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Okay, Realplayer has it clocked at 8.02, but that includes the appeal sequences at the end of the online feed. Do we count that or not? If not, it'll probably be seven minutes. My mistake. -- khaosworks ( talk • contribs) 02:51, 19 November 2005 (UTC)
I think it was 3 1/2 minutes of original material, when you strip the titles, credits and reprise out - I haven't timed it though. DavidFarmbrough 10:38, 21 November 2005 (UTC)
Does anyone know if this sequence is going to be part of the Christmas Invasion? I can't imagine a key post-regeneration scene only ever being shown as part of a telethon ... though I imagine it'll make for a sweet DVD extra. 23skidoo 04:05, 19 November 2005 (UTC)
Rob Shearman, he say: "It was never part of The Christmas Invasion in any form, and was conceived after that script had been filmed." [1] Angmering 12:13, 19 November 2005 (UTC)
Because I'm still not satisfied with this, I've got a new idea: We have one article covering both DiT and this thing, which would also allow us to add any other things, which, perhaps not as notable on their own, could exist in one umbrella article ( A Fix with Sontarans might be worth a merge as well). Thoughts?-- Sean| Bla ck 20:34, 19 November 2005 (UTC)
While I hate to mention canonicity, surely there is little doubt that the special will be considered canonical by the production team? It was written by Russell, has no unusual plot elements (like half the cast of EastEnders!) that might make it not fit with the Whoniverse, and includes the end of The Parting of the Ways - and, as far as we know, sets up the opening of The Christmas Invasion. Would it be better to remove the line about whether or not it is canon?
Whouk ( talk) 09:30, 25 November 2005 (UTC)
I'd like to propose a litmus test for canonicity: At the end of "Parting of the Ways", the Doctor and Rose leave, with Jack left behind. The Doctor is apparrently unaware that Jack is alive, and Rose appearantly remembers little of what she did while in God-mode. Dialogue in the Children in Need Special, however, indicates that both the Doctor and Rose knew that Jack was still alive. I propose that when the new season starts, we pay close attention to any mention of Jack. If the Doctor and/or Rose appear to believe he's dead, then the CiN special is non-canon. Ravenswood 19:41, 29 November 2005 (UTC)
I'm at work and can't check, but I think the quote in "Logopolis" is "wild catastrophes and calls to man the battle stations." In any case, even if "universal disaster" was said at one point, it seems like all the examples of the Cloister Bell ringing -- the infinite recursion in "Logopolis," the danger of reaching Event One in "Castrovalva," the Dalek Time Corridor in "Resurrection," the imminent (and impending ;) ) crash landing in the CiN special, and whatever the heck was going on in the TV movie ;) -- were all threats to the TARDIS more than the universe. In contrast, there have been plenty of threats to the universe as a whole that didn't sound the bell; Sutekh and the entropy released by the closing of the CVEs are two instances that come to mind. So I think even if someone did say "universal disaster," it could be written off as hyperbole. Your thoughts? -- Jay (Histrion) ( talk • contribs) 15:53, 13 December 2005 (UTC)
Apparently The Christmas Invasion is going to be shown in a 90-minute timeslot on CBC on Dec. 26. Since that gives extra time even with commericals for extra stuff, rumors are kicking around that the CBC might show the CiN special as a bonus or perhaps even incorporate it somehow into the episode. Has anyone heard if it's going to be shown? 23skidoo 21:22, 20 December 2005 (UTC)
We have David Tennant listed here as 'Doctor Who'; however, there's no role credit in the episode! The only two credits, in fact, are David and Billie in the opening titles.
The problem here is that POTW credits David as 'Doctor Who' (in the closing 'introducing' credit); but TCI credits him as 'The Doctor'. Which to use? Personally, I vote neither; as there were no official credits, yank the Credits section entirely. Thoughts? Radagast 02:01, 4 January 2006 (UTC)
I fudged it - Doctor Who Children in Need special (2005)#Cast - SoM 15:28, 5 January 2006 (UTC)
I think people are overthinking this. Who cares if they didn't receive proper screen credit. I challenge anyone to find a source that says they played roles other than the Doctor and Rose. I'm with Josiah on his change. It's just common sense! 23skidoo 18:46, 5 January 2006 (UTC)
Just got my hands on the Series Two companion, and one of the tidbits that comes out of it is that the pages for this production were headed Doctor Who: Children in Need. The Companion also lists it as Children in Need. Now that we have (kind of) a specific name for it, should this be moved to "Children in Need (Doctor Who)" or "Doctor Who: Children in Need" or a variation thereof? -- khaosworks ( talk • contribs) 15:31, 9 September 2006 (UTC)
It's also Born Again in Doctor Who: The Writer's Tale - The Final Chapter in both the "Who's Who" section in the front (p27):
--and in the Index at the back (p701), where the title is used in exactly the same format as Time Crash [Born Again (2005 Children In Need mini-episode) and Time Crash (2007 Children In Need mini-episode), respectively. Also listed similarly is Attack of the Graske (interactive mini-episode), while all other episodes have their production code in the brackets - e.g. School Reunion (2.3).] - BrainiacBlink ( talk) —Preceding undated comment added 06:38, 8 October 2011 (UTC).
According to a discussion at the TrekBBS forum, the version of the CiN Special on the DVD is not the one that was broadcast, and in fact apparently it's a "rough edit" version because the BBC was unable to locate a master of the version that was transmitted! Can anyone confirm this? If true, it should be mentioned in the article. 23skidoo 04:29, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
I am sure this never happened. See the Christmas Invasion talk page. Angmering ( talk) 22:02, 25 July 2008 (UTC)
From the article: Apart from the recap of the events at the conclusion of "The Parting of the Ways" and the time tunnel effects, this is one of only three stories that take place entirely within the confines of the TARDIS and features only the regular cast, the others being the First Doctor story The Edge of Destruction and the later Children in Need special "Time Crash". I would have to argue that Time Crash does NOT feature only regular cast, as Peter Davison was hardly regular cast by 2007. - mattbuck ( Talk) 02:33, 20 November 2009 (UTC)
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Okay, Realplayer has it clocked at 8.02, but that includes the appeal sequences at the end of the online feed. Do we count that or not? If not, it'll probably be seven minutes. My mistake. -- khaosworks ( talk • contribs) 02:51, 19 November 2005 (UTC)
I think it was 3 1/2 minutes of original material, when you strip the titles, credits and reprise out - I haven't timed it though. DavidFarmbrough 10:38, 21 November 2005 (UTC)
Does anyone know if this sequence is going to be part of the Christmas Invasion? I can't imagine a key post-regeneration scene only ever being shown as part of a telethon ... though I imagine it'll make for a sweet DVD extra. 23skidoo 04:05, 19 November 2005 (UTC)
Rob Shearman, he say: "It was never part of The Christmas Invasion in any form, and was conceived after that script had been filmed." [1] Angmering 12:13, 19 November 2005 (UTC)
Because I'm still not satisfied with this, I've got a new idea: We have one article covering both DiT and this thing, which would also allow us to add any other things, which, perhaps not as notable on their own, could exist in one umbrella article ( A Fix with Sontarans might be worth a merge as well). Thoughts?-- Sean| Bla ck 20:34, 19 November 2005 (UTC)
While I hate to mention canonicity, surely there is little doubt that the special will be considered canonical by the production team? It was written by Russell, has no unusual plot elements (like half the cast of EastEnders!) that might make it not fit with the Whoniverse, and includes the end of The Parting of the Ways - and, as far as we know, sets up the opening of The Christmas Invasion. Would it be better to remove the line about whether or not it is canon?
Whouk ( talk) 09:30, 25 November 2005 (UTC)
I'd like to propose a litmus test for canonicity: At the end of "Parting of the Ways", the Doctor and Rose leave, with Jack left behind. The Doctor is apparrently unaware that Jack is alive, and Rose appearantly remembers little of what she did while in God-mode. Dialogue in the Children in Need Special, however, indicates that both the Doctor and Rose knew that Jack was still alive. I propose that when the new season starts, we pay close attention to any mention of Jack. If the Doctor and/or Rose appear to believe he's dead, then the CiN special is non-canon. Ravenswood 19:41, 29 November 2005 (UTC)
I'm at work and can't check, but I think the quote in "Logopolis" is "wild catastrophes and calls to man the battle stations." In any case, even if "universal disaster" was said at one point, it seems like all the examples of the Cloister Bell ringing -- the infinite recursion in "Logopolis," the danger of reaching Event One in "Castrovalva," the Dalek Time Corridor in "Resurrection," the imminent (and impending ;) ) crash landing in the CiN special, and whatever the heck was going on in the TV movie ;) -- were all threats to the TARDIS more than the universe. In contrast, there have been plenty of threats to the universe as a whole that didn't sound the bell; Sutekh and the entropy released by the closing of the CVEs are two instances that come to mind. So I think even if someone did say "universal disaster," it could be written off as hyperbole. Your thoughts? -- Jay (Histrion) ( talk • contribs) 15:53, 13 December 2005 (UTC)
Apparently The Christmas Invasion is going to be shown in a 90-minute timeslot on CBC on Dec. 26. Since that gives extra time even with commericals for extra stuff, rumors are kicking around that the CBC might show the CiN special as a bonus or perhaps even incorporate it somehow into the episode. Has anyone heard if it's going to be shown? 23skidoo 21:22, 20 December 2005 (UTC)
We have David Tennant listed here as 'Doctor Who'; however, there's no role credit in the episode! The only two credits, in fact, are David and Billie in the opening titles.
The problem here is that POTW credits David as 'Doctor Who' (in the closing 'introducing' credit); but TCI credits him as 'The Doctor'. Which to use? Personally, I vote neither; as there were no official credits, yank the Credits section entirely. Thoughts? Radagast 02:01, 4 January 2006 (UTC)
I fudged it - Doctor Who Children in Need special (2005)#Cast - SoM 15:28, 5 January 2006 (UTC)
I think people are overthinking this. Who cares if they didn't receive proper screen credit. I challenge anyone to find a source that says they played roles other than the Doctor and Rose. I'm with Josiah on his change. It's just common sense! 23skidoo 18:46, 5 January 2006 (UTC)
Just got my hands on the Series Two companion, and one of the tidbits that comes out of it is that the pages for this production were headed Doctor Who: Children in Need. The Companion also lists it as Children in Need. Now that we have (kind of) a specific name for it, should this be moved to "Children in Need (Doctor Who)" or "Doctor Who: Children in Need" or a variation thereof? -- khaosworks ( talk • contribs) 15:31, 9 September 2006 (UTC)
It's also Born Again in Doctor Who: The Writer's Tale - The Final Chapter in both the "Who's Who" section in the front (p27):
--and in the Index at the back (p701), where the title is used in exactly the same format as Time Crash [Born Again (2005 Children In Need mini-episode) and Time Crash (2007 Children In Need mini-episode), respectively. Also listed similarly is Attack of the Graske (interactive mini-episode), while all other episodes have their production code in the brackets - e.g. School Reunion (2.3).] - BrainiacBlink ( talk) —Preceding undated comment added 06:38, 8 October 2011 (UTC).
According to a discussion at the TrekBBS forum, the version of the CiN Special on the DVD is not the one that was broadcast, and in fact apparently it's a "rough edit" version because the BBC was unable to locate a master of the version that was transmitted! Can anyone confirm this? If true, it should be mentioned in the article. 23skidoo 04:29, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
I am sure this never happened. See the Christmas Invasion talk page. Angmering ( talk) 22:02, 25 July 2008 (UTC)
From the article: Apart from the recap of the events at the conclusion of "The Parting of the Ways" and the time tunnel effects, this is one of only three stories that take place entirely within the confines of the TARDIS and features only the regular cast, the others being the First Doctor story The Edge of Destruction and the later Children in Need special "Time Crash". I would have to argue that Time Crash does NOT feature only regular cast, as Peter Davison was hardly regular cast by 2007. - mattbuck ( Talk) 02:33, 20 November 2009 (UTC)