015 (UTC)
comment This has been discussed before and as I recall we thought the important thing was that pictures should be clearly of the thing that they depicting. If one picture doesn't clearly and obviously show something, it's not as good as a more unmistakable image. So while picture D of the steamed meat will be chosen by pretty much aesthetic grounds alone, how clearly is it a picture of the referent of this article and not something else? Picture D is easily mistakable for another kind of meat. The other pictures are unmistakably the referent of this article. That picture D is nice to look at, but being nice to look at isn't the only important criterion. A picture should not look like something else. So that's why we decided to use the least ugly of those pictures that don't look as if they could be anything else. Chrisrus ( talk) 07:16, 22 May 2015 (UTC)
This sentence is illogical. Firstly, it can be either "2015" or "per year", but those two together doesn't make any sense. Secondly, it's a huge difference between 10 and 20 million. If you can't narrow down the number, then don't give any number. But this way, it seems like they just want to have any number to scare people. -- 2.245.84.38 ( talk) 19:51, 23 June 2015 (UTC)
Apologies for the language.
The Daily Fail is a horrible source for almost any item, but particularly in relation to cross cultural "scandals" its tabloid roots, heart and soul completely show through in screaming red top glory. -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 15:19, 24 June 2015 (UTC)
@ User:Alexbrn - your last revert deleted a source which is not being discussed here. Please self revert.DrChrissy (talk) 16:41, 24 June 2015 (UTC)
( ←) DrChrissy, can you please establish which specific reference you believe should be reinstated. I've been following along, and even I don't see what it is you're referring to. There were only two non-Daily Mail references that were removed along with the Daily Mail ones: the CNBC one that the others have addressed and the careforchineseanimals.net one, which appears to be a WordPress blog that you need an account to view. Blogs, at least in the sense of personal blogs, are by definition not reliable sources (with a rare few exceptions, like sources about themselves). So which of these two do you believe should be reinstated and why? – Robin Hood (talk) 03:42, 25 June 2015 (UTC)
Kleuske ( talk) 12:12, 30 June 2015 (UTC)
I have made some edits the lead and various sections throughout the article due to bad syntax of writing, poorly worded sections and some nonsense about 'tunch' (excuse me if it is a cultural word, I mean no offense, though it should have a link or definition).
https://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Dog_meat&type=revision&diff=675256249&oldid=675246883 is a link to the revisions I have made. If anyone has any particular concerns about my edits, feel free to leave a comment under a sub-section title of the edited section, e.g. if you have concerns about my edits to the Lede, use the sub-section title "Lede", and so on.
Dr Crazy 102 ( talk) 11:13, 9 August 2015 (UTC)
This has been a chronic problem for some years now. None of the other "meat" articles show lead photo's that are there for shock value. The lead photo should be representative of the dog meat as food and not POV of particular editors. The Request for Comment below unfortunately seems to have only considered similar photos that were taken for "shock value". Please assist in finding an appropriate photograph that is representative of dog meat as food. Feel free to share candidates below for comment. Thank you. Melonbarmonster2 ( talk) 20:31, 26 August 2015 (UTC)
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Should we include scandals where dog meat was sold in countries for consumption where dog meat is officially forbidden by religious rules?
dog meat morocco
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www.dailymail.co.uk/.../Morocco-grip-DOG-MEAT-scandal-... Daily Mail May 4, 2013 - Authorities in Morocco have launched an investigation into the illegal trade of dog meat after 37 carcasses were discovered in the back of a ...
Islam For Today - Morocco in grip of DOG MEAT scandal... https://www.facebook.com/IslamForToday/posts/494228650642880
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DOG MEAT IN MOROCCO - YouTube https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lBaIkTZ24AY
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www.ibtimes.co.uk/dog-meat-scandal-moro... International Business Times May 5, 2013 - Illegal trading of dog meat sparks police probe in Morocco after a man from Casablanca was arrested with the dog carcasses meant for ...
Morocco in grip of DOG MEAT scandal after police find ... http://www.wardheernews.com/morocco-in-grip-of-dog-meat-scandal-after-police-find-carcasses-of-pets-destined-for-restaurants/
www.wardheernews.com/morocco-in-grip-of-dog-meat-scandal-after-polic... May 5, 2013 - Authorities in Morocco have launched an investigation into the illegal trade of dog meat after 37 carcasses were discovered in the back of a ...
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https://www.pinterest.com/pin/239605642648606946/ Pinterest Horrific images show caged dogs at restaurants in China where they are about to be killed and eaten The shocking photos show dogs being killed and cooked ...
Disgusting dog meat scandal in Morocco • Ethiopian News Forum - Mereja http://mereja.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=52485
mereja.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=52485 May 6, 2013 - 2 posts - 1 author Morocco in grip of DOG MEAT scandal after police find carcasses of pets destined for restaurants. Police in Casablanca find 37 dog carcasses ...
Mohammed Hersi on Twitter: "Morocco in grip of DOG MEAT ... https://twitter.com/mohammedhersi/status/331008659599532032
https://twitter.com/mohammedhersi/status/331008659599532032 Morocco in grip of DOG MEAT scandal after police find carcasses of pets ... @hersimohammed The only safe place to eat meat is in the village when you can ...
Dog meat - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia /info/en/?search=Dangogi
/info/en/?search=Dangogi Wikipedia Jump to Morocco - Morocco[edit]. Islamic law bans the eating of dog meat as does the government of Morocco, however the consumption of dog meat still ... /info/en/?search=Dangogi
'Dog meat' fear keeps Moroccan diners away - Emirates 24|7 http://www.emirates247.com/offbeat/crazy-world/dog-meat-fear-keeps-moroccan-diners-away-2013-05-05-1.505214
www.emirates247.com/.../dog-meat-fear-keeps-moroccan-din... Emirates 24/7 May 5, 2013 - Police in Morocco are investigating the illegal trade of dog meat after 37 carcasses were found in a butcher's vehicle, according to the Daily ...
Shoppers who ate DONKEY passed off as beef in Egypt told ... www.dailymail.co.uk/.../Shoppers-ate-DONKEY-meat-passed-be...Daily Mail Jun 19, 2015 - Head of Egyptian Food Safety Authority Hussein Mansour (pictured) said eating donkey meat is perfectly safe and admitted blissfully unaware ...
dog meat pakistan
Pakistani eaten DOG meat it as Goat meat - Shocking ... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GXgErrw9Hco
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GXgErrw9Hco Mar 5, 2015 - Uploaded by Indo-Pak News In Karachi two butchers are selling dog meat to the public under the guise of goat meat at last Six months.
Dog meat seller in Pakistan - YouTube https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=edQAGRir_Nc
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=edQAGRir_Nc Oct 22, 2011 - Uploaded by TheAsianSocietyuk Mehrab Pur a msn arrested selling dog meat He says one doesn't Ned to go to Far East to enjoy these ...
Private channel accused of staging sale of dog meat in ... http://dunyanews.tv/en/Pakistan/264747-Private-channel-accused-of-staging-sale-of-dog-mea
dunyanews.tv/.../Pakistan/264747-Private-channel-accused-... Dunya News Mar 3, 2015 - KARACHI (Dunya News) – As many as two people on Monday have been arrested for selling dog meat in Ibrahim Hyderi area of Korangi.
Men Caught Selling Dog Meat In Karachi - Video Dailymotion http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x2igusk
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The result of the move request was: no consensus to move. SST flyer 10:26, 30 June 2016 (UTC)
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Dog as food – After recent discussion at
Duck as food, several pages have been moved from
X (food) to
X as food. I suggest that for consistency, we also move this article to
Dog as food. Comments welcome. DrChrissy
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Could someone please have a look? United States of America --> United States may be best. It used to start with how "dog" means sausage, and now start with "unfortunately". Both not so good. Shouldn't it start with legality, history of eating it in the US, etc.? I'll leave this to others because I haven't been in touch with this article for some time and I cannot access that NYT piece. Cheers. :) Anna Frodesiak ( talk) 20:06, 12 August 2016 (UTC)
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I've seen a claim repeated in several anti-dog-meat sources, as well as in this article ( Dog meat § Torture for health or culinary benefits), that sellers of dog meat intentionally inflict pain and suffering on the animals to enhance the flavor or supposed health benefits of the meat. Is this a real practice, or is this a myth propagated by opponents of dog meat consumption to make it seem more cruel? It would be helpful to have verification from a source with a neutral or pro-dog-meat stance. The current sources for this claim are both Western sources that are criticizing the practice of eating dog meat, so they may be presenting a distorted view of the subject. 2601:644:0:DBD0:C45F:EA34:74F8:226 ( talk) 20:48, 18 June 2017 (UTC)
Is it possible to add anything related to the taste of dog meat, as is present for example in the "Goat meat" page? As well, more on the ways and means of cooking dog meat would be of interest. I get that eating this animal is taboo in the west but that shouldn't be relevant. 218.55.112.18 ( talk) 08:49, 23 July 2017 (UTC)
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If you would please let's look at this together: http://www.cbc.ca/news/story/2003/11/11/coyote_meat031111.html#ixzz0t8UI0YnJ. This is the event the "Canada" section of the article. It's just a short interesting well-written story from the CBC. Then please if you would do please after having read that move on to the next paragraph.
Ok. Now we both know that the "Edmonton Panda Garden mystery meat" situation there turned out to be Coyote meat. The question is, while a coyote is perhaps a " wild dog" in one very broad sense of the word, I'm not sure if Coyote meat is within the scope of this article. It could also be legitimately seen as a "dog meat" false alarm because the experts went over the bodies with calipers and such and reported back that it was Canis latrans, point of fact.
So, this is my first request for comment from dogmeat talk page watchers:
Is Coyote meat within the scope of this article?
Next, and this is a separate question, regardless of the above, notice that we could used this citation to cite the fact that it is illegal in Canada to sell the meat of any wild animal. We mention this fact in the article. Why? Dog meat isn't the meat of any wild species.
So I'm removing these two statements from the article.
Well, what can we learn from this article about Dog meat in Canada? Only the fact that it's not technically illegal there? Please notice that this article can be used to cite that fact. But is there anything else we can learn about it?
If you read the article, I think you will agree that it is knowable from this that Canadians were worried it might be dogmeat and took the possibility very seriously as if that would be a bad thing in their culture. It's clear from this that broadly speaking dogmeat is as taboo in Canadian culture as you might figure it probably would be. Also, the fact that the restaurant was call Panda makes me think it was probably Chinese food and so that is who was being suspected of this violation of Canadian custom if not law.
Why do you think Canadians don't have a specific law against dogmeat? Maybe they don't feel they need such a law, or had never thought to make such a law as it's just that far out of their culture that no one thought to make such a law. And also, if inspectors have to be present, don't you think that de facto rules out butchering a dog there? I mean, what Canadian meat inspector isn't going to be come up with some rule that would disallow it.
The question is: can we confidently state that it's legal to butcher a dog and eat it in Canada based on this Edmonton Panda Garden Story? Chrisrus ( talk) 21:31, 21 August 2012 (UTC)
It would be technically legal to set up a licensed slaughterhouse to kill dogs, although there would be massive protest demonstrations. It is illegal for a pet-owner to kill his own dog (unless he/she is a veterinarian). Anyone reading this srticle should understand that there are sentences of up to 5 years for cruelty to animals, and anyone butchering a dog in the back yard would be at risk of criminal charges, not to mention a community outcry and condemnation. 77Mike77 ( talk) 18:31, 23 February 2013 (UTC)
When I started this thread last summer, the Canadian section was different than it is now. Not that there isn't room for improvement still, but the section I was describing above and the way it is now are different. If you can further improve it, please be WP:BOLD. Chrisrus ( talk) 04:26, 25 February 2013 (UTC)
I found this article, http://news.discovery.com/animals/pets/california-cuisine-once-featured-farmed-dogs-130131.htm, and thought that editors of this article might want to make use of it. Happy editing! Chrisrus ( talk) 16:41, 23 February 2013 (UTC)
It's well-known that native Americans traditionally ate dogs when they were starving, but that article's title makes it sound like the west coast hippies ate dogs with their granola. It's probably because they inappropriately used the European (French) word "cuisine" (probably for ironic effect). It is important that this article not attempt to misrepresent dog meat as just another menu item in North America, because dog-eating is very rare today among aboriginals and reviled among the vast majority of the population. It is only recent immigrants from some non-European cultures who are trying to impose this disgusting practice and misrepresent it as normal and acceptable. For example, no restaurant in Canada would EVER advertise the word "dog meat" on an English sign, because dog-lovers would put a brick through the window. Dog meat is very much "underground" in Canada, alongside shark fins amd tiger penises. I suspect that there will eventually be legislation in Canada to make dogmeat illegal as it is in Germany. 77Mike77 ( talk) 18:24, 23 February 2013 (UTC)
I didn't violate NPOV in the article. In an article on, say, cannibalism, is it forbidden to mention, in the Talk section, that most Canadians are opposed to cannibalism? I can indeed state this without a citation, and without "speaking for all Canadians", in precisely the same way that I can assert that the vast majority of Canadians do not believe that 2+2=5. You obviously don't live in Canada if you think that eating dogs is acceptable here. I've never met anyone in Canada who wouldn't be horrified at the idea of eating a dead dog. I have never seen dog meat on sale anywhere, ever. I am certain that the number of dog-eaters in Canada is much smaller than the number of people convicted of armed robbery. If there is an article about the topic of eating dog meat, it is because it is shocking - you never see an article, "Some Canadians discovered eating sardines!" My point of view is completely in accordance with the facts in Canada, and anyone who attempts to promote the blatant falsehood that eating things like dogs, roadkill, etc. is somehow "normal" or "acceptable" in Canada is someone with a propaganda agenda that violates NPOV. There is no law in Canada against chopping off your fingers and eating them, just as there is no law against eating dogs or abortions. Why? Because virtually nobody does these things. If they did, there would be a newspaper story about it, but one would twisted to construe that story as a "citation" to justify the viewpoint that Canadians eat dogs, abortions, fingers, etc. I suspect that the number of Canadians who eat dogmeat is roughly the same as the number who eat roadkill. It is time someone did surveys on these things. I'm looking into it. Also First Nations people do not consider themselves "Canadians". They insist on keeping their own remaining lands under treaties with Canada on a nation-to-nation basis. (Please follow the recent newspapers in Canada if you don't understand this.) Never say "Some Canadians eat dog meat" when you mean, "A tiny number of First Nations people eat dog meat on their reservations within Canada." The only other people who are suspected of eating dogs are very recent immigrants from certain backward parts of Asia who have not yet learned that eating dogs is socially unacceptable in Canada, and even in that case, it would be done completely underground and out of sight. It's similar to polygamy: polygamists who married several wives where it is legal are accepted by Canadian law (even though it is abhorent to Canadians) while marrying more than one wife IN Canada is illegal. There is a resistance in Canada to fundamental changes, and introducing dog-eating and polygamy will be met with opposition. 77Mike77 ( talk) 17:11, 24 February 2013 (UTC)
You are violating NPOV by trying to promote the one-sided view that dog-eating is an acceptable, non-controversial practice in Canada, which it is not. There is very strong opposition to it here. Do not propagate falsehoods about Canada and expect them to go unchallenged. The fact that you find eating abortions offensive shows a value judgment on your part, and the fact that you find it unacceptable to compare dog-eating to abortion-eating implies that you don't have a problem with dog-eating. If you are posting from Korea, fine, that is your business, but you cannot expect the Canadian section of this article to adhere to a Korean point of view. The opening of this article, with a nutrient breakdown, violates NPOV. Would you have a nutrient breakdown of human meat in an article about cannibalism? Is wikipedia a cookbook, do you think? This article has parts that do take into consideration the controversy and the cruelty issues. Please re-read the yellow boxes about the animal rights aspects of the article and reconsider your comments. 77Mike77 ( talk) 00:30, 25 February 2013 (UTC)
Thank you for your fair and reasonable comment. I will be looking for some references before developing something to add. This is a topic that is "under the radar" in Canada, in some ways, and there is very little written about it. There are animal rights sites, but they would probably be considered non-NPOV. Many others have an overtly anti-animal-rights agenda so are also non-NPOV. Newspapers and magazines are not exactly sources of unbiased truth, unless rhey are reporting specific facts, e.g. a survey result. I'm working on it and will be back. 77Mike77 ( talk) 05:48, 25 February 2013 (UTC)
According to Apple Daily, in Yulin, Guangxi the locals are celebrating the lychee dog meat festival and they will kill more than 100,000 dogs.
People of Guangxi celebrating dog meat festival 100,000 dogs will be killed
Hong Kong Apple Daily 21 June 2013 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 116.49.202.169 ( talk) 07:16, 21 June 2013 (UTC)
The info provided in this article about my country is false; if one reads this page will think that dog meat is common in Switzerland, like in Korea or other Asian countries. It's not, and it's forbidden by law. That news from Appenzell is an old story about some crazy farmer. Just because some TV aired a show about this in 1996 doesn't mean that it's a national thing. Writing "dog meat is consumed in Switzerland, China, etc." is totally untrue. Proof? The German version of this article, with law-links. You can't find dog meat in Switzerland: either in shops, either in restaurants. Get your facts correct before writing "dog meat consuming is common in Switzerland" please. The "Switzerland" part of the article is correct, but you can't cite Switzerland at the beginning of the article as "eating dog counrty" because it's not true and gives false information about my country. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A02:120B:2C61:25F0:C504:E74F:80DC:1654 ( talk) 16:49, 18 July 2013 (UTC)
Anna Frodesiak ( talk) 21:25, 24 February 2013 (UTC)
I saw my edit about dog meat in Poland was reversed. The information I posted is true and covered by law, isn't only a cultural taboo (meat, fat etc). This is why people mentioned in the article in English face criminal charges,because they killed dogs, not being for example vets who eustanize sick animals.(article 33 in Polish animal wellfare law states when an animal can be killed-there are 6 points regarding it-and who is qualified to do it, methods of possible humane killing,etc) I was thinking the article was giving enough supporting information. Maybe quoting in addition, plus providing links to documents (in Polish) regulating situation of animals, animal rights, animal abuse will clarify this?
Also not in all rural areas the belief is held, in some, yes. Bialosz ( talk) 20:03, 26 March 2014 (UTC)
Dog eating is not done by everyone in Korea. Does it exist? Yes, but it isn't something that is done by everyone, as a matter of fact, most people don't. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.49.180.8 ( talk) 07:34, 13 August 2013 (UTC)
Excuse me, but Koreans don't really eat dogs these days. It was past ago when they ate dog meat. Also, the dog meat they ate was edible dogs, not pet dogs. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 110.8.26.5 ( talk) 13:14, 3 November 2013 (UTC)
If you have references that some do, it should be clarified that some do. The Korea part is so written that nothing suggests that it is practiced by some, when you talk about "cuisine" the text suggests that it is common. According to Korean animal right activists most Koreans don't eat dog meat, and don't want to be associated with this practice.See the last paragraph by KARA (Korean Animal Rights Advocates). To me this source is as reliable as for ex. PETA.
http://animalrightskorea.org/dog-meat-issue/the-history-of-koreas-dog-meat-industry.html
Such subjects need to be treated with cultural sensitivity.Even though most Koreans don't eat dog meat, nor tried it, there is a stereotype about Koreans. If ethnic stereotypes exist, care needs to be taken not to perpetuate them by not mentioning that it is not practiced by most people. Here in this video Korean university students confront common held stereotypes mention dog eating too.
http://telcmediacenter.blogspot.com/2011/11/korean-university-students-confronting.html
The video isn't reliable source, but is reliable to show the stereotypes. Too many people rely on information on wikipedia, so, certain subjects need to be treated carefully, or maybe an anthropologist should read them too? Bialosz ( talk) 00:07, 27 March 2014 (UTC)
The Manchu people/ Jurchen people do not eat dogs, harm or kill dogs, or use resulting from the killing of dogs. which distinguishes them from Koreans.
http://gbtimes.com/life/manchu-modern-china
The Jurchens even regarded what Koreans did to dogs at the "utmost evil". Page 131 on top, Page 18 on botton.
http://www.ritsumei.ac.jp/acd/cg/lt/rb/601/601PDF/aisin.pdf
Rajmaan ( talk) 09:02, 19 April 2014 (UTC)
http://www.cnn.com/2013/06/02/world/asia/thailand-dogs/
http://www.globalpost.com/dispatch/thailand/091123/eating-dogs-dog-meat-mafia-capture
http://www.theguardian.com/environment/video/2013/may/20/dog-meat-mafia-thailand-video
http://www.theglobalmail.org/feature/dog-meat-mafia-inside-thailands-smuggling-trade/616/
http://www.examiner . com/ article/vietnam-dog-meat-industry-does-torture-make-the-meat-tastier
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/sep/27/eating-dog-vietnam-thailand-kate-hodal
http://www.thedailymeal.com/9-countries-eat-cats-and-dogs-slideshow
http://www.thedailymeal.com/9-countries-eat-cats-and-dogs/11414
http://www.thedropoutdiaries.com/2012/11/the-truth-about-cats-dogs-in-vietnam/
http://saynotodogmeat.net/2014/06/06/vietnam-dog-and-cat-meat-restaurant-signs/
http://www.petitionbuzz.com/petitions/vietnam
http://blogs.miaminewtimes.com/shortorder/2014/04/i_ate_dog_meat_in_vietnam.php
https://www.causes.com/campaigns/70849-stop-dog-and-cat-meat-smugglers-from-thailand-vietnam
http://www.thedropoutdiaries.com/2012/11/the-truth-about-cats-dogs-in-vietnam/
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/sep/27/eating-dog-vietnam-thailand-kate-hodal
http://www.animals24-7.org/2014/06/08/dog-meat-traffic-still-spreads-rabies-in-vietnam/
Rajmaan ( talk) 22:28, 23 June 2014 (UTC)
The image used for this article was clearly chosen to evoke an emotional response and should be changed. Look up any other article about a specific animal's meat and they are not anything like this one.
216.246.130.20 ( talk) 17:34, 19 November 2013 (UTC)
I agree. It could also upset children who stumble on this page. 109.149.66.61 ( talk) 20:16, 2 June 2014 (UTC)
This edit caught my eye, the edit summary of which says "Mainland China: I'm native Cantonese speaker the pronunciation of dog and nine is not same you can ask local Hong Konger to proof". I have not reverted it but, of course, it is WP:OR and asking local Hong Kongers for proof doesn't meet WP:RS requirements. I haven't looked hard for sources satisfying RS requirements to support differing assertions re this (see WP:DUE), but I did see [7], [8], [9], [10], and others. Wtmitchell (talk) (earlier Boracay Bill) 08:17, 28 October 2014 (UTC)
I can not see the point of the 2 collapsible tables in "Mainland China". I propose these be deleted.DrChrissy (talk) 18:10, 20 May 2015 (UTC)
Dog smuggling trade from Thailand to Vietnam.
http://www.scmp.com/magazines/post-magazine/article/1644440/love-dog
Rajmaan ( talk) 15:57, 28 May 2015 (UTC)
http://eng.mynewshub.cc/2015/04/02/vietnamese-girl-cries-as-she-finds-her-lost-dog-dead-cooked/
http://www.thestar.com.my/News/Regional/2015/04/02/Vietnamese-girl-Dog-Cooked/
http://www.scoopnest.com/user/Daily_Star/582612517106659328
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9bzNNzuWywM
Please consider including this information.
— Wavelength ( talk) 20:59, 15 June 2015 (UTC)
I don't know whether it's a significant factor at this point, but John Barrowman recently linked to this page, albeit indirectly, on Twitter (the actual message is in the TMI link which, in turn, links to this page via a t.co shortened URL that's apparently blacklisted on Wikipedia). I know there's a template for that, but I don't know whether it's really called for here or not. While there's been an uptick in IP edits recently, some were clearly beneficial, and none have called for the deletion of the page as suggested in the post. – Robin Hood (talk) 17:54, 22 June 2015 (UTC)
Per WP:LEADIMAGE, "Lead images should be selected to be of least shock value; if an alternative image exists that still is an accurate representation of the topic but without shock value, it should always be preferred." The current image shows the partially dismembered head and torso of a dog, which (though an accurate depiction of the topic) is unnecessarily graphic and should not be used per this guideline. Other articles about meat types (e.g. Beef, Chicken (food), Whale meat) tend to show the animal's meat in isolation or in a prepared state, rather than showing the process of butchery. Similarly, this article should use a less graphic image, perhaps in conjunction with an image of the livestock animal from which the meat is derived, following the example of the Beef article. 73.223.96.73 ( talk) 02:03, 11 May 2015 (UTC)
Image E is the least offensive. It puts the sale of dog meat in it's cultural context which makes it less disturbing. The first image (a) is far too graphic for Wikipedia.
Article | Lead image |
Beef | Raw cut of meat |
Cat | Live animal |
Chicken (food) | Prepared |
Duck (food) | Prepared |
Elephant meat | Illustration of elephant being shot |
Goat meat | In preparation |
Horse meat | Raw, sliced meat |
Kangaroo meat | Raw cuts of meat |
Lamb and mutton | Raw cuts of meat |
Pork | Raw cut of meat |
Quails in cookery | In preparation |
Squab (food) | Prepared |
Turkey meat | Prepared |
Veal | Dressed carcasses |
Venison | Raw cut of meat |
Whale meat | Raw cuts in market |
Well, it has been three days, and no self-revert. I'm going to revert to the last stable version and leave the live dog image. Please use WP:BRD here to get consensus for a non-raw meat lead image. Anna Frodesiak ( talk) 20:16, 13 May 2015 (UTC)
The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
There is some disagreement about what the lead image for the Dog meat article should be. The current image shows a raw, skinned dog head and torso. Concerns have been raised about the graphicness of this image per WP:LEADIMAGE. Possible alternatives include other images of raw dog meat, or images of prepared or cooked dog meat. 73.223.96.73 ( talk) 05:30, 18 May 2015 (UTC)
comment One of the problems I see here is that we need to be careful not to sanitize the origins of our meat. The article Lamb contains a lead image including the bone/leg of the animal whereas Ham does not and Pork has a picture of an entire pig being roasted. The line between non-sanitized and gory is a thin one and influenced by many subjective/cultural factors. I have to say that as someone from the UK who eats meat, I respond differently to an image of a slow-roasting dog compared to a slow-roasting pig. However, I have to acknowledge this is a hypocritical attitude on my part. Perhaps we need to develop guidelines on this?DrChrissy (talk) 11:33, 20 May 2015 (UTC)
comment I have just read WP:LEADIMAGE and this states "Lead images should be selected to be of least shock value; if an alternative image exists that still is an accurate representation of the topic but without shock value, it should always be preferred."(my emphasis) I think this means that of the 5 candidates above, D is clearly the only choice. However, as Anna points out, this is a guideline. The WP:NOTCENSORED policy discusses images that might be "objectionable" and says "..."being objectionable" is generally not sufficient grounds for the removal (or inclusion) of content." (my emphasis). I do not wish to go against policy, but I feel this might be one of those "generally" exceptions. I have seen many images on animal-welfare related articles deleted because they are objectionable, and often agreed because they seem to have been selected for their high level of shock-value. If we go down the route that not showing these types of images (in the lead) is censorship and therefore they should be allowed, we could end up with a real horror show on animal/meat related articles.DrChrissy (talk) 15:17, 20 May 2015 (UTC)
comment This has been discussed before and as I recall we thought the important thing was that pictures should be clearly of the thing that they depicting. If one picture doesn't clearly and obviously show something, it's not as good as a more unmistakable image. So while picture D of the steamed meat will be chosen by pretty much aesthetic grounds alone, how clearly is it a picture of the referent of this article and not something else? Picture D is easily mistakable for another kind of meat. The other pictures are unmistakably the referent of this article. That picture D is nice to look at, but being nice to look at isn't the only important criterion. A picture should not look like something else. So that's why we decided to use the least ugly of those pictures that don't look as if they could be anything else. Chrisrus ( talk) 07:16, 22 May 2015 (UTC)
This sentence is illogical. Firstly, it can be either "2015" or "per year", but those two together doesn't make any sense. Secondly, it's a huge difference between 10 and 20 million. If you can't narrow down the number, then don't give any number. But this way, it seems like they just want to have any number to scare people. -- 2.245.84.38 ( talk) 19:51, 23 June 2015 (UTC)
Apologies for the language.
The Daily Fail is a horrible source for almost any item, but particularly in relation to cross cultural "scandals" its tabloid roots, heart and soul completely show through in screaming red top glory. -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 15:19, 24 June 2015 (UTC)
@ User:Alexbrn - your last revert deleted a source which is not being discussed here. Please self revert.DrChrissy (talk) 16:41, 24 June 2015 (UTC)
( ←) DrChrissy, can you please establish which specific reference you believe should be reinstated. I've been following along, and even I don't see what it is you're referring to. There were only two non-Daily Mail references that were removed along with the Daily Mail ones: the CNBC one that the others have addressed and the careforchineseanimals.net one, which appears to be a WordPress blog that you need an account to view. Blogs, at least in the sense of personal blogs, are by definition not reliable sources (with a rare few exceptions, like sources about themselves). So which of these two do you believe should be reinstated and why? – Robin Hood (talk) 03:42, 25 June 2015 (UTC)
Kleuske ( talk) 12:12, 30 June 2015 (UTC)
I have made some edits the lead and various sections throughout the article due to bad syntax of writing, poorly worded sections and some nonsense about 'tunch' (excuse me if it is a cultural word, I mean no offense, though it should have a link or definition).
https://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Dog_meat&type=revision&diff=675256249&oldid=675246883 is a link to the revisions I have made. If anyone has any particular concerns about my edits, feel free to leave a comment under a sub-section title of the edited section, e.g. if you have concerns about my edits to the Lede, use the sub-section title "Lede", and so on.
Dr Crazy 102 ( talk) 11:13, 9 August 2015 (UTC)
This has been a chronic problem for some years now. None of the other "meat" articles show lead photo's that are there for shock value. The lead photo should be representative of the dog meat as food and not POV of particular editors. The Request for Comment below unfortunately seems to have only considered similar photos that were taken for "shock value". Please assist in finding an appropriate photograph that is representative of dog meat as food. Feel free to share candidates below for comment. Thank you. Melonbarmonster2 ( talk) 20:31, 26 August 2015 (UTC)
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Should we include scandals where dog meat was sold in countries for consumption where dog meat is officially forbidden by religious rules?
dog meat morocco
Morocco in grip of DOG MEAT scandal after ... - Daily Mail http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2319538/Morocco-grip-DOG-MEAT-scandal-police-carcasses-pets-destined-restaurants.html
www.dailymail.co.uk/.../Morocco-grip-DOG-MEAT-scandal-... Daily Mail May 4, 2013 - Authorities in Morocco have launched an investigation into the illegal trade of dog meat after 37 carcasses were discovered in the back of a ...
Islam For Today - Morocco in grip of DOG MEAT scandal... https://www.facebook.com/IslamForToday/posts/494228650642880
https://www.facebook.com/IslamForToday/posts/494228650642880 Morocco in grip of DOG MEAT scandal after police find carcasses of pets destined for restaurants Police in Casablanca find 37 dog carcasses in back of...
DOG MEAT IN MOROCCO - YouTube https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lBaIkTZ24AY
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lBaIkTZ24AY Sep 15, 2015 - Uploaded by MAROC MED!A DOG MEAT IN MOROCCO ... I Ate DOG MEAT for Dinner - SUPPORT YULIN 2015!! - Duration: ... Pet dog ...
Dog meat Sausage Scandal Grips Morocco as Owners Fight ... http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/dog-meat-scandal-morocco-casablanca-ban-aggressive-464618
www.ibtimes.co.uk/dog-meat-scandal-moro... International Business Times May 5, 2013 - Illegal trading of dog meat sparks police probe in Morocco after a man from Casablanca was arrested with the dog carcasses meant for ...
Morocco in grip of DOG MEAT scandal after police find ... http://www.wardheernews.com/morocco-in-grip-of-dog-meat-scandal-after-police-find-carcasses-of-pets-destined-for-restaurants/
www.wardheernews.com/morocco-in-grip-of-dog-meat-scandal-after-polic... May 5, 2013 - Authorities in Morocco have launched an investigation into the illegal trade of dog meat after 37 carcasses were discovered in the back of a ...
Morocco in grip of DOG MEAT scandal after ... - Pinterest https://www.pinterest.com/pin/239605642648606946/
https://www.pinterest.com/pin/239605642648606946/ Pinterest Horrific images show caged dogs at restaurants in China where they are about to be killed and eaten The shocking photos show dogs being killed and cooked ...
Disgusting dog meat scandal in Morocco • Ethiopian News Forum - Mereja http://mereja.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=52485
mereja.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=52485 May 6, 2013 - 2 posts - 1 author Morocco in grip of DOG MEAT scandal after police find carcasses of pets destined for restaurants. Police in Casablanca find 37 dog carcasses ...
Mohammed Hersi on Twitter: "Morocco in grip of DOG MEAT ... https://twitter.com/mohammedhersi/status/331008659599532032
https://twitter.com/mohammedhersi/status/331008659599532032 Morocco in grip of DOG MEAT scandal after police find carcasses of pets ... @hersimohammed The only safe place to eat meat is in the village when you can ...
Dog meat - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia /info/en/?search=Dangogi
/info/en/?search=Dangogi Wikipedia Jump to Morocco - Morocco[edit]. Islamic law bans the eating of dog meat as does the government of Morocco, however the consumption of dog meat still ... /info/en/?search=Dangogi
'Dog meat' fear keeps Moroccan diners away - Emirates 24|7 http://www.emirates247.com/offbeat/crazy-world/dog-meat-fear-keeps-moroccan-diners-away-2013-05-05-1.505214
www.emirates247.com/.../dog-meat-fear-keeps-moroccan-din... Emirates 24/7 May 5, 2013 - Police in Morocco are investigating the illegal trade of dog meat after 37 carcasses were found in a butcher's vehicle, according to the Daily ...
Shoppers who ate DONKEY passed off as beef in Egypt told ... www.dailymail.co.uk/.../Shoppers-ate-DONKEY-meat-passed-be...Daily Mail Jun 19, 2015 - Head of Egyptian Food Safety Authority Hussein Mansour (pictured) said eating donkey meat is perfectly safe and admitted blissfully unaware ...
dog meat pakistan
Pakistani eaten DOG meat it as Goat meat - Shocking ... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GXgErrw9Hco
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GXgErrw9Hco Mar 5, 2015 - Uploaded by Indo-Pak News In Karachi two butchers are selling dog meat to the public under the guise of goat meat at last Six months.
Dog meat seller in Pakistan - YouTube https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=edQAGRir_Nc
▶ 0:13 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=edQAGRir_Nc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=edQAGRir_Nc Oct 22, 2011 - Uploaded by TheAsianSocietyuk Mehrab Pur a msn arrested selling dog meat He says one doesn't Ned to go to Far East to enjoy these ...
Private channel accused of staging sale of dog meat in ... http://dunyanews.tv/en/Pakistan/264747-Private-channel-accused-of-staging-sale-of-dog-mea
dunyanews.tv/.../Pakistan/264747-Private-channel-accused-... Dunya News Mar 3, 2015 - KARACHI (Dunya News) – As many as two people on Monday have been arrested for selling dog meat in Ibrahim Hyderi area of Korangi.
Men Caught Selling Dog Meat In Karachi - Video Dailymotion http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x2igusk
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Men Caught Selling Dog Meat In Karachi. Repost · sm_raza1 ... 02:00. PIA another incompetence left dead ...
Dog meat cutting in Karachi - Video Dailymotion http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x2ippzc
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Watch the video «Dog meat cutting in Karachi» uploaded by azamjee on ... Saudia Arab is friend of Pakistan ...
Selling dog meat: Butchers 'branching out' of their market ... http://tribune.com.pk/story/90118/selling-dog-meat-butchers-branching-out-of-their-market/
tribune.com.pk › Pakistan › Punjab The Express Tribune Dec 15, 2010 - Dog and donkey meat being sold to hotels and vendors in Okara. ... In the “Islamic Republic of Pakistan” only this happens. And then we talk ...
Two held for selling dog meat in Karachi - Daily Pakistan ... http://en.dailypakistan.com.pk/pakistan/2-held-for-selling-dogs-meat-under-nose-of-cops-kmc/
en.dailypakistan.com.pk/pakistan/2-held-for-selling-dogs-meat-under-no... Mar 2, 2015 - KARACHI (Web Desk) – The revelation about sale of dog meat in a neighbourhood of Karachi under the very nose of police and Karachi ...
Pakistani eaten DOG meat it as Goat meat... - Chandu ... https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=697591880352342
https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=697591880352342 Facebook [MUST WATCH] [ MUST SHARE] [VIDEO OF THE DAY] Pakistani eaten DOG meat it as Goat meat - Shocking !! Disgusting!!! [OR YA HARAM KHOR VIKARI ...
VIDEO - PAKISTAN - KARACHI DOG MEAT... - Say No To ... https://www.facebook.com/SayNoToDogMeat/posts/417405381773881
https://www.facebook.com/SayNoToDogMeat/posts/417405381773881 VIDEO - PAKISTAN - KARACHI DOG MEAT EXPOSED In Karachi, Pakistan, two butchers were caught red-handed, slaughtering dogs and selling them for dog ...
Dog Meat Being Sold In Markets | Express News http://expressnewzpk.com/dog-meat-being-sold-in-markets/
expressnewzpk.com/dog-meat-being-sold-in-markets/ Sep 19, 2015 - In Pakistan, there is lack of education and awareness about healthcare. Butchers of Karachi have been caught in a market selling dog meat to ...
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The result of the move request was: no consensus to move. SST flyer 10:26, 30 June 2016 (UTC)
Dog meat →
Dog as food – After recent discussion at
Duck as food, several pages have been moved from
X (food) to
X as food. I suggest that for consistency, we also move this article to
Dog as food. Comments welcome. DrChrissy
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Could someone please have a look? United States of America --> United States may be best. It used to start with how "dog" means sausage, and now start with "unfortunately". Both not so good. Shouldn't it start with legality, history of eating it in the US, etc.? I'll leave this to others because I haven't been in touch with this article for some time and I cannot access that NYT piece. Cheers. :) Anna Frodesiak ( talk) 20:06, 12 August 2016 (UTC)
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I've seen a claim repeated in several anti-dog-meat sources, as well as in this article ( Dog meat § Torture for health or culinary benefits), that sellers of dog meat intentionally inflict pain and suffering on the animals to enhance the flavor or supposed health benefits of the meat. Is this a real practice, or is this a myth propagated by opponents of dog meat consumption to make it seem more cruel? It would be helpful to have verification from a source with a neutral or pro-dog-meat stance. The current sources for this claim are both Western sources that are criticizing the practice of eating dog meat, so they may be presenting a distorted view of the subject. 2601:644:0:DBD0:C45F:EA34:74F8:226 ( talk) 20:48, 18 June 2017 (UTC)
Is it possible to add anything related to the taste of dog meat, as is present for example in the "Goat meat" page? As well, more on the ways and means of cooking dog meat would be of interest. I get that eating this animal is taboo in the west but that shouldn't be relevant. 218.55.112.18 ( talk) 08:49, 23 July 2017 (UTC)