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This is throwing some harv errors. When the kaka of the TFA run is over, ping me and I'll fix them for you. PumpkinSky talk 01:18, 6 July 2013 (UTC)
The article says "The Dodo lost the ability to fly due to the lack of mammalian predators on Mauritius". The supporting citation is to Errol Fuller. The following sentence says "The DNA obtained from the Oxford specimen is degraded, and no usable DNA has been extracted from subfossil remains, so these findings still need to be independently verified". I presume "these findings" mean the cladistics rather than the size or flightlessness. If so, the sentence should be moved and I will do so after a suitable wait in case of comment.
The sentence about evolution of flightlessness is summarised in the introduction as "It is presumed that the Dodo became flightless because of the ready availability of abundant food sources and a relative absence of predators on Mauritius". The phrase "it is presumed that" strikes me as unencyclopedic. We ought, perhaps, to ascribe the presumption to the person making it - in this case Fuller. Fuller has written more than one book on the Dodo, but his Wikipedia article makes no mention of any qualification in evolution. I think such a bold statement deserves a more academically qualified support. It is possible that the book itself provides a further reference, but I don't have a copy to check. For the time being, I suggest we adopt the wording used in the Guardian review of one of Fuller's books "the island's lack of predators allowed the dodo to become large and flightless" ( Guardian book review). I propose to alter both the main text and the lead to this effect, once again allowing time for comment.
There is another suitable sourse: "Ecology of a Changing Planet" by Mark B. Bush (see page 323 [1]). Ashmaker ( talk) 01:32, 17 July 2013 (UTC)
Julian Hume wrote ("The History of the Dodo Raphus cucullatus and the Penguin of Mauritius", p.67): The use of the name penguin is interesting. The Portuguese used the name fotilicaios for Cape Penguins Spheniscus demersus in the 16th century (Ley 1960), a species they encountered before reaching Mauritius, so the meaning of the name is probably not derived from the birds that we call “penguins” today, but may be in reference to Portuguese “pinion” (clipped wings), in reference to the small inadequate wings of the Dodo. In the article "Dodo" sense of these words are clipped too much (The meaning may not have been derived from penguin, but from pinion(=>pinioning), a reference to the small wings) and as result truth suffers. Ashmaker ( talk) 14:53, 16 July 2013 (UTC)
Hello! The article ("Extinction") informs: A 2005 expedition found subfossil remains of Dodos and other animals killed by a flash flood. Such mass mortalities would have further jeopardised a species already in danger of becoming extinct (ref #80). But according to Rijsdijk et al. (2009): geomorphological, taphonomic and botanical evidence excludes a catastrophic event, such as a tsunami or volcanic eruption, as the cause for the accumulation (see Introduction: http://si-pddr.si.edu/dspace/bitstream/10088/18486/1/vz_meijer_naturwissenschaften_2012.pdf). Ashmaker ( talk) 05:03, 26 July 2013 (UTC)
Why is "dodo" capitalized? It is a common name, like "zebra." I cite [ discussion here] and the [ Manual of Style,] I was fixing every single mention of the bird in the article, when suddenly I lost the courage of my convictions. What think we? Paul, in Saudi ( talk) 16:04, 6 July 2013 (UTC)
I'm not at all sure what you say about the names of birds makes any sense, and I'm very sure that bird articles are inconsistent anyway, but I'll look into it further. Meanwhile, in the unlikely event that your last sentence isn't disingenuous, "Don't change it" is an order. You are not empowered to issue orders to other editors. Awien ( talk) 19:37, 6 July 2013 (UTC)
It was added that the Dodo appears a sa watermark on the Mauritian rupee, which appears to be correct, but there is no source for it. Anyone able to find a citation? FunkMonk ( talk) 05:54, 26 July 2013 (UTC)
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Please change all instances of "Dodo" to lowercase "dodo," except of course for headings, titles, and where they begin sentences. Dodo is a regular, non-proper noun, and Wikipedia style indicates lowercase for regular nouns, even when they are the subject of the entry. Thank you.
Clevername75 ( talk) 19:44, 12 November 2013 (UTC)
There is a source of etymology of Raphus: "Sigismond Galenius ayant trouvé dans Hésychius le nom de ράφος , dont l'application n'étoit point déterminée, l'appropria de son bon plaisir à l'outarde; et depuis, MM. Moehring et Brisson l'ont appliqué au dronte, sans rendre compte des raisons qui les y ont engagés". de Buffon, Georges-Louis Leclerc "Histoire naturelle" // Œuvres complètes. — Paris: Rapet et Cie, 1818. — Vol. 9. — P. 259. (See: http://books.google.ru/books?id=sj9UAAAAcAAJ&pg=PA259&lpg=PA259&dq=Sigismond+Galenius+hesychius&source=bl&ots=ieLsNj_HtF&sig=vVvU4WOl-cPP1drv8lwniHqIe94&hl=ru&sa=X&ei=CFPNUbq6AuKn4gT28ICYCw&ved=0CC0Q6AEwAQ#v=onepage&q=Sigismond%20Galenius%20hesychius&f=false) Ashmaker ( talk) 05:17, 26 July 2013 (UTC)
The statement "A barber named Louis Etienne Thirioux also found many dodo remains around 1900, which are now lost" [my emphasis] is utterly wrong. Thirioux in fact discovered the only complete skeleton of an individual bird, and his specimens are still on display in Mauritius. May be I'll edit it after dinner. Chhandama ( talk) 11:23, 8 November 2014 (UTC)
Not sure if the reference to this listed source was dropped, but there is currently nothing referring to it: Kallio, H. (2004). The Dodo and Mauritius Island. England: Dewi Lewis Publishing. — Gaff ταλκ 15:40, 14 December 2014 (UTC)
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I think the section on culture should contain a reference to the dodo's depiction in the Looney Tunes cartoon Porky in Wackyland. 174.124.241.73 ( talk) 01:18, 28 December 2014 (UTC) 174.124.241.73 ( talk) 01:18, 28 December 2014 (UTC)
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Unfortunately on a not so professional-looking site - https://sites.google.com/site/dodologistsmiscellany/ by Jolyon Parish. Shyamal ( talk) 03:47, 8 January 2015 (UTC)
the french article has a section about research aiming to re-create the dodo from DNA parts from doodo's remain and non extincted close parents https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dodo_%28oiseau%29#Le_r.C3.A9veil_du_dodo_.3F so er... is it worth adding such a section here? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.235.99.5 ( talk) 10:18, 14 July 2015 (UTC)
Hello. I'm translating this article to portuguese and I need some help. It's hard to understand old english phrases, if somebody write this text in modern english it will be very important to me.
Here they taried 12. daies to refresh themselues, finding in this place great quantity of foules twise as bigge as swans, which they called Walghstocks or Wallowbirdes being very good meat. But finding also aboundance of pidgeons & popiniayes, they disdained any more to eat of those great foules, calling them (as before) Wallowbirds, that is to say, lothsome or fulsome birdes. Of the said Pidgeons and Popiniayes they found great plenty being very fat and good meate, which they could easily take and kil euen with little stickes: so tame they are by reason ý the Isle is not inhabited, neither be the liuing creatures therein accustomed to the sight of men.
Thanks. Dr. Lenaldo Vigo ( talk) 14:31, 12 February 2015 (UTC)
Hello ! :-) Is it possible that a few of these birds thought to be extinct live in Nicobar, a habitat of the Nicobar Pigeon ! Thank you ! Vijay Chary ( talk) 12:05, 20 August 2015 (UTC)
I don't know if it's worth adding in the popular media section, but the Dodo (a toy and a cartoon character) are a major plot element in the TV movie Undercover Angel (film). AugustinMa ( talk) 04:51, 11 March 2016 (UTC)
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Early explorers call the Dodo the "Devil's Chicken." Candyboy808 ( talk) 01:14, 18 March 2016 (UTC)
Not sure if this is relevant, but at one point there's a typo mentioning the year "20011" instead of "2011". Tried to change it but obviously cannot due to the "devil's chicken".
I believe the Dutch settlers/invaders had much to do with Dodo extinction as they started using it to replace poultry as it's meat was considered highly exquisite. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 58.26.207.170 ( talk) 17:33, 7 June 2014 (UTC)
I don't think people ate Dodos, but I do know for a fact that Dodo eggs were eaten by invasive rats Dunkleosteus77 ( talk) 22:08, 9 April 2015 (UTC)
That would be a hard "fact" to prove since you probably weren't there in the 16th century. In the world of reality we call that "hearsay". What you claim to "know" you didn't witness. Maybe you read it somewhere and therefore it's not first-hand knowledge. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 107.12.162.211 ( talk) 08:48, 28 September 2016 (UTC)
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This is throwing some harv errors. When the kaka of the TFA run is over, ping me and I'll fix them for you. PumpkinSky talk 01:18, 6 July 2013 (UTC)
The article says "The Dodo lost the ability to fly due to the lack of mammalian predators on Mauritius". The supporting citation is to Errol Fuller. The following sentence says "The DNA obtained from the Oxford specimen is degraded, and no usable DNA has been extracted from subfossil remains, so these findings still need to be independently verified". I presume "these findings" mean the cladistics rather than the size or flightlessness. If so, the sentence should be moved and I will do so after a suitable wait in case of comment.
The sentence about evolution of flightlessness is summarised in the introduction as "It is presumed that the Dodo became flightless because of the ready availability of abundant food sources and a relative absence of predators on Mauritius". The phrase "it is presumed that" strikes me as unencyclopedic. We ought, perhaps, to ascribe the presumption to the person making it - in this case Fuller. Fuller has written more than one book on the Dodo, but his Wikipedia article makes no mention of any qualification in evolution. I think such a bold statement deserves a more academically qualified support. It is possible that the book itself provides a further reference, but I don't have a copy to check. For the time being, I suggest we adopt the wording used in the Guardian review of one of Fuller's books "the island's lack of predators allowed the dodo to become large and flightless" ( Guardian book review). I propose to alter both the main text and the lead to this effect, once again allowing time for comment.
There is another suitable sourse: "Ecology of a Changing Planet" by Mark B. Bush (see page 323 [1]). Ashmaker ( talk) 01:32, 17 July 2013 (UTC)
Julian Hume wrote ("The History of the Dodo Raphus cucullatus and the Penguin of Mauritius", p.67): The use of the name penguin is interesting. The Portuguese used the name fotilicaios for Cape Penguins Spheniscus demersus in the 16th century (Ley 1960), a species they encountered before reaching Mauritius, so the meaning of the name is probably not derived from the birds that we call “penguins” today, but may be in reference to Portuguese “pinion” (clipped wings), in reference to the small inadequate wings of the Dodo. In the article "Dodo" sense of these words are clipped too much (The meaning may not have been derived from penguin, but from pinion(=>pinioning), a reference to the small wings) and as result truth suffers. Ashmaker ( talk) 14:53, 16 July 2013 (UTC)
Hello! The article ("Extinction") informs: A 2005 expedition found subfossil remains of Dodos and other animals killed by a flash flood. Such mass mortalities would have further jeopardised a species already in danger of becoming extinct (ref #80). But according to Rijsdijk et al. (2009): geomorphological, taphonomic and botanical evidence excludes a catastrophic event, such as a tsunami or volcanic eruption, as the cause for the accumulation (see Introduction: http://si-pddr.si.edu/dspace/bitstream/10088/18486/1/vz_meijer_naturwissenschaften_2012.pdf). Ashmaker ( talk) 05:03, 26 July 2013 (UTC)
Why is "dodo" capitalized? It is a common name, like "zebra." I cite [ discussion here] and the [ Manual of Style,] I was fixing every single mention of the bird in the article, when suddenly I lost the courage of my convictions. What think we? Paul, in Saudi ( talk) 16:04, 6 July 2013 (UTC)
I'm not at all sure what you say about the names of birds makes any sense, and I'm very sure that bird articles are inconsistent anyway, but I'll look into it further. Meanwhile, in the unlikely event that your last sentence isn't disingenuous, "Don't change it" is an order. You are not empowered to issue orders to other editors. Awien ( talk) 19:37, 6 July 2013 (UTC)
It was added that the Dodo appears a sa watermark on the Mauritian rupee, which appears to be correct, but there is no source for it. Anyone able to find a citation? FunkMonk ( talk) 05:54, 26 July 2013 (UTC)
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Please change all instances of "Dodo" to lowercase "dodo," except of course for headings, titles, and where they begin sentences. Dodo is a regular, non-proper noun, and Wikipedia style indicates lowercase for regular nouns, even when they are the subject of the entry. Thank you.
Clevername75 ( talk) 19:44, 12 November 2013 (UTC)
There is a source of etymology of Raphus: "Sigismond Galenius ayant trouvé dans Hésychius le nom de ράφος , dont l'application n'étoit point déterminée, l'appropria de son bon plaisir à l'outarde; et depuis, MM. Moehring et Brisson l'ont appliqué au dronte, sans rendre compte des raisons qui les y ont engagés". de Buffon, Georges-Louis Leclerc "Histoire naturelle" // Œuvres complètes. — Paris: Rapet et Cie, 1818. — Vol. 9. — P. 259. (See: http://books.google.ru/books?id=sj9UAAAAcAAJ&pg=PA259&lpg=PA259&dq=Sigismond+Galenius+hesychius&source=bl&ots=ieLsNj_HtF&sig=vVvU4WOl-cPP1drv8lwniHqIe94&hl=ru&sa=X&ei=CFPNUbq6AuKn4gT28ICYCw&ved=0CC0Q6AEwAQ#v=onepage&q=Sigismond%20Galenius%20hesychius&f=false) Ashmaker ( talk) 05:17, 26 July 2013 (UTC)
The statement "A barber named Louis Etienne Thirioux also found many dodo remains around 1900, which are now lost" [my emphasis] is utterly wrong. Thirioux in fact discovered the only complete skeleton of an individual bird, and his specimens are still on display in Mauritius. May be I'll edit it after dinner. Chhandama ( talk) 11:23, 8 November 2014 (UTC)
Not sure if the reference to this listed source was dropped, but there is currently nothing referring to it: Kallio, H. (2004). The Dodo and Mauritius Island. England: Dewi Lewis Publishing. — Gaff ταλκ 15:40, 14 December 2014 (UTC)
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I think the section on culture should contain a reference to the dodo's depiction in the Looney Tunes cartoon Porky in Wackyland. 174.124.241.73 ( talk) 01:18, 28 December 2014 (UTC) 174.124.241.73 ( talk) 01:18, 28 December 2014 (UTC)
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Unfortunately on a not so professional-looking site - https://sites.google.com/site/dodologistsmiscellany/ by Jolyon Parish. Shyamal ( talk) 03:47, 8 January 2015 (UTC)
the french article has a section about research aiming to re-create the dodo from DNA parts from doodo's remain and non extincted close parents https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dodo_%28oiseau%29#Le_r.C3.A9veil_du_dodo_.3F so er... is it worth adding such a section here? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.235.99.5 ( talk) 10:18, 14 July 2015 (UTC)
Hello. I'm translating this article to portuguese and I need some help. It's hard to understand old english phrases, if somebody write this text in modern english it will be very important to me.
Here they taried 12. daies to refresh themselues, finding in this place great quantity of foules twise as bigge as swans, which they called Walghstocks or Wallowbirdes being very good meat. But finding also aboundance of pidgeons & popiniayes, they disdained any more to eat of those great foules, calling them (as before) Wallowbirds, that is to say, lothsome or fulsome birdes. Of the said Pidgeons and Popiniayes they found great plenty being very fat and good meate, which they could easily take and kil euen with little stickes: so tame they are by reason ý the Isle is not inhabited, neither be the liuing creatures therein accustomed to the sight of men.
Thanks. Dr. Lenaldo Vigo ( talk) 14:31, 12 February 2015 (UTC)
Hello ! :-) Is it possible that a few of these birds thought to be extinct live in Nicobar, a habitat of the Nicobar Pigeon ! Thank you ! Vijay Chary ( talk) 12:05, 20 August 2015 (UTC)
I don't know if it's worth adding in the popular media section, but the Dodo (a toy and a cartoon character) are a major plot element in the TV movie Undercover Angel (film). AugustinMa ( talk) 04:51, 11 March 2016 (UTC)
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Early explorers call the Dodo the "Devil's Chicken." Candyboy808 ( talk) 01:14, 18 March 2016 (UTC)
Not sure if this is relevant, but at one point there's a typo mentioning the year "20011" instead of "2011". Tried to change it but obviously cannot due to the "devil's chicken".
I believe the Dutch settlers/invaders had much to do with Dodo extinction as they started using it to replace poultry as it's meat was considered highly exquisite. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 58.26.207.170 ( talk) 17:33, 7 June 2014 (UTC)
I don't think people ate Dodos, but I do know for a fact that Dodo eggs were eaten by invasive rats Dunkleosteus77 ( talk) 22:08, 9 April 2015 (UTC)
That would be a hard "fact" to prove since you probably weren't there in the 16th century. In the world of reality we call that "hearsay". What you claim to "know" you didn't witness. Maybe you read it somewhere and therefore it's not first-hand knowledge. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 107.12.162.211 ( talk) 08:48, 28 September 2016 (UTC)
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Early explorers called the Dodo the "Devil's Chicken." A source: Day, David (2012). Nevermore: A Book of Hours – Meditations on Extinction. ISBN 978-1-926802-68-8. 89.66.254.10 ( talk) 01:15, 11 September 2017 (UTC)