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This article could use a map.... Jon Moore 04:37, 22 February 2006 (UTC)
It's pretty much synonymous with Washington County away down south in Utah. I'm not sure if that doesn't indicate that the Washington County reference in the article doesn't maybe suffice. Superdoghead 22:13, 21 April 2007 (UTC)
- I've added a locator map for Washington County to this article. -- Beland ( talk) 01:38, 7 November 2023 (UTC)
The article previously cited a Maffly article in the Salt Lake Tribune that was an editorial and not a historical source. Please use reliable sources for encyclopedia articles.
One claim made in the prior version of this article was that Robert Covington was leader of the Cotton Mission. He was not. He was the leader of a small group of families who founded Washington City in 1857. He was bishop of Washington City for about ten years and may have been influential in that small town, but was largely unknown to most of the settlers of Dixie.
The Hicks account of A.W. Collins' crimes is not encyclopedic and does not belong in an article of this type. — Preceding unsigned comment added by KHearts ( talk • contribs) 23:39, 1 February 2013 (UTC)
- Brian Maffly is a reporter, not an opinion columnist, at the Salt Lake Tribune. The Tribune has a reputation for fact checking and reliable reporting, so this article seems perfectly reasonable to cite. Are there any reliable sources you can point to that say Covington did not lead the Cotton Mission? The article now has several sources which appear to confirm the Tribune piece. From what I can tell, most of the settlers of Dixie in the 1850s were in what is now Washington City. The article Robert D. Covington House seems to indicate he was a person of importance at the founding. Whether or not he became less important as more people settled the area seems irrelevant. -- Beland ( talk) 07:57, 7 November 2023 (UTC)
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Dixie (Utah) →
Dixie, Utah –
WP:USPLACE. —
BarrelProof (
talk) 14:59, 20 May 2022 (UTC) — Relisting. — Ceso femmuin mbolgaig mbung,
mello
hi! (
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11:34, 28 May 2022 (UTC)
- Support per nom.-- Ortizesp ( talk) 17:25, 20 May 2022 (UTC)
- Support per nom. In ictu oculi ( talk) 19:33, 20 May 2022 (UTC)
- Oppose. WP:USPLACE normally applies to cities and towns, not to nicknames for regions. See Pine Barrens (New Jersey), Oklahoma Panhandle, North Country (New York) or Upper Peninsula of Michigan for examples. This could be moved to Utah's Dixie if we want more WP:natural disambiguation. [1] [2] [3] - Station1 ( talk) 00:02, 21 May 2022 (UTC)
- After the above comment, I submitted an RM for Pine Barrens (New Jersey), and that RM has now been closed, with the article moved to New Jersey Pine Barrens, so it no longer has a state disambiguation term in parentheses. Two of the other examples above don't use parenthetical disambiguation terms, so they are not relevant to that aspect. — BarrelProof ( talk) 22:41, 1 June 2022 (UTC)
- Oppose per Station1; this move would confuse people into thinking that this is a municipality. Perhaps Dixie (Utah region) would be clearer. BD2412 T 22:38, 22 May 2022 (UTC)
- Oppose per previous comments about city article titles. Dixie, Utah" is how a municipality would be titled as others have mentioned, so would be confusing. I would support "Dixie (Utah region)" or "Utah's Dixie", a phrase that does have usage in reliable sources as demonstrated above. -- JonRidinger ( talk) 12:14, 23 May 2022 (UTC)
- As far as I have noticed,
WP:USPLACE says the comma convention should be used for any "populated places", not just cities and towns. There is even a subsection there for
WP:Naming conventions (geographic names)#Regions and metropolitan areas, and I don't see any examples there that use parenthetical state disambiguators. —
BarrelProof (
talk)
18:38, 24 May 2022 (UTC)
- Yes, though the region section seems to be geared more towards metro areas, and says to use "a commonly-used name; for example,
Central Arkansas..." or
Sacramento metropolitan area. "Populated places" generally does refer to specific communities, like a city, town, or neighborhood, rather than larger regions, which can be unpopulated. Along with examples of regions used above, we also have ones like
Northeast Ohio,
Western Pennsylvania,
Middle Tennessee, or in Utah, the
Wasatch Front. Even if we use the broader "populated places" definition to include regions, the common practice generally has "place, state" for towns/cities/villages/etc., not regions. "Utah's Dixie" seems to be used most frequently, enough to be a redirect, and would work as a title. --
JonRidinger (
talk)
19:32, 24 May 2022 (UTC)
- It's the state name in parentheses that especially bothers me. — BarrelProof ( talk) 20:26, 24 May 2022 (UTC)
- Yes, though the region section seems to be geared more towards metro areas, and says to use "a commonly-used name; for example,
Central Arkansas..." or
Sacramento metropolitan area. "Populated places" generally does refer to specific communities, like a city, town, or neighborhood, rather than larger regions, which can be unpopulated. Along with examples of regions used above, we also have ones like
Northeast Ohio,
Western Pennsylvania,
Middle Tennessee, or in Utah, the
Wasatch Front. Even if we use the broader "populated places" definition to include regions, the common practice generally has "place, state" for towns/cities/villages/etc., not regions. "Utah's Dixie" seems to be used most frequently, enough to be a redirect, and would work as a title. --
JonRidinger (
talk)
19:32, 24 May 2022 (UTC)
- As far as I have noticed,
WP:USPLACE says the comma convention should be used for any "populated places", not just cities and towns. There is even a subsection there for
WP:Naming conventions (geographic names)#Regions and metropolitan areas, and I don't see any examples there that use parenthetical state disambiguators. —
BarrelProof (
talk)
18:38, 24 May 2022 (UTC)
- Oppose per above. –– FormalDude talk 01:47, 30 May 2022 (UTC)
The article refers to "former Mayor Daniel D. McArthur". Is this the same Daniel D. McArthur mentioned in the Mormon handcart pioneers article, or is it some later namesake? — BarrelProof ( talk) 15:09, 20 May 2022 (UTC)
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This article could use a map.... Jon Moore 04:37, 22 February 2006 (UTC)
It's pretty much synonymous with Washington County away down south in Utah. I'm not sure if that doesn't indicate that the Washington County reference in the article doesn't maybe suffice. Superdoghead 22:13, 21 April 2007 (UTC)
- I've added a locator map for Washington County to this article. -- Beland ( talk) 01:38, 7 November 2023 (UTC)
The article previously cited a Maffly article in the Salt Lake Tribune that was an editorial and not a historical source. Please use reliable sources for encyclopedia articles.
One claim made in the prior version of this article was that Robert Covington was leader of the Cotton Mission. He was not. He was the leader of a small group of families who founded Washington City in 1857. He was bishop of Washington City for about ten years and may have been influential in that small town, but was largely unknown to most of the settlers of Dixie.
The Hicks account of A.W. Collins' crimes is not encyclopedic and does not belong in an article of this type. — Preceding unsigned comment added by KHearts ( talk • contribs) 23:39, 1 February 2013 (UTC)
- Brian Maffly is a reporter, not an opinion columnist, at the Salt Lake Tribune. The Tribune has a reputation for fact checking and reliable reporting, so this article seems perfectly reasonable to cite. Are there any reliable sources you can point to that say Covington did not lead the Cotton Mission? The article now has several sources which appear to confirm the Tribune piece. From what I can tell, most of the settlers of Dixie in the 1850s were in what is now Washington City. The article Robert D. Covington House seems to indicate he was a person of importance at the founding. Whether or not he became less important as more people settled the area seems irrelevant. -- Beland ( talk) 07:57, 7 November 2023 (UTC)
- The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
The result of the move request was: not moved. No consensus for the move as proposed. ( closed by non-admin page mover) feminist (talk) | never forget 07:03, 5 June 2022 (UTC)
Dixie (Utah) →
Dixie, Utah –
WP:USPLACE. —
BarrelProof (
talk) 14:59, 20 May 2022 (UTC) — Relisting. — Ceso femmuin mbolgaig mbung,
mello
hi! (
投稿)
11:34, 28 May 2022 (UTC)
- Support per nom.-- Ortizesp ( talk) 17:25, 20 May 2022 (UTC)
- Support per nom. In ictu oculi ( talk) 19:33, 20 May 2022 (UTC)
- Oppose. WP:USPLACE normally applies to cities and towns, not to nicknames for regions. See Pine Barrens (New Jersey), Oklahoma Panhandle, North Country (New York) or Upper Peninsula of Michigan for examples. This could be moved to Utah's Dixie if we want more WP:natural disambiguation. [1] [2] [3] - Station1 ( talk) 00:02, 21 May 2022 (UTC)
- After the above comment, I submitted an RM for Pine Barrens (New Jersey), and that RM has now been closed, with the article moved to New Jersey Pine Barrens, so it no longer has a state disambiguation term in parentheses. Two of the other examples above don't use parenthetical disambiguation terms, so they are not relevant to that aspect. — BarrelProof ( talk) 22:41, 1 June 2022 (UTC)
- Oppose per Station1; this move would confuse people into thinking that this is a municipality. Perhaps Dixie (Utah region) would be clearer. BD2412 T 22:38, 22 May 2022 (UTC)
- Oppose per previous comments about city article titles. Dixie, Utah" is how a municipality would be titled as others have mentioned, so would be confusing. I would support "Dixie (Utah region)" or "Utah's Dixie", a phrase that does have usage in reliable sources as demonstrated above. -- JonRidinger ( talk) 12:14, 23 May 2022 (UTC)
- As far as I have noticed,
WP:USPLACE says the comma convention should be used for any "populated places", not just cities and towns. There is even a subsection there for
WP:Naming conventions (geographic names)#Regions and metropolitan areas, and I don't see any examples there that use parenthetical state disambiguators. —
BarrelProof (
talk)
18:38, 24 May 2022 (UTC)
- Yes, though the region section seems to be geared more towards metro areas, and says to use "a commonly-used name; for example,
Central Arkansas..." or
Sacramento metropolitan area. "Populated places" generally does refer to specific communities, like a city, town, or neighborhood, rather than larger regions, which can be unpopulated. Along with examples of regions used above, we also have ones like
Northeast Ohio,
Western Pennsylvania,
Middle Tennessee, or in Utah, the
Wasatch Front. Even if we use the broader "populated places" definition to include regions, the common practice generally has "place, state" for towns/cities/villages/etc., not regions. "Utah's Dixie" seems to be used most frequently, enough to be a redirect, and would work as a title. --
JonRidinger (
talk)
19:32, 24 May 2022 (UTC)
- It's the state name in parentheses that especially bothers me. — BarrelProof ( talk) 20:26, 24 May 2022 (UTC)
- Yes, though the region section seems to be geared more towards metro areas, and says to use "a commonly-used name; for example,
Central Arkansas..." or
Sacramento metropolitan area. "Populated places" generally does refer to specific communities, like a city, town, or neighborhood, rather than larger regions, which can be unpopulated. Along with examples of regions used above, we also have ones like
Northeast Ohio,
Western Pennsylvania,
Middle Tennessee, or in Utah, the
Wasatch Front. Even if we use the broader "populated places" definition to include regions, the common practice generally has "place, state" for towns/cities/villages/etc., not regions. "Utah's Dixie" seems to be used most frequently, enough to be a redirect, and would work as a title. --
JonRidinger (
talk)
19:32, 24 May 2022 (UTC)
- As far as I have noticed,
WP:USPLACE says the comma convention should be used for any "populated places", not just cities and towns. There is even a subsection there for
WP:Naming conventions (geographic names)#Regions and metropolitan areas, and I don't see any examples there that use parenthetical state disambiguators. —
BarrelProof (
talk)
18:38, 24 May 2022 (UTC)
- Oppose per above. –– FormalDude talk 01:47, 30 May 2022 (UTC)
The article refers to "former Mayor Daniel D. McArthur". Is this the same Daniel D. McArthur mentioned in the Mormon handcart pioneers article, or is it some later namesake? — BarrelProof ( talk) 15:09, 20 May 2022 (UTC)
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