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I rewrote almost every sentence, mostly to get rid of somewhat odd language. His operas were added, and I will still add a list of his better known choral and instrumental works.
Also, as an informative article, more should be added about his use of classicism as well as folk tunes throughout his compositions.-- tufkaa 01:00, 15 April 2006 (UTC)
Someone constantly changes the name of the composer to it's Ukrainian way. I remind you that Dmitry Bortiansky lived mostly in Saint Petersburg, where he also died, and spoke mostly Russian. Not only that, but when his music was released in the Germanic-language countries, his name was spelled in the Russian way, Dmitri. I dont see any logic to the attempts to change his name into the Ukrainian formulation but pushing nationalistic agenda. I was offered a "concensus", but i dint seem to see what concensus could come here. Shpakovich ( talk) 12:52, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
I suggest the use of O.S./N.S. indication to clarify date figures concerning pre-revolutionary Russia. (At least, the ones with month and day.) In the 18th and 19th centuries Russia was one of the few countries to stick to the Julian calendar - using different sources one frequently is labored to double-check which patricular calendar style was implied by the authors. Emi —Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.12.180.241 ( talk) 13:58, 5 April 2008 (UTC)
I've reviewed this article as part of the Composers project review of its B-class articles. This article is a very weak B (borderline Start -- you decided); it is sketchy and provides basic background, but it does actually cover most of the topics I expect to see in a composer article (which is why I tip towards B). My full review is on the Comments page; questions and comments should be left here or on my talk page. Magic ♪piano 22:44, 14 February 2009 (UTC)
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==Composers Project Assessment of Dmitry Bortniansky: 2009-02-14==
This is an assessment of article Dmitry Bortniansky by a member of the Composers project, according to its assessment criteria. This review was done by Magicpiano. If an article is well-cited, the reviewer is assuming that the article reflects reasonably current scholarship, and deficiencies in the historical record that are documented in a particular area will be appropriately scored. If insufficient inline citations are present, the reviewer will assume that deficiencies in that area may be cured, and that area may be scored down. Adherence to overall Wikipedia standards ( WP:MOS, WP:WIAGA, WP:WIAFA) are the reviewer's opinion, and are not a substitute for the Wikipedia's processes for awarding Good Article or Featured Article status. ===Origins/family background/studies=== Does the article reflect what is known about the composer's background and childhood? If s/he received musical training as a child, who from, is the experience and nature of the early teachers' influences described?
===Early career=== Does the article indicate when s/he started composing, discuss early style, success/failure? Are other pedagogic and personal influences from this time on his/her music discussed?
===Mature career=== Does the article discuss his/her adult life and composition history? Are other pedagogic and personal influences from this time on his/her music discussed?
===List(s) of works=== Are lists of the composer's works in WP, linked from this article? If there are special catalogs (e.g. Köchel for Mozart, Hoboken for Haydn), are they used? If the composer has written more than 20-30 works, any exhaustive listing should be placed in a separate article.
===Critical appreciation=== Does the article discuss his/her style, reception by critics and the public (both during his/her life, and over time)?
===Illustrations and sound clips=== Does the article contain images of its subject, birthplace, gravesite or other memorials, important residences, manuscript pages, museums, etc? Does it contain samples of the composer's work (as composer and/or performer, if appropriate)? (Note that since many 20th-century works are copyrighted, it may not be possible to acquire more than brief fair use samples of those works, but efforts should be made to do so.) If an article is of high enough quality, do its images and media comply with image use policy and non-free content policy? (Adherence to these is needed for Good Article or Featured Article consideration, and is apparently a common reason for nominations being quick-failed.)
===References, sources and bibliography=== Does the article contain a suitable number of references? Does it contain sufficient inline citations? (For an article to pass Good Article nomination, every paragraph possibly excepting those in the lead, and every direct quotation, should have at least one footnote.) If appropriate, does it include Further Reading or Bibliography beyond the cited references?
===Structure and compliance with WP:MOS=== Does the article comply with Wikipedia style and layout guidelines, especially WP:MOS, WP:LEAD, WP:LAYOUT, and possibly WP:SIZE? (Article length is not generally significant, although Featured Articles Candidates may be questioned for excessive length.)
===Things that may be necessary to pass a Good Article review===
===Summary=== This is a fairly sketchy biography. I get the feeling more could be written, but no one has gotten around to doing so. Most of the content is sketchy, and I suspect it can be elaborated. However, as the article lists no references, and has no inline citations, it could also be entirely fabricated. WP:V, anyone? Article is a very weak B. Magic ♪piano 22:41, 14 February 2009 (UTC) |
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The musical element of the rituals, the language, the pronunciation of the services [in Russian Orthodoxy music], were all strongly Ukrainianized, becoming in their turn traditional and binding.(p. 51). As William Burianyk notes,
Ukrainian words was changed to Russian, but theme and melody remained Ukrainian. Richard Taruskin also designates unconditional Ukrainian cultural influence. It debunks the claim that Bortnyansky had no connection with Ukraine.
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I rewrote almost every sentence, mostly to get rid of somewhat odd language. His operas were added, and I will still add a list of his better known choral and instrumental works.
Also, as an informative article, more should be added about his use of classicism as well as folk tunes throughout his compositions.-- tufkaa 01:00, 15 April 2006 (UTC)
Someone constantly changes the name of the composer to it's Ukrainian way. I remind you that Dmitry Bortiansky lived mostly in Saint Petersburg, where he also died, and spoke mostly Russian. Not only that, but when his music was released in the Germanic-language countries, his name was spelled in the Russian way, Dmitri. I dont see any logic to the attempts to change his name into the Ukrainian formulation but pushing nationalistic agenda. I was offered a "concensus", but i dint seem to see what concensus could come here. Shpakovich ( talk) 12:52, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
I suggest the use of O.S./N.S. indication to clarify date figures concerning pre-revolutionary Russia. (At least, the ones with month and day.) In the 18th and 19th centuries Russia was one of the few countries to stick to the Julian calendar - using different sources one frequently is labored to double-check which patricular calendar style was implied by the authors. Emi —Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.12.180.241 ( talk) 13:58, 5 April 2008 (UTC)
I've reviewed this article as part of the Composers project review of its B-class articles. This article is a very weak B (borderline Start -- you decided); it is sketchy and provides basic background, but it does actually cover most of the topics I expect to see in a composer article (which is why I tip towards B). My full review is on the Comments page; questions and comments should be left here or on my talk page. Magic ♪piano 22:44, 14 February 2009 (UTC)
The comment(s) below were originally left at Talk:Dmitry Bortniansky/Comments, and are posted here for posterity. Following several discussions in past years, these subpages are now deprecated. The comments may be irrelevant or outdated; if so, please feel free to remove this section.
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==Composers Project Assessment of Dmitry Bortniansky: 2009-02-14==
This is an assessment of article Dmitry Bortniansky by a member of the Composers project, according to its assessment criteria. This review was done by Magicpiano. If an article is well-cited, the reviewer is assuming that the article reflects reasonably current scholarship, and deficiencies in the historical record that are documented in a particular area will be appropriately scored. If insufficient inline citations are present, the reviewer will assume that deficiencies in that area may be cured, and that area may be scored down. Adherence to overall Wikipedia standards ( WP:MOS, WP:WIAGA, WP:WIAFA) are the reviewer's opinion, and are not a substitute for the Wikipedia's processes for awarding Good Article or Featured Article status. ===Origins/family background/studies=== Does the article reflect what is known about the composer's background and childhood? If s/he received musical training as a child, who from, is the experience and nature of the early teachers' influences described?
===Early career=== Does the article indicate when s/he started composing, discuss early style, success/failure? Are other pedagogic and personal influences from this time on his/her music discussed?
===Mature career=== Does the article discuss his/her adult life and composition history? Are other pedagogic and personal influences from this time on his/her music discussed?
===List(s) of works=== Are lists of the composer's works in WP, linked from this article? If there are special catalogs (e.g. Köchel for Mozart, Hoboken for Haydn), are they used? If the composer has written more than 20-30 works, any exhaustive listing should be placed in a separate article.
===Critical appreciation=== Does the article discuss his/her style, reception by critics and the public (both during his/her life, and over time)?
===Illustrations and sound clips=== Does the article contain images of its subject, birthplace, gravesite or other memorials, important residences, manuscript pages, museums, etc? Does it contain samples of the composer's work (as composer and/or performer, if appropriate)? (Note that since many 20th-century works are copyrighted, it may not be possible to acquire more than brief fair use samples of those works, but efforts should be made to do so.) If an article is of high enough quality, do its images and media comply with image use policy and non-free content policy? (Adherence to these is needed for Good Article or Featured Article consideration, and is apparently a common reason for nominations being quick-failed.)
===References, sources and bibliography=== Does the article contain a suitable number of references? Does it contain sufficient inline citations? (For an article to pass Good Article nomination, every paragraph possibly excepting those in the lead, and every direct quotation, should have at least one footnote.) If appropriate, does it include Further Reading or Bibliography beyond the cited references?
===Structure and compliance with WP:MOS=== Does the article comply with Wikipedia style and layout guidelines, especially WP:MOS, WP:LEAD, WP:LAYOUT, and possibly WP:SIZE? (Article length is not generally significant, although Featured Articles Candidates may be questioned for excessive length.)
===Things that may be necessary to pass a Good Article review===
===Summary=== This is a fairly sketchy biography. I get the feeling more could be written, but no one has gotten around to doing so. Most of the content is sketchy, and I suspect it can be elaborated. However, as the article lists no references, and has no inline citations, it could also be entirely fabricated. WP:V, anyone? Article is a very weak B. Magic ♪piano 22:41, 14 February 2009 (UTC) |
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The musical element of the rituals, the language, the pronunciation of the services [in Russian Orthodoxy music], were all strongly Ukrainianized, becoming in their turn traditional and binding.(p. 51). As William Burianyk notes,
Ukrainian words was changed to Russian, but theme and melody remained Ukrainian. Richard Taruskin also designates unconditional Ukrainian cultural influence. It debunks the claim that Bortnyansky had no connection with Ukraine.