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The article could benefit from discussion of objections to the use of words such as 'pedigreed' and 'purebred' to describe hybrids. Also, the ethics/legality involved in F1 crosses of purebred, registered dogs, as most breed clubs specifically forbid such crosses, and legitimate breeders 'forbid' (for whatever difference that makes) the breeding of 'pet quality' dogs. I can't think of any brilliant way to word this JATM. Quill 22:01, 15 September 2005 (UTC)
Please go here to here ( Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Yorkiepoo) to express your opinion. Thanks. Elf | Talk 18:00, 18 January 2006 (UTC)
Hi, I saw this cute dog in Western Australia and found out what it was (and the kids really loved it). Was putting a thumb here OK? cheers -- Cas Liber — Preceding undated comment made 03:29, 25 May 2006 (UTC)
Anyone else think this list is excessively long and imaginative at times? "Gerbrador Sheptriever", for example, is amusing, but doesn't appear to be a recognized term. Zetawoof( ζ) 21:44, 9 January 2007 (UTC)
Agreed. It's obvious that some of those names are just made up. A "Hug"? Really!
Mister Gallagher 21:55, 22 July 2007 (UTC)
I propose the complete elimination of this list and the creation of a prose section detailing how the names are created, and speaking of the most notable (verified by sources) types. VanTucky (talk) 16:46, 15 August 2007 (UTC)
"Famous mutts" doesn't really have anything in particular to do with crossbreeds. Also "Benji" was a mixed breed dog JoKing 02:50, 24 September 2007 (UTC)
This article has some major problems. It's basically an advertisement for "designer dogs." There is some fierce criticism of the designer dog fad, but this article barely mentions any of it. For example, what about the fact that these mutts are often bred by puppy mills and other unscrupulous breeders trying to make a quick buck? The article discusses one Labradoodle breeder's attempts to ensure healthy dogs, but his genetic testing is the exception, not the rule. Also, I very strongly oppose titling this page "Dog Hybrid" because the article itself states that hybrids are crosses of two different species, not different breeds of the same species. Unless someone offers a valid reason for preferring "Dog Hybrid," I'm going to change the title to "Designer Dog." Compuandy ( talk) 20:28, 23 October 2008 (UTC)
Good for you guys, seriously; however, this page is for discussing this article, not your dogs. no offense intended - I love dogs. yEvb0 20:31, 17 April 2006 (UTC)
Need to think up a name for my hybrid. He's a Jack Russel/Pomeranian mix. Only 8 weeks old and smart a whip already. Fantastic mix.
I know you're joking, but let's not encourage calling portmanteau crosses "breeds". Unless the AKC and CKC start accepting Laborrots, that is. Nora Bayes ( talk) 20:07, 4 May 2008 (UTC)
Hey i was just wondering if any one had bred a German Shepherd with an Alaskin Malamute and if any one could tell me the pros and cons of this? ( Danila Moosw ( talk) 00:23, 30 October 2008 (UTC))
Are dog cross-breeds always fertile - both male and female? If so, is use of the term "hybrid" accurate? In mammalian interspecies hybrids, males are typically infertile. Are dog breeds, in fact, species distinct? Virgil H. Soule ( talk) 03:03, 27 January 2009 (UTC)
I am just reccomending various resources that you can use to contribute to this article.
1) Dogs 101 Designer Dogs Episode 2) Designer Dogs (A Book that creates a breed standard for popular hybrid dogs.)
Please check these out and help contribute. I'd do it myself, but I don't want to screw up somebody's 12 hours of nonstop work. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Lizzie07 ( talk • contribs) 01:33, 26 February 2010 (UTC)
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A crossbreed of two parents with hip dysplasia, will have hip dysplasia. That goes for all genetic diseases, which are normally shared by multiple breeds. Therefore cross breeding these breeds, might have a financial advantage, as no breed club will ask for health certificates, when you sell them at high prices. Apart from this, puppy mills, were crossbreeds are normally breed, don't just cross breed pure breds. But anything that moves and has cute appeal. Great Spiel for the puppy mill industry, article without background knowledge or critcal view on the topic. but who really knows — Preceding unsigned comment added by 130.102.158.19 ( talk) 06:13, 7 February 2012 (UTC)
Reading it, the "Designer Dogs" section in this article seems to have a very serious partisan slant, and in fact doesn't seem to have any purpose beyond an attempt to refute the phrase "designer dog" as a slander. For example, the section likens the breeding of these "designer dogs" to the practice of breeding any breed, without acknowledging that in many cases it's only the first-generation hybrids that are desirable, whereas traditionally, breeders attempt to make the dogs "breed true." I'm not really even trying to pick a side here, but the section is just incredibly slanted and cites no sources.
I thought about just trying to fix the section myself, but upon reviewing it, I'm not really entirely sure why it's there, and I would probably just prefer to delete it, but I figured I'd try the talk page before I did that. -- Ben.c ( talk) 20:42, 19 August 2008 (UTC)
The result of the proposal was move per request.-- Fuhghettaboutit ( talk) 00:58, 9 August 2012 (UTC)
Dog hybrid → Crossbred dog – Move this article to crossbred dog as per WP:COMMONNAME. Chrisrus ( talk) 02:09, 19 July 2012 (UTC)
I am removing the material in the Designer Dogs section and replacing it with information that I have been able to document. -- Hafwyn ( talk) 19:33, 15 September 2008 (UTC)
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The result of the move request was: moved. Jenks24 ( talk) 09:23, 29 March 2013 (UTC)
– "Crossbred dogs" implies individual dogs that are crossbreeds, not the 'standardised crossbreeds' themselves. Armbrust The Homunculus 05:34, 20 March 2013 (UTC)
This page is starting to get clogged with personal pet pics, again. Let's keep an eye on new additions. One small pic per section is more than enough. One of the dogs posted is a missing dog - Please either place that by his picture are place another know to have an owner dog there- This is the cattle dog / jack russell picture on the left - His missing posts can be found here http://www.lostmydoggie.com/details.cfm?petid=59377# or here https://www.facebook.com/LostFoundCattleDogsUSA/photos/a.1487511778134835.1073741829.1482195718666441/1513854605500552/?type=3&theater
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I propose to merge Poodle crossbreed into this article. Poodle crossbreed is a terribly sourced article and whilst poodle crossbreds they are relatively common within the modern designer crossbreed world I don't think the subject is notable enough for a standalone article. Given there is little information about poodle crossbreeds that is reliably sourced in the current article, a redirect may suffice. Cavalryman ( talk) 01:11, 16 June 2020 (UTC).
I only just got interested in this article, I'd appreciate my input being taken into consideration on this. Let's extend voting for a time and get other views. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.183.144.120 ( talk) 23:49, 24 June 2020 (UTC)
You are edit warring, I want this change discussed in good faith before the changes are made. You do not own this page, this is a community edited page and we discuss things before prodeding. Are you saying my input here is not welcome, or is not being considered? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.183.144.120 ( talk) 01:35, 25 June 2020 (UTC)
OK. I am pinging several admins for stalking, harassment, and edit warring. You literally followed me to another talk page, and closed my discussion. You then undo all my changes here while accusing me of edit warring and removing my votes in opposition to your changes. Your response is pinging a token admin who seemingly supports you on all issues. I'll be reaching above your friend on this one. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.183.144.120 ( talk) 01:54, 25 June 2020 (UTC)
I propose a rewrite of this article. Why is there such a long section on "designer dogs" and a bizarre subsection about "defects?" Cross breeding is not new.
The history section is also missing a great deal of juicy and well-citable detail, such as the entire and detailed origin of all the Victorian-era dog breeds that were basically just inbred lines of crosses. The Golden Retriever pedigree contains many cross breeds, such as Wavy Coated Retriever crossed with an Irish Setter. See: https://grca.org/about-the-breed/breed-history/brief-history-of-the-golden-retriever/
Right from the official breed club, and they even have an extensive bibliography.
Considering how historically important these cross breeds are in the creation of so many of our dog breeds, the history section in this article has the potential to be quite extensive and well sourced. It might also be interesting to observe which crosses were popular during which time period, and who was buying them and for what purpose and what they were called.
There are also modern genetic studies that show something of a "family tree" of dogs, where you can visually see the origins of many dog breeds and how they are mainly just inbred crosses of other dogs. For example, this excellent Nature article has such a family tree that was created with a large scale genetic survey of dogs. See Figure 1: https://www.nature.com/articles/nature08837 It is behind a paywall but I have a copy of it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.183.144.120 ( talk) 17:19, 22 June 2020 (UTC)
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The article could benefit from discussion of objections to the use of words such as 'pedigreed' and 'purebred' to describe hybrids. Also, the ethics/legality involved in F1 crosses of purebred, registered dogs, as most breed clubs specifically forbid such crosses, and legitimate breeders 'forbid' (for whatever difference that makes) the breeding of 'pet quality' dogs. I can't think of any brilliant way to word this JATM. Quill 22:01, 15 September 2005 (UTC)
Please go here to here ( Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Yorkiepoo) to express your opinion. Thanks. Elf | Talk 18:00, 18 January 2006 (UTC)
Hi, I saw this cute dog in Western Australia and found out what it was (and the kids really loved it). Was putting a thumb here OK? cheers -- Cas Liber — Preceding undated comment made 03:29, 25 May 2006 (UTC)
Anyone else think this list is excessively long and imaginative at times? "Gerbrador Sheptriever", for example, is amusing, but doesn't appear to be a recognized term. Zetawoof( ζ) 21:44, 9 January 2007 (UTC)
Agreed. It's obvious that some of those names are just made up. A "Hug"? Really!
Mister Gallagher 21:55, 22 July 2007 (UTC)
I propose the complete elimination of this list and the creation of a prose section detailing how the names are created, and speaking of the most notable (verified by sources) types. VanTucky (talk) 16:46, 15 August 2007 (UTC)
"Famous mutts" doesn't really have anything in particular to do with crossbreeds. Also "Benji" was a mixed breed dog JoKing 02:50, 24 September 2007 (UTC)
This article has some major problems. It's basically an advertisement for "designer dogs." There is some fierce criticism of the designer dog fad, but this article barely mentions any of it. For example, what about the fact that these mutts are often bred by puppy mills and other unscrupulous breeders trying to make a quick buck? The article discusses one Labradoodle breeder's attempts to ensure healthy dogs, but his genetic testing is the exception, not the rule. Also, I very strongly oppose titling this page "Dog Hybrid" because the article itself states that hybrids are crosses of two different species, not different breeds of the same species. Unless someone offers a valid reason for preferring "Dog Hybrid," I'm going to change the title to "Designer Dog." Compuandy ( talk) 20:28, 23 October 2008 (UTC)
Good for you guys, seriously; however, this page is for discussing this article, not your dogs. no offense intended - I love dogs. yEvb0 20:31, 17 April 2006 (UTC)
Need to think up a name for my hybrid. He's a Jack Russel/Pomeranian mix. Only 8 weeks old and smart a whip already. Fantastic mix.
I know you're joking, but let's not encourage calling portmanteau crosses "breeds". Unless the AKC and CKC start accepting Laborrots, that is. Nora Bayes ( talk) 20:07, 4 May 2008 (UTC)
Hey i was just wondering if any one had bred a German Shepherd with an Alaskin Malamute and if any one could tell me the pros and cons of this? ( Danila Moosw ( talk) 00:23, 30 October 2008 (UTC))
Are dog cross-breeds always fertile - both male and female? If so, is use of the term "hybrid" accurate? In mammalian interspecies hybrids, males are typically infertile. Are dog breeds, in fact, species distinct? Virgil H. Soule ( talk) 03:03, 27 January 2009 (UTC)
I am just reccomending various resources that you can use to contribute to this article.
1) Dogs 101 Designer Dogs Episode 2) Designer Dogs (A Book that creates a breed standard for popular hybrid dogs.)
Please check these out and help contribute. I'd do it myself, but I don't want to screw up somebody's 12 hours of nonstop work. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Lizzie07 ( talk • contribs) 01:33, 26 February 2010 (UTC)
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A crossbreed of two parents with hip dysplasia, will have hip dysplasia. That goes for all genetic diseases, which are normally shared by multiple breeds. Therefore cross breeding these breeds, might have a financial advantage, as no breed club will ask for health certificates, when you sell them at high prices. Apart from this, puppy mills, were crossbreeds are normally breed, don't just cross breed pure breds. But anything that moves and has cute appeal. Great Spiel for the puppy mill industry, article without background knowledge or critcal view on the topic. but who really knows — Preceding unsigned comment added by 130.102.158.19 ( talk) 06:13, 7 February 2012 (UTC)
Reading it, the "Designer Dogs" section in this article seems to have a very serious partisan slant, and in fact doesn't seem to have any purpose beyond an attempt to refute the phrase "designer dog" as a slander. For example, the section likens the breeding of these "designer dogs" to the practice of breeding any breed, without acknowledging that in many cases it's only the first-generation hybrids that are desirable, whereas traditionally, breeders attempt to make the dogs "breed true." I'm not really even trying to pick a side here, but the section is just incredibly slanted and cites no sources.
I thought about just trying to fix the section myself, but upon reviewing it, I'm not really entirely sure why it's there, and I would probably just prefer to delete it, but I figured I'd try the talk page before I did that. -- Ben.c ( talk) 20:42, 19 August 2008 (UTC)
The result of the proposal was move per request.-- Fuhghettaboutit ( talk) 00:58, 9 August 2012 (UTC)
Dog hybrid → Crossbred dog – Move this article to crossbred dog as per WP:COMMONNAME. Chrisrus ( talk) 02:09, 19 July 2012 (UTC)
I am removing the material in the Designer Dogs section and replacing it with information that I have been able to document. -- Hafwyn ( talk) 19:33, 15 September 2008 (UTC)
The old section, marked as undocumented:
The result of the move request was: moved. Jenks24 ( talk) 09:23, 29 March 2013 (UTC)
– "Crossbred dogs" implies individual dogs that are crossbreeds, not the 'standardised crossbreeds' themselves. Armbrust The Homunculus 05:34, 20 March 2013 (UTC)
This page is starting to get clogged with personal pet pics, again. Let's keep an eye on new additions. One small pic per section is more than enough. One of the dogs posted is a missing dog - Please either place that by his picture are place another know to have an owner dog there- This is the cattle dog / jack russell picture on the left - His missing posts can be found here http://www.lostmydoggie.com/details.cfm?petid=59377# or here https://www.facebook.com/LostFoundCattleDogsUSA/photos/a.1487511778134835.1073741829.1482195718666441/1513854605500552/?type=3&theater
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I propose to merge Poodle crossbreed into this article. Poodle crossbreed is a terribly sourced article and whilst poodle crossbreds they are relatively common within the modern designer crossbreed world I don't think the subject is notable enough for a standalone article. Given there is little information about poodle crossbreeds that is reliably sourced in the current article, a redirect may suffice. Cavalryman ( talk) 01:11, 16 June 2020 (UTC).
I only just got interested in this article, I'd appreciate my input being taken into consideration on this. Let's extend voting for a time and get other views. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.183.144.120 ( talk) 23:49, 24 June 2020 (UTC)
You are edit warring, I want this change discussed in good faith before the changes are made. You do not own this page, this is a community edited page and we discuss things before prodeding. Are you saying my input here is not welcome, or is not being considered? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.183.144.120 ( talk) 01:35, 25 June 2020 (UTC)
OK. I am pinging several admins for stalking, harassment, and edit warring. You literally followed me to another talk page, and closed my discussion. You then undo all my changes here while accusing me of edit warring and removing my votes in opposition to your changes. Your response is pinging a token admin who seemingly supports you on all issues. I'll be reaching above your friend on this one. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.183.144.120 ( talk) 01:54, 25 June 2020 (UTC)
I propose a rewrite of this article. Why is there such a long section on "designer dogs" and a bizarre subsection about "defects?" Cross breeding is not new.
The history section is also missing a great deal of juicy and well-citable detail, such as the entire and detailed origin of all the Victorian-era dog breeds that were basically just inbred lines of crosses. The Golden Retriever pedigree contains many cross breeds, such as Wavy Coated Retriever crossed with an Irish Setter. See: https://grca.org/about-the-breed/breed-history/brief-history-of-the-golden-retriever/
Right from the official breed club, and they even have an extensive bibliography.
Considering how historically important these cross breeds are in the creation of so many of our dog breeds, the history section in this article has the potential to be quite extensive and well sourced. It might also be interesting to observe which crosses were popular during which time period, and who was buying them and for what purpose and what they were called.
There are also modern genetic studies that show something of a "family tree" of dogs, where you can visually see the origins of many dog breeds and how they are mainly just inbred crosses of other dogs. For example, this excellent Nature article has such a family tree that was created with a large scale genetic survey of dogs. See Figure 1: https://www.nature.com/articles/nature08837 It is behind a paywall but I have a copy of it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.183.144.120 ( talk) 17:19, 22 June 2020 (UTC)
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