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The last column have no title, what should it be? Also, the source is wrong. Gråbergs Gråa Sång ( talk) 12:46, 10 August 2017 (UTC)
Regarding the table containing the list of characters: 1) To make it easier to locate a specific name, the listing of names in the table should be in alphabetical order. 2) Because the subject of the article is the story being portrayed, perhaps the first column should be the name of the character portrayed, with the second column containing the name of the actor who portrays the character. Cosmo1976 ( talk) 10:02, 25 December 2017 (UTC)
Turkish TV's new-found love for all things Ottoman may be good for something. Gråbergs Gråa Sång ( talk) 11:00, 27 December 2017 (UTC)
What do these numbers mean? The reference is a Turkish-language Twitter account which I cannot easily search. 76.119.114.192 ( talk) 20:52, 31 July 2019 (UTC)
Try dividing the plot into sections "per season". And possibly more paragraphs. Gråbergs Gråa Sång ( talk) 18:50, 9 January 2020 (UTC)
Could be a useful source. Gråbergs Gråa Sång ( talk) 18:27, 12 March 2020 (UTC)
Can we please collapse this section? I's annoyingly long. As is the season 5 section, who is going to read that? Gråbergs Gråa Sång ( talk) 08:57, 11 May 2020 (UTC)
User:Gråbergs Gråa Sång changed my edit after i removed a controversial and childish statement from Reception and put my part with tons of RS — Preceding unsigned comment added by Truthwins018 ( talk • contribs) 11:38, 19 May 2020 (UTC)
Journalist Aimun Faisal writes in Dawn that "[Esra Bilgiç] was the ultimate Pakistani, male fantasy. A miracle happened and she became real. Now Pakistani men do not know how to deal with the paradox of the dichotomy their misogyny had created.". [1] On social media, Bilgiç was lectured by Pakistani fans on the subject of religion. [2]
.The show received almost instant fame, mostly due to it reviving islamic message and also due to Pakistan Turk friendship. The channel TRT ertugrul by ptv [3] might even break world record for most subscribers in one month and ptv news is quoted as " The current record is 6.6 million and the channel Ertugrul Ghazi can beat that with your love! We have 15 days to make history [4]" with currently going strong at 3.7million subscribers in 24 days. Following the reception Turkish actress Esra, who essays the role of Halime Sultan, said “I’m waiting excitedly to meet you all in Pakistan after this period. [5] followed by Engin Altan (who plays the role of ertugrul) who expressed his wish to visit Pakistan soon to meet his fans [6] followed by Cengiz Coskun [7] who plays Turgut in the series and Turkish actor Cavit Çetin Güner who featured in famous historical drama series Ertugrul as ‘Dogan Alp’, has announced that he will visit Pakistan soon. In a video, he stated that Pakistan is his 'second home.' [8] and much of the cast
User:Gråbergs Gråa Sång Thanks for notifying me on the errors and i would i working on them. I am willing to remove the part which you claim is promotion although i am only quoting the truth, it actually has that much subscribers and i can even cite the message by the ertugrul official team on instagram and many articles . I cannot consider dnd as a reliable source. I think it targets a specific community cause i have also come across other communities targeting her and not just a specific, as this also seems as an opinion to frame a specific community. I will remove the quotes without source but i also believe that the removed statements about the Pakistani men should not be included cause it is Pakistan where the show received its most fame.
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The show is popular in Pakistan, partly aided by COVID-19 pandemic quarantine. According to PTV News, their Youtube channel for the series had more than a million subscribers in May. [9] Several of the actors expressed gratitude for the attention from Pakistani fans, Engin Altan Düzyatan and Esra Bilgiç adding that they would like to visit the country. [10] [11] Bilgiç also received negative attention from Pakistani fans on social media, who critisized her behaviour outside the series as morally lacking. [12] [13] [14] Gråbergs Gråa Sång ( talk) 12:11, 20 May 2020 (UTC)
User:Gråbergs Gråa Sång i assume it received more views on the pakistani dubbed version than the turkish one itself. I just made a general overview so that it can be sorted out later so that's why i was a bit messy. I still wouldn't completely agree on terming the criticism on one particular community as many turkish and indians were also criticizing her but majority of it is fine Truthwins018 ( talk) 19:27, 20 May 2020 (UTC)
More disagreement (pinging USaamo): [3]
IMO this text
Bilgiç also received negative attention from Pakistani fans on social media, who critisized her behaviour outside the series as morally lacking. [15] [16] [17] Other castmembers have also been affected. [18]
Is in WP:PROPORTION due the sources used, and there are more. Also the above edit has hints of WP:PUFFERY, and youtube numbers should not be cited to youtube, if no decent secondary source bothered to mention them they are not interesting to include. See also MOS:DATED. Gråbergs Gråa Sång ( talk) 19:25, 21 May 2020 (UTC)
Since noone has commented for a few days, I'm choosing to reinsert this, will also add an additional ref. Gråbergs Gråa Sång ( talk) 09:55, 25 May 2020 (UTC)
User:Gråbergs Gråa Sång Your version is largely fine now after all the sources but i would still propose changing Pakistani fans to just Fans in general cause they are criticized by people of many countries. Its just that those countries didnot write articles about it Truthwins018 ( talk) 00:21, 27 May 2020 (UTC)
'Relevance of content' Bilgiç also received negative attention from Pakistani fans on social media, who criticized her behaviour outside the series as morally lacking. [19] [20] [21] Other castmembers have also been affected. [22] [23]
References
- ^ Faisal, Aimun (13 May 2020). "Ertugrul, Esra Bilgic and the frustrations of Pakistani men". Dawn (newspaper). Retrieved 18 May 2020.
- ^ "Esra Bilgic Age, Instagram, Pictures & Biography | Ertuğrul". Dispatch News Desk. 14 May 2020. Retrieved 18 May 2020.
- ^ "TRT Ertugrul by PTV". YouTube. Retrieved 2020-05-19.
- ^ Staff, Images (2020-05-09). "PTV is keen on breaking a YouTube world record with a little help from Ertugrul". Images. Retrieved 2020-05-19.
- ^ "'Ertuğrul ': After Esra Bilgic another Turkish actress wants to visit Pakistan". www.thenews.com.pk. Retrieved 2020-05-19.
- ^ Desk, News (2020-05-19). "Engin Altan 'Ertugrul' expresses love for Pakistan, wishes to meet fans". Global Village Space. Retrieved 2020-05-19.
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has generic name ( help)- ^ "'Ertugrul' sensation Engin Altan, Cengiz Coskun and Cavit Guner want to visit Pakistan". The Nation. 2020-05-18. Retrieved 2020-05-19.
- ^ "'Ertugrul' sensation Engin Altan, Cengiz Coskun and Cavit Guner want to visit Pakistan". The Nation. 2020-05-18. Retrieved 2020-05-19.
- ^ Staff, Images (2020-05-09). "PTV is keen on breaking a YouTube world record with a little help from Ertugrul". Images. Retrieved 2020-05-19.
- ^ Desk, News (2020-05-19). "Engin Altan 'Ertugrul' expresses love for Pakistan, wishes to meet fans". Global Village Space. Retrieved 2020-05-19.
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has generic name ( help)- ^ "'Ertugrul' sensation Engin Altan, Cengiz Coskun and Cavit Guner want to visit Pakistan". The Nation. 2020-05-18. Retrieved 2020-05-19.
- ^ Faisal, Aimun (13 May 2020). "Ertugrul, Esra Bilgic and the frustrations of Pakistani men". Images. Dawn (newspaper). Retrieved 20 May 2020.
- ^ Staff, Images (11 May 2020). "Pakistani fans are moral policing Ertugrul's Esra Bilgic on Instagram". Dawn (newspaper). Retrieved 20 May 2020.
- ^ "Astaghfirullah Halima Baji: Behave like a Muslim woman". India Today. Retrieved 20 May 2020.
- ^ Faisal, Aimun (13 May 2020). "Ertugrul, Esra Bilgic and the frustrations of Pakistani men". Images. Dawn (newspaper). Retrieved 20 May 2020.
- ^ Staff, Images (11 May 2020). "Pakistani fans are moral policing Ertugrul's Esra Bilgic on Instagram". Dawn (newspaper). Retrieved 20 May 2020.
- ^ "Astaghfirullah Halima Baji: Behave like a Muslim woman". India Today. Retrieved 20 May 2020.
- ^ "Ertugrul cast gets trolled on social media | SAMAA". Samaa TV. 12 May 2020. Retrieved 21 May 2020.
- ^ Faisal, Aimun (13 May 2020). "Ertugrul, Esra Bilgic and the frustrations of Pakistani men". Images. Dawn (newspaper). Retrieved 20 May 2020.
- ^ Staff, Images (11 May 2020). "Pakistani fans are moral policing Ertugrul's Esra Bilgic on Instagram". Dawn (newspaper). Retrieved 20 May 2020.
- ^ "Astaghfirullah Halima Baji: Behave like a Muslim woman". India Today. Retrieved 20 May 2020.
- ^ "Ertugrul cast gets trolled on social media | SAMAA". Samaa TV. 12 May 2020. Retrieved 21 May 2020.
- ^ Cite error: The named reference
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The said content's relevance here needed to be established. This is not about the series but about the actors' behaviour and personal life outside the series. Wikipedia:Relevance WP:RELE USaamo ( t@lk) 09:39, 30 May 2020 (UTC)
I would agree with User: USaamo here cause her criticism was not on her moral image in the show but outside of the show. The criticism has nothing to do with her dressing or anything she portrayed in the show Truthwins018 ( talk) 19:11, 30 May 2020 (UTC)
I agree with USaamo. What the cast do in their personal life is irrelevant to the show. The criticism of the cast doesn't have anything to do with the content of show. Joelaroche ( talk) 06:28, 18 July 2020 (UTC)
[5] says 179. imdb [6] agrees.
List of Diriliş: Ertuğrul episodes disagrees. Diriliş:_Ertuğrul#Episodes really disagrees. Anyone care to sort this out? Gråbergs Gråa Sång ( talk) 18:28, 20 May 2020 (UTC)
Sikander Teavannaa or anyone else, can you help me understand why the episodes are counted so differently at tvguide.com, compared to this, imdb and this article? Was it somehow re-cut or something at some point? And how should we deal with it in article-space? tvguide gives 2 numbers per episode for season 2, none of which rhymes with a total of 179. imdb isn't highly thought of as a ref on WP, but counting the number of episode in a tv-series is one thing I expect them to do right. Gråbergs Gråa Sång ( talk) 17:59, 24 May 2020 (UTC)
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Add Busra Cubukcuoglu in characters Saadshabbir735 ( talk) 02:57, 29 May 2020 (UTC)
USaamo ( t@lk) 10:41, 29 May 2020 (UTC)
Plz I need to edit info is wrong Sakina1214 ( talk) 19:07, 18 July 2020 (UTC)
Kindly add death of Aykiz in 2nd season description. Sakina1214 ( talk) 13:37, 13 August 2020 (UTC)
Thank you. Sorry for the spoiler. Sakina1214 ( talk) 07:59, 15 August 2020 (UTC)
Any comment on if this [7] has any connection to reality? Gråbergs Gråa Sång ( talk) 20:19, 3 June 2020 (UTC)
Balolay, [11] You got it the wrong way around. The WP:LEAD is a summary of the body. If there is nothing in the body to summarize, it's not in the lead, and just duplicating text is not good writing. This is very basic WP-structure. Gråbergs Gråa Sång ( talk) 16:21, 6 June 2020 (UTC)
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Season 1 Seeking to solve the unrest, Suleyman Shah sends his son Ertuğrul on a mission to find a new place for the nomad group to settle. He specifically sends Ertuğrul and his three best alps (Turgut, Bamsi and Doĝan) to seek an agreement with the Sultan of Aleppo, El Aziz. This angers Ertuğrul's half-brother, Gündoğdu, as settling the tribe in Aleppo was his idea. Before leaving for Aleppo, Ertuğrul saves Halime Sultan and her father and brother from the Templars. Halime Sultan refuses to reveal her true identity initially, but the Kayi tribe eventually find out that Halime Sultan's father is the brother of Sultan Alâeddin Keykûbad, the Sultan of the Seljuk Empire, and thus a prince. Ertuğrul and Halime Sultan fall in love. Ertuğrul successfully makes an agreement with El Aziz, and his tribe settles in Aleppo. However, El Aziz is surrounded by secret agents working for the Templars. They convince him to execute his uncle and break his agreement with Ertuğrul. El Aziz, who is not the most clever ruler, falls in love with Halime Sultan and tries to force her to become his wife when he finds out her true identity. Ertuğrul works tirelessly to show El Aziz the Truth, but El Aziz is only convinced when his soldiers disobey his orders and attempt to kill him.
Turgut, one of Ertuğrul's closest friends and strongest alps, and Yiğit (Halime Sultan's younger brother) are captured by the Templars and taken to their castle. While Turgut is tortured senseless in the dungeon, Yiğit is taken into the castle and treated like royalty. Turgut is made to drink a drug everyday, to which he becomes addicted. This drug also makes Turgut's mind muddled, and he begins to believe that he is aligned with the Templars, and not with the Kayi Tribe. The only thing that grounds him to reality is his relationship with Aykiz, the girl he wants to marry. The Templars train Turgut to fight for their side, and even when Turgut is returned to the Kayi tribe, they are able to continue giving him the drug through their secret allies in the tribe. Aykiz works tirelessly to heal Turgut, which eventually works. They eventually are able to marry.
The Templars additionally plan to use Yiğit to take over Sultan Alâeddin Keykûbad's throne, as Yiğit will give them legitimacy. Although Yiğit is just a small boy, he sees through their schemes. He is befriended by Isadora, the niece of the head Templar, Petruccio Manzini. Although her uncle is evil, Isadora is a sincere Christian and hates her uncle for killing her sister and imprisoning her father because he converted to Islam. Isadora leaves the Templar's castle to give the Kayi tribe important information about how to infiltrate the castle and defeat her uncle. She is found out, and her uncle orders her to be imprisoned and killed for her treachery. Before the guards can take her, Isadora stabs her uncle with a poisoned dagger. Isadora is murdered in the dungeons by her uncle's command. Petruccio becomes gravely ill. Titus takes over as the leader of the Templars. Petruccio is eventually executed when the Templar castle is conquered by the Kayi Tribe.
Gündoğdu struggles with the lies within the tribe. Gündoğdu's wife, Selcan, plots her revenge against Süleyman Shah, who sentenced her father to death for treason against their tribe when she was seven years old. Although Süleyman Shah raised Selcan and her sister Gökçe as his adoptive daughters after, Selcan still harbors resentment in her heart. She even works together with Kurdoğulu, Süleyman Shah's brother, to plot the demise of Süleyman Shah. Little does she know, Kurdoğulu is not after simple revenge, and is actually secretly working with the Templars to become the Bey of the Tribe himself. With the support of the Templars, Kurdoğlu stages a coup and removes Süleyman Shah from the position of Bey of the tribe. Selcan changes her ways when she finds out what Kurdoğulu is up to, and Halime Sultan saves her life by preventing her from drinking poisoned water. She seeks guidance from Ibn Arabi, who recommends she reveals her wrongdoings to her family for true redemption. She proves she has changed when she jumps in front of Titus's arrow for Gündoğdu and almost dies. Turgut plays a key role in saving Süleyman Shah's family and reversing the coup.
By the end of the season, the Kayi tribe, led by Ertuğrul, defeats the Templars and takes over their castle. They are able to do so with Yiğit's help as he has important information about the tunnels under the castle. Kurdoğulu is sentenced to death for treason. Ertuğrul and Halime Sultan are able to marry after Gökçe releases her imagined claim on Ertuğrul. Süleyman Shah dies at the end of the season while riding his horse through a river, which Hayme Ana, his wife, sees in her dream as a premonition. She becomes the leader of the Kayi tribe when Süleyman Shah dies. The clan decides to leave Aleppo and migrate to Anatolia.
Season 2
In the second season, Ertuğrul is captured by Tangut, who is Baycu Noyan's right hand man, and an army of Mongols. Halime Sultan runs back to the tribe for help, only to discover that the Mongols have killed everyone there and completely burnt the tribe to the ground. The survivors of the Kayi Tribe led by Hayme Ana seeks refuge with the Dodurga tribe, led by Korkut Bey, who is also Hayme Ana's brother. While captured, Noyan seriously injures Ertuğrul's sword-using hand by driving a nail into it. Ertuğrul's escape from the Mongols and subsequent return to his tribe creates internal strife between him and his cousin Tuğtekin, who becomes the head alp of the Dodurga and Kayi tribes as everyone had presumed Ertuğrul to be dead. The tension is further escalated with the arrival of Sungurtekin, Ertuğrul's long lost brother. Sungurtekin was previously a spy against Ögeday for Sultan Alâeddin Keykûbad. However, a traitor-revealed to be Emir Sadettin Köpek-in the palace revealed his identity to Ögeday, so Sungurtekin had to leave his post and return home.
Meanwhile, Aytolun (Hayme Ana's sister in law - Korkut Bey's second wife and Tuğtekin's step-mother), plots to help her brother Gümüştekin become the margrave, or Uçbey in Turkish, with the help of Emir Sadettin Köpek, who himself is plotting to become the Sultan by secretly working together with the Mongols. Aytolun's plot includes the marriage of Gökçe and Tuğtekin, as well as the marriage of Gündögdu and Goncagül, her niece and Gümüştekin's only daughter. These marriages will help tie the Dodurga and Kayi tribes together permanently, and in her estimation, will aid her brother become the margrave. While Tuğtekin is genuinely in love with Gökçe, she initially is still hung up on Ertuğrul, much to Halime Sultan's chagrin. Eventually they do marry and both sincerely love each other.
Goncagül kills an old lady who knew that Aytolun killed Duru Hatun, Korkut Bey's late wife, and Tuğtekin's mother. Selcan is suspicious that the murder is connected to Aytolun. In the effort to make her father margrave, Goncagül steal the Oğuz Khan seal from Sungurtekin, which is critical for uniting all the Turkic tribes and defeating the Mongols. She gives the seal to her father, who gives it to Sadettin Köpek, who eventually gives it to Tangut.
Noyan is captured by Gündoğdu with the help of Hamza. Hamza is able to redeem himself before he dies. Gündoğdu wants to take Noyan back to the tribe to formally execute him for his war crimes, but Sadettin Köpek saves him from death by claiming that peace has been declared between the Seljuks and Mongols. Gündoğdu is forced to let Noyan go. Sadettin Köpek makes a deal with Tangut to kill Noyan so that Tangut can become the general of the Mongols. He also makes a deal with Noyan as well. In both deals, his condition is that he becomes the Sultan of the empire. Sungurtekin and Deli Demir go on a secret mission to kill Noyan, but instead they fight Tangut's men. Tangut kills Deli Demir, and then Sungurtekin kills Tangut. This way, Sungurtekin is able to retrieve the Oğuz Khan seal.
The only people immediately aware of Aytolun's evil intentions are Selcan and Ertuğrul. Selcan is able to convince Halime to believe her as well. Most people think Selcan is making accusations because she is jealous that her husband is trying to marry Aytolun's niece, Goncagül. Korkut Bey is not aware of Aytolun's true nature, and is poisoned by her. He dies, having found out that Aytolun also killed Duru Hatun too late. Aytolun attempts to place the blame of Korkut Bey's death on Banu Çiçek. Doğan Alp, who is in love with Banu Çiçek, helps her escape before they can kill her unfairly. With the help of Ertuğrul and Halime Sultan, Selcan is able to prove to Tuğtekin that Aytolun really did kill Duru Hatun. Abdurrahman Alp kills Aytolun, but Goncagül gets away. Gümüştekin Bey is executed for treason as he also plays a major role in the deaths.
Goncagül plots her revenge for her aunt and father by asking Sadettin Köpek for help. He introduces her to Noyan, and encourages them to work together. They plot to kill Tuğtekin, as he now supports Ertuğrul. Noyan kidnaps Gökçe to lure Tuğtekin to a trap, but while Gökçe is captured, she kills Goncagül and escapes. Noyan recaptures Gökçe, and is furious that she has killed Goncagül, who he has fallen in love with. Therefore he kills Gökçe in front of Tuğtekin, and then kills Tuğtekin as well for revenge. Noyan is finally killed by Ertuğrul.
After defeating Noyan, the tribe is split between joining Ertuğrul on the Western border of Anatolia, or staying with Gündoğdu and Sungurtekin. In the end, Ertuğrul, his brother Dündar, Halime Sultan, and Hayme Ana, along with 400 other people journey to the western edge of Anatolia, leaving behind the rest of the Kayi Tribe, who decide to settle in the Eastern Anatolian city of Ahlat. On their way to Bilecik, Halime Sultan's younger brother Yiğit is murdered by Sadettin Kopek's men. 96.227.111.43 ( talk) 15:40, 13 June 2020 (UTC)
If there's good sources about Erdoğan's involvement/comments on this series, that could be a good addition. Gråbergs Gråa Sång ( talk) 09:44, 18 June 2020 (UTC)
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So,I wanted to edit season 2 as it has no story of how Ertugrul was tourtered,Halime was pregnant,neithet about the birth of Gunduz and Yigit's death 39.57.69.34 ( talk) 07:04, 20 June 2020 (UTC)
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CleanKeyMaster ( talk) 17:21, 24 June 2020 (UTC)
PTV's YouTube channel for the series had gained over 6 million subscribers & 690 million views as of June 2020
PTV's YouTube channel for the series had gained over 6 million subscribers & 690 million views as of June 2020 CleanKeyMaster ( talk) 17:22, 24 June 2020 (UTC)
@ Joelaroche and Balolay: You have both been edit warring at the article. WP:Edit warring is against Wikipedia rules and could get you blocked from editing. I have temporarily protected the article to stop the edit warring. Discuss your differences here at the talk page instead. Be specific about what you think the article should say or not say. And focus on the content; don't complain about the other editor. Just prove that your version is the right one. -- MelanieN ( talk) 17:01, 13 July 2020 (UTC)
I invite User:Joelaroche here to discuss his concerns regarding the initial version of the article. I hope that we reach a middle ground hete on which all parties agree meanwhile I am restoring the article on its initial version. I will also respond to the changes made in the article by him/her here in a detailed way a little later. Regards Balolay ( talk) 04:16, 14 July 2020 (UTC)
MelanieN, it could be time to protect this article again. Gråbergs Gråa Sång ( talk) 21:08, 29 July 2020 (UTC)
User:Balolay. This is in regards to the following content:
"The show has been well received, particularly in South Asia and Azerbaijan.[4][5] However, several countries in the Arab world have banned the show and fatwas have been issued against it.[6][7][8] The show has also received criticism for a lack of historical accuracy,[9] depiction of non-Muslims in a negative manner and for glorifying Islamic fundamentalism.[3][10]"
First point: This claims that the show is historically inaccurate. I believe that this is irrelevant as the show is fictitious and has not claimed to be accurate. Also, looking at the source, this claim is coming from the opinion piece of a Physics teacher, not an expert in the relevant field of history. See WP:SPS.
Second point: This claims that the show depicts non-muslims in a negative manner. I could not find this claim in the cited source. Post the quote and link here.
Third point: There is a claim that the show glorifies Islamic fundamentalism. Again, I could not find this claim in the cited sources. If it's there, quote it and post the link.
Fourth point: There is a sentence that claims that the show has multiple fatwas against it. One source mentions only Egypt, and the other source is questionable as its exceptional claims are not fact checked or backed by any other source that I could find. See WP:QS and WP:EXCEPTIONAL.
Fifth point: The first sentence is not backed by the cited sources. The sources only mention Pakistan, not the rest of South Asia or Azerbaijan. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Joelaroche ( talk • contribs) 11:57, 14 July 2020 (UTC)
Comment Balolay, "The show has also received criticism for a lack of historical accuracy,[10] depiction of non-Muslims in a negative manner and for glorifying Islamic fundamentalism.[3][11]" Does not belong in the WP:LEAD since it's not a summary of anything in the body. Move it to the body, perhaps expand it, then maybe it may deserve a mention in the lead, maybe not. Gråbergs Gråa Sång ( talk) 11:58, 15 July 2020 (UTC)
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"However, several countries in the Arab world have banned the show and fatwas have been issued against it."
Your sources for this, Yeni Şafak and nayaduar.tv, are questionable and unreliable. See WP:QUESTIONABLE. Provide evidence that they have a reputation for fact-checking and accuracy.
"The show has also received criticism for a lack of historical accuracy"
See WP:HISTRS and Wikipedia:Reliable source examples#History. When dealing with history, it is generally recommended to provide reliable sources that include authoritative figures in the relevant area. An opinion piece by a physics teacher does not fit this description. Furthermore, if this were to be included in the article, it would need to be clearly shown that it is an opinion. See WP:RSOPINION. For example, Pervez Hoodbhoy, a writer for Dawn and physics teacher, criticized the show by describing it as "a free-wheeling caricature of 13th-century Anatolia of which we know next to nothing." This should also not be included in the WP:LEAD. See WP:UNDUE. Since this is the viewpoint of an extremely small minority, including this or giving a summary of this author's opinion in the WP:LEAD would give it more than needed attention and space, which is highly inappropriate as it would give it undue weight.
"depiction of non-Muslims in a negative manner"
You haven't addressed my second point about this.
"and for glorifying Islamic fundamentalism."
I don't see how "dangerous delusions" is in any way evidence of the show glorifying Islamic fundamentalism, a movement which did not exist in the 13th century. Please explain. Joelaroche ( talk) 12:42, 15 July 2020 (UTC)
You don’t negotiate with me about what to say; you negotiate with the other editors here. Here’s where the situation stands:
So those are the issue that need consensus. You should probably discuss them separately, since some of them might not even be controversial, or might reach agreement more easily than others. -- MelanieN ( talk) 17:51, 16 July 2020 (UTC)
Joelaroche Sorry for being obscure. That quote was just because I thought it was funny, not very useful as content. The article, however, may have some use somewhere. And thanks for the info. Gråbergs Gråa Sång ( talk) 21:49, 22 July 2020 (UTC)
Since there's more editors participating, I'd like to suggest reinserting Bilgiç also received negative attention from Pakistani fans on social media, who critisized her behaviour outside the series as morally lacking.[15][16][17] Other castmembers have also been affected.[18] (not in the lead, after the "like to visit Pakistan" bit). Previously discussed and reffed in the Talk:Diriliş:_Ertuğrul#Controversial_statements thread above. One more ref [16] (already used for other stuff in the article) And another [17]. Gråbergs Gråa Sång ( talk) 16:09, 17 July 2020 (UTC)
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Hi there,
Please change "Bogac tries to kill Gunduz, but is killed by Turgut, who rescues Gunduz and is made head of Alps by Ertugrul." to "Bogac tries to kill Gunduz, but is killed by Hayme and Turgut. They rescue Gunduz and Turgut is made head of Alps by Ertugrul." because it is Hayme who kills Bogac with a bow and arrow, not Turgut.
Also, I was wanting to add in some of the episode listings from Netflix for some of the main events, to create ease of navigation for those watching the series. These are within the "Cast and characters" description box.
Aykiz Hatun: Change "Dies after getting seriously burnt while fighting the Mongols at the beginning of Season 2." to "Dies after getting seriously burnt while fighting the Mongols (Netflix Season 2, Episode 4)"
Deli Demir: Change " Is killed by Tangut." to " Is killed by Tangut (Netflix Season 2, Episode 63"
Gokce Hatun: Change "Later becomes wife of Tuğtekin, Bey of the Dodurga tribe." to "Later becomes wife of Tuğtekin, Bey of the Dodurga tribe (Netflix Season 2, Episode 67)."
Gokce Hatun: Change "Is killed by Noyan along with her husband Tugtekin." to "Is killed by Noyan along with her husband Tugtekin (Netflix Season 2, Episode 92)."
Tugtekin Bey: Change "However, he is killed by Noyan but still encourages the migration." to "However, he is killed by Noyan (Netflix Season 2, Episode 95) but still encourages the migration"
Shahzade Yigit/Yigit Alp: Change "Killed in an ambush laid by Emir Sadettin." to "Killed in an ambush laid by Emir Sadettin at the end of Season 2 (Netflix Season 2, Episode 103).
Dogan Alp: Change " Is later killed by Vasilius and Ural.Gets married to Banu Cicek of dodurga tribe and has a son named Doğan." to "Gets married to Banu Cicek of Dodurga tribe and has a son named Doğan. Is later killed by Vasilius and Ural (Netflix Season 3, Episode 67)."
Bamsi Beyrek: Change "Married Hafsa Hatun and has two children, Aslihan and Aybars." to " Married Hafsa Hatun (Netflix Season 3, Episode 73) and has two children, Aslihan and Aybars."
Hafsa Hatun/Helena: Change "Later lives with the Kayı tribe and became Bamsi Beyrek's wife, converted to Islam and changed her name to Hafsa." to "Later lives with the Kayı tribe and became Bamsi Beyrek's wife (Netflix Season 3, Episode 73), converted to Islam and changed her name to Hafsa."
Halime Sultan: Change "Dies shortly after giving birth to Osman." to "Dies shortly after giving birth to Osman (Netflix Season 4, Episode 76)."
Suleyman Alp: Change "Killed by Beybolat Bey/Albaştı." to "Killed by Beybolat Bey/Albaştı (Season 5, Episode 55)." Ceejayy55 ( talk) 20:50, 20 July 2020 (UTC)
Hi, there is a problem in one of its contents. In Season 1(1.1 content), check Halime Sultan (of 17th century). It should be Halime Sultan (of 13th century). IAmAtHome ( talk) 02:41, 22 July 2020 (UTC)
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Please allow me to edit this Article. Please remove "Muslim Game of Thornes" from this arcticle because this is not "Game of Thornes". 78.95.159.255 ( talk) 08:43, 10 August 2020 (UTC)
Done Seagull123 Φ 13:11, 10 August 2020 (UTC)
Someone who knows could insert a short parenthesis telling us what an alp is in this series. Somewhere in the season 2 section, perhaps. Gråbergs Gråa Sång ( talk) 08:45, 1 September 2020 (UTC)
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@ IAmAtHome: Sorry for interruption, but Alp is a given Male name in Turkey, you can check it here Alp (name) hope it helps, but it’s quite rare, some people may use this as a short name. Tahaaleem ( talk) 09:54, 1 September 2020 (UTC)
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This section is becoming very bloated. I looked around for some guidance on this, and found MOS:TVCAST. I quote:
Remember to follow the notability guidelines when creating a cast list: not every fictional character ever created deserves to be listed and far fewer will deserve an individual article (the average TV series has no characters that need stand-alone articles). It may be appropriate to split the cast listing by "Main" and "Recurring" cast or characters. If the series is long-running, and has a large number of recurring guest stars, it may be better to create a separate list of characters articles (see below for style guidelines on "List of ..." pages).
I think it would be an improvement if we cut this list to "main" cast, possibly adding a column for which seasons they are in, and either deleted the rest or put them in a separate article. Gråbergs Gråa Sång ( talk) 11:30, 7 September 2020 (UTC)
The genre "Islamic" in the infobox should be changed into Islamic history. 45.125.220.162 ( talk) 17:35, 19 October 2020 (UTC)
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Let me edit the characters and the plot please.
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Originally aired 179.181.126.45 ( talk) 15:38, 4 December 2020 (UTC)
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change pregnent to pregnant in the season 2 description ATandem ( talk) 19:42, 6 December 2020 (UTC)
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I would like to edit this article because there are multiple spoilers in this article that really aren't fair to new watchers. And there are grammatical errors, spelling errors, punctuation errors, etc. NekoSenpai15 ( talk) 14:03, 9 December 2020 (UTC)
I think someone should add a logo rather than the TRT Ertugrul by PTV thumbnail in the infobox. Limorina ( talk) 15:36, 13 December 2020 (UTC)
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PLease anyone change File:TRT Ertugrul by PTV.png to File:DirilişErtugrul.jpg in the Pakistan section of the article because File:TRT Ertugrul by PTV.png is uploaded under wrong license on wikimedia commons while File:DirilişErtugrul.jpg is also a poster of this series by PTV uploaded under the suitable license of fair use and can be used instead of it.Thank You. 119.160.119.130 ( talk) 10:52, 18 December 2020 (UTC)
I just reverted this:
"It's Turkish, Urdu and Arabic language YouTube channels together have over 3 billion views worldwide. [1] [2] [3]"
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"We don't care, and per the sources you added, no they don't. Take it to the talkpage, and bring other sources than YT."
If any such numbers are to be mentioned, they need secondary WP:RS who noticed and bothered to write something about it (compare with what's in the article already), otherwise they are not interesting to mention, this is not a fan-page. Also WP:LEAD.
Comments? Gråbergs Gråa Sång ( talk) 13:15, 18 December 2020 (UTC)
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Loyal Kayi Alp, blood brothers to Gunket and Melikshah. One of the front Alps most loyal to Ertugrul, Bamsi and Tugrut. Martyred by Arikkbuka in Season 5. LolaNazele ( talk) 03:53, 26 December 2020 (UTC)
Limorina, is Sadettins actor really credited in seasons 1 & 5? Also, is Esra credited in season 5? IronManCap ( talk) 17:55, 8 January 2021 (UTC)
@ Tahaaleem, IronManCap, and Empire AS: So, I was thinking if it was worth putting time into adding a plot summary for each episode. I'm talking about the DE seasons articles as a whole like I did for the KO seasons. It may take me five weeks to do it but if it's worth it, I'll do it maybe if someone could help me. Limorina ( talk) 23:16, 10 January 2021 (UTC)
IronManCap, so the truth is, in the show, nobody is called "Bey Hatun" neither are they called "Hanım." In the show, they are either called "Head Hatun" or "Hatun." "Bey Hatun" is just a load of nonsense, especially the "second-in-command" bit, we can link it with her being the wife if the Bey but it still seems very wrong. "Hanım" is the historical term for this title which was the reason Michelle Tomlinson added it which isn't relevant because this show is fiction and it's a show anyway. What we can do now is just keep it as Hanım or change it all to Hatun or Head Hatun but Bey Hatun is just a load of nonsense and that title doesn't even exist in the show or history. Limorina ( talk) 10:31, 11 January 2021 (UTC)
This show is a historical show that is based on real life events. Using the title of hanim is not wrong. They have used this title in the show before actually and the title of bey hatun has been used multiple times. Head Hatun has been used once and that was only in the last episode. Nevertheless, the historically accurate title is Hanim. You cannot use 'hatun' because that just means lady and nearly every Turkish woman is referred to as hatun.
Don't understand how wife of the bey is wrong. A woman becomes leader of the women because of her husband's position. Also, the second in command stuff was removed anyway so don't know why you're bringing up old stuff. Michelle Tomlinson ( talk) 12:21, 12 January 2021 (UTC)
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change wows in season 3 desc. to vows [typo] ATandem ( talk) 16:39, 18 January 2021 (UTC)
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Campycipro, about this edit: [20]. That TRT writes "Look how popular we are on Youtube!!!!!!" is not very interesting to put in the article per WP:ABOUTSELF #1. It's possibly a little better than citing YT directly, but not much. WP is not here to sell this tv-series. Gråbergs Gråa Sång ( talk) 14:01, 28 May 2021 (UTC)
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The last column have no title, what should it be? Also, the source is wrong. Gråbergs Gråa Sång ( talk) 12:46, 10 August 2017 (UTC)
Regarding the table containing the list of characters: 1) To make it easier to locate a specific name, the listing of names in the table should be in alphabetical order. 2) Because the subject of the article is the story being portrayed, perhaps the first column should be the name of the character portrayed, with the second column containing the name of the actor who portrays the character. Cosmo1976 ( talk) 10:02, 25 December 2017 (UTC)
Turkish TV's new-found love for all things Ottoman may be good for something. Gråbergs Gråa Sång ( talk) 11:00, 27 December 2017 (UTC)
What do these numbers mean? The reference is a Turkish-language Twitter account which I cannot easily search. 76.119.114.192 ( talk) 20:52, 31 July 2019 (UTC)
Try dividing the plot into sections "per season". And possibly more paragraphs. Gråbergs Gråa Sång ( talk) 18:50, 9 January 2020 (UTC)
Could be a useful source. Gråbergs Gråa Sång ( talk) 18:27, 12 March 2020 (UTC)
Can we please collapse this section? I's annoyingly long. As is the season 5 section, who is going to read that? Gråbergs Gråa Sång ( talk) 08:57, 11 May 2020 (UTC)
User:Gråbergs Gråa Sång changed my edit after i removed a controversial and childish statement from Reception and put my part with tons of RS — Preceding unsigned comment added by Truthwins018 ( talk • contribs) 11:38, 19 May 2020 (UTC)
Journalist Aimun Faisal writes in Dawn that "[Esra Bilgiç] was the ultimate Pakistani, male fantasy. A miracle happened and she became real. Now Pakistani men do not know how to deal with the paradox of the dichotomy their misogyny had created.". [1] On social media, Bilgiç was lectured by Pakistani fans on the subject of religion. [2]
.The show received almost instant fame, mostly due to it reviving islamic message and also due to Pakistan Turk friendship. The channel TRT ertugrul by ptv [3] might even break world record for most subscribers in one month and ptv news is quoted as " The current record is 6.6 million and the channel Ertugrul Ghazi can beat that with your love! We have 15 days to make history [4]" with currently going strong at 3.7million subscribers in 24 days. Following the reception Turkish actress Esra, who essays the role of Halime Sultan, said “I’m waiting excitedly to meet you all in Pakistan after this period. [5] followed by Engin Altan (who plays the role of ertugrul) who expressed his wish to visit Pakistan soon to meet his fans [6] followed by Cengiz Coskun [7] who plays Turgut in the series and Turkish actor Cavit Çetin Güner who featured in famous historical drama series Ertugrul as ‘Dogan Alp’, has announced that he will visit Pakistan soon. In a video, he stated that Pakistan is his 'second home.' [8] and much of the cast
User:Gråbergs Gråa Sång Thanks for notifying me on the errors and i would i working on them. I am willing to remove the part which you claim is promotion although i am only quoting the truth, it actually has that much subscribers and i can even cite the message by the ertugrul official team on instagram and many articles . I cannot consider dnd as a reliable source. I think it targets a specific community cause i have also come across other communities targeting her and not just a specific, as this also seems as an opinion to frame a specific community. I will remove the quotes without source but i also believe that the removed statements about the Pakistani men should not be included cause it is Pakistan where the show received its most fame.
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The show is popular in Pakistan, partly aided by COVID-19 pandemic quarantine. According to PTV News, their Youtube channel for the series had more than a million subscribers in May. [9] Several of the actors expressed gratitude for the attention from Pakistani fans, Engin Altan Düzyatan and Esra Bilgiç adding that they would like to visit the country. [10] [11] Bilgiç also received negative attention from Pakistani fans on social media, who critisized her behaviour outside the series as morally lacking. [12] [13] [14] Gråbergs Gråa Sång ( talk) 12:11, 20 May 2020 (UTC)
User:Gråbergs Gråa Sång i assume it received more views on the pakistani dubbed version than the turkish one itself. I just made a general overview so that it can be sorted out later so that's why i was a bit messy. I still wouldn't completely agree on terming the criticism on one particular community as many turkish and indians were also criticizing her but majority of it is fine Truthwins018 ( talk) 19:27, 20 May 2020 (UTC)
More disagreement (pinging USaamo): [3]
IMO this text
Bilgiç also received negative attention from Pakistani fans on social media, who critisized her behaviour outside the series as morally lacking. [15] [16] [17] Other castmembers have also been affected. [18]
Is in WP:PROPORTION due the sources used, and there are more. Also the above edit has hints of WP:PUFFERY, and youtube numbers should not be cited to youtube, if no decent secondary source bothered to mention them they are not interesting to include. See also MOS:DATED. Gråbergs Gråa Sång ( talk) 19:25, 21 May 2020 (UTC)
Since noone has commented for a few days, I'm choosing to reinsert this, will also add an additional ref. Gråbergs Gråa Sång ( talk) 09:55, 25 May 2020 (UTC)
User:Gråbergs Gråa Sång Your version is largely fine now after all the sources but i would still propose changing Pakistani fans to just Fans in general cause they are criticized by people of many countries. Its just that those countries didnot write articles about it Truthwins018 ( talk) 00:21, 27 May 2020 (UTC)
'Relevance of content' Bilgiç also received negative attention from Pakistani fans on social media, who criticized her behaviour outside the series as morally lacking. [19] [20] [21] Other castmembers have also been affected. [22] [23]
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- ^ Faisal, Aimun (13 May 2020). "Ertugrul, Esra Bilgic and the frustrations of Pakistani men". Dawn (newspaper). Retrieved 18 May 2020.
- ^ "Esra Bilgic Age, Instagram, Pictures & Biography | Ertuğrul". Dispatch News Desk. 14 May 2020. Retrieved 18 May 2020.
- ^ "TRT Ertugrul by PTV". YouTube. Retrieved 2020-05-19.
- ^ Staff, Images (2020-05-09). "PTV is keen on breaking a YouTube world record with a little help from Ertugrul". Images. Retrieved 2020-05-19.
- ^ "'Ertuğrul ': After Esra Bilgic another Turkish actress wants to visit Pakistan". www.thenews.com.pk. Retrieved 2020-05-19.
- ^ Desk, News (2020-05-19). "Engin Altan 'Ertugrul' expresses love for Pakistan, wishes to meet fans". Global Village Space. Retrieved 2020-05-19.
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has generic name ( help)- ^ "'Ertugrul' sensation Engin Altan, Cengiz Coskun and Cavit Guner want to visit Pakistan". The Nation. 2020-05-18. Retrieved 2020-05-19.
- ^ "'Ertugrul' sensation Engin Altan, Cengiz Coskun and Cavit Guner want to visit Pakistan". The Nation. 2020-05-18. Retrieved 2020-05-19.
- ^ Staff, Images (2020-05-09). "PTV is keen on breaking a YouTube world record with a little help from Ertugrul". Images. Retrieved 2020-05-19.
- ^ Desk, News (2020-05-19). "Engin Altan 'Ertugrul' expresses love for Pakistan, wishes to meet fans". Global Village Space. Retrieved 2020-05-19.
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has generic name ( help)- ^ "'Ertugrul' sensation Engin Altan, Cengiz Coskun and Cavit Guner want to visit Pakistan". The Nation. 2020-05-18. Retrieved 2020-05-19.
- ^ Faisal, Aimun (13 May 2020). "Ertugrul, Esra Bilgic and the frustrations of Pakistani men". Images. Dawn (newspaper). Retrieved 20 May 2020.
- ^ Staff, Images (11 May 2020). "Pakistani fans are moral policing Ertugrul's Esra Bilgic on Instagram". Dawn (newspaper). Retrieved 20 May 2020.
- ^ "Astaghfirullah Halima Baji: Behave like a Muslim woman". India Today. Retrieved 20 May 2020.
- ^ Faisal, Aimun (13 May 2020). "Ertugrul, Esra Bilgic and the frustrations of Pakistani men". Images. Dawn (newspaper). Retrieved 20 May 2020.
- ^ Staff, Images (11 May 2020). "Pakistani fans are moral policing Ertugrul's Esra Bilgic on Instagram". Dawn (newspaper). Retrieved 20 May 2020.
- ^ "Astaghfirullah Halima Baji: Behave like a Muslim woman". India Today. Retrieved 20 May 2020.
- ^ "Ertugrul cast gets trolled on social media | SAMAA". Samaa TV. 12 May 2020. Retrieved 21 May 2020.
- ^ Faisal, Aimun (13 May 2020). "Ertugrul, Esra Bilgic and the frustrations of Pakistani men". Images. Dawn (newspaper). Retrieved 20 May 2020.
- ^ Staff, Images (11 May 2020). "Pakistani fans are moral policing Ertugrul's Esra Bilgic on Instagram". Dawn (newspaper). Retrieved 20 May 2020.
- ^ "Astaghfirullah Halima Baji: Behave like a Muslim woman". India Today. Retrieved 20 May 2020.
- ^ "Ertugrul cast gets trolled on social media | SAMAA". Samaa TV. 12 May 2020. Retrieved 21 May 2020.
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The said content's relevance here needed to be established. This is not about the series but about the actors' behaviour and personal life outside the series. Wikipedia:Relevance WP:RELE USaamo ( t@lk) 09:39, 30 May 2020 (UTC)
I would agree with User: USaamo here cause her criticism was not on her moral image in the show but outside of the show. The criticism has nothing to do with her dressing or anything she portrayed in the show Truthwins018 ( talk) 19:11, 30 May 2020 (UTC)
I agree with USaamo. What the cast do in their personal life is irrelevant to the show. The criticism of the cast doesn't have anything to do with the content of show. Joelaroche ( talk) 06:28, 18 July 2020 (UTC)
[5] says 179. imdb [6] agrees.
List of Diriliş: Ertuğrul episodes disagrees. Diriliş:_Ertuğrul#Episodes really disagrees. Anyone care to sort this out? Gråbergs Gråa Sång ( talk) 18:28, 20 May 2020 (UTC)
Sikander Teavannaa or anyone else, can you help me understand why the episodes are counted so differently at tvguide.com, compared to this, imdb and this article? Was it somehow re-cut or something at some point? And how should we deal with it in article-space? tvguide gives 2 numbers per episode for season 2, none of which rhymes with a total of 179. imdb isn't highly thought of as a ref on WP, but counting the number of episode in a tv-series is one thing I expect them to do right. Gråbergs Gråa Sång ( talk) 17:59, 24 May 2020 (UTC)
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Add Busra Cubukcuoglu in characters Saadshabbir735 ( talk) 02:57, 29 May 2020 (UTC)
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Plz I need to edit info is wrong Sakina1214 ( talk) 19:07, 18 July 2020 (UTC)
Kindly add death of Aykiz in 2nd season description. Sakina1214 ( talk) 13:37, 13 August 2020 (UTC)
Thank you. Sorry for the spoiler. Sakina1214 ( talk) 07:59, 15 August 2020 (UTC)
Any comment on if this [7] has any connection to reality? Gråbergs Gråa Sång ( talk) 20:19, 3 June 2020 (UTC)
Balolay, [11] You got it the wrong way around. The WP:LEAD is a summary of the body. If there is nothing in the body to summarize, it's not in the lead, and just duplicating text is not good writing. This is very basic WP-structure. Gråbergs Gråa Sång ( talk) 16:21, 6 June 2020 (UTC)
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Season 1 Seeking to solve the unrest, Suleyman Shah sends his son Ertuğrul on a mission to find a new place for the nomad group to settle. He specifically sends Ertuğrul and his three best alps (Turgut, Bamsi and Doĝan) to seek an agreement with the Sultan of Aleppo, El Aziz. This angers Ertuğrul's half-brother, Gündoğdu, as settling the tribe in Aleppo was his idea. Before leaving for Aleppo, Ertuğrul saves Halime Sultan and her father and brother from the Templars. Halime Sultan refuses to reveal her true identity initially, but the Kayi tribe eventually find out that Halime Sultan's father is the brother of Sultan Alâeddin Keykûbad, the Sultan of the Seljuk Empire, and thus a prince. Ertuğrul and Halime Sultan fall in love. Ertuğrul successfully makes an agreement with El Aziz, and his tribe settles in Aleppo. However, El Aziz is surrounded by secret agents working for the Templars. They convince him to execute his uncle and break his agreement with Ertuğrul. El Aziz, who is not the most clever ruler, falls in love with Halime Sultan and tries to force her to become his wife when he finds out her true identity. Ertuğrul works tirelessly to show El Aziz the Truth, but El Aziz is only convinced when his soldiers disobey his orders and attempt to kill him.
Turgut, one of Ertuğrul's closest friends and strongest alps, and Yiğit (Halime Sultan's younger brother) are captured by the Templars and taken to their castle. While Turgut is tortured senseless in the dungeon, Yiğit is taken into the castle and treated like royalty. Turgut is made to drink a drug everyday, to which he becomes addicted. This drug also makes Turgut's mind muddled, and he begins to believe that he is aligned with the Templars, and not with the Kayi Tribe. The only thing that grounds him to reality is his relationship with Aykiz, the girl he wants to marry. The Templars train Turgut to fight for their side, and even when Turgut is returned to the Kayi tribe, they are able to continue giving him the drug through their secret allies in the tribe. Aykiz works tirelessly to heal Turgut, which eventually works. They eventually are able to marry.
The Templars additionally plan to use Yiğit to take over Sultan Alâeddin Keykûbad's throne, as Yiğit will give them legitimacy. Although Yiğit is just a small boy, he sees through their schemes. He is befriended by Isadora, the niece of the head Templar, Petruccio Manzini. Although her uncle is evil, Isadora is a sincere Christian and hates her uncle for killing her sister and imprisoning her father because he converted to Islam. Isadora leaves the Templar's castle to give the Kayi tribe important information about how to infiltrate the castle and defeat her uncle. She is found out, and her uncle orders her to be imprisoned and killed for her treachery. Before the guards can take her, Isadora stabs her uncle with a poisoned dagger. Isadora is murdered in the dungeons by her uncle's command. Petruccio becomes gravely ill. Titus takes over as the leader of the Templars. Petruccio is eventually executed when the Templar castle is conquered by the Kayi Tribe.
Gündoğdu struggles with the lies within the tribe. Gündoğdu's wife, Selcan, plots her revenge against Süleyman Shah, who sentenced her father to death for treason against their tribe when she was seven years old. Although Süleyman Shah raised Selcan and her sister Gökçe as his adoptive daughters after, Selcan still harbors resentment in her heart. She even works together with Kurdoğulu, Süleyman Shah's brother, to plot the demise of Süleyman Shah. Little does she know, Kurdoğulu is not after simple revenge, and is actually secretly working with the Templars to become the Bey of the Tribe himself. With the support of the Templars, Kurdoğlu stages a coup and removes Süleyman Shah from the position of Bey of the tribe. Selcan changes her ways when she finds out what Kurdoğulu is up to, and Halime Sultan saves her life by preventing her from drinking poisoned water. She seeks guidance from Ibn Arabi, who recommends she reveals her wrongdoings to her family for true redemption. She proves she has changed when she jumps in front of Titus's arrow for Gündoğdu and almost dies. Turgut plays a key role in saving Süleyman Shah's family and reversing the coup.
By the end of the season, the Kayi tribe, led by Ertuğrul, defeats the Templars and takes over their castle. They are able to do so with Yiğit's help as he has important information about the tunnels under the castle. Kurdoğulu is sentenced to death for treason. Ertuğrul and Halime Sultan are able to marry after Gökçe releases her imagined claim on Ertuğrul. Süleyman Shah dies at the end of the season while riding his horse through a river, which Hayme Ana, his wife, sees in her dream as a premonition. She becomes the leader of the Kayi tribe when Süleyman Shah dies. The clan decides to leave Aleppo and migrate to Anatolia.
Season 2
In the second season, Ertuğrul is captured by Tangut, who is Baycu Noyan's right hand man, and an army of Mongols. Halime Sultan runs back to the tribe for help, only to discover that the Mongols have killed everyone there and completely burnt the tribe to the ground. The survivors of the Kayi Tribe led by Hayme Ana seeks refuge with the Dodurga tribe, led by Korkut Bey, who is also Hayme Ana's brother. While captured, Noyan seriously injures Ertuğrul's sword-using hand by driving a nail into it. Ertuğrul's escape from the Mongols and subsequent return to his tribe creates internal strife between him and his cousin Tuğtekin, who becomes the head alp of the Dodurga and Kayi tribes as everyone had presumed Ertuğrul to be dead. The tension is further escalated with the arrival of Sungurtekin, Ertuğrul's long lost brother. Sungurtekin was previously a spy against Ögeday for Sultan Alâeddin Keykûbad. However, a traitor-revealed to be Emir Sadettin Köpek-in the palace revealed his identity to Ögeday, so Sungurtekin had to leave his post and return home.
Meanwhile, Aytolun (Hayme Ana's sister in law - Korkut Bey's second wife and Tuğtekin's step-mother), plots to help her brother Gümüştekin become the margrave, or Uçbey in Turkish, with the help of Emir Sadettin Köpek, who himself is plotting to become the Sultan by secretly working together with the Mongols. Aytolun's plot includes the marriage of Gökçe and Tuğtekin, as well as the marriage of Gündögdu and Goncagül, her niece and Gümüştekin's only daughter. These marriages will help tie the Dodurga and Kayi tribes together permanently, and in her estimation, will aid her brother become the margrave. While Tuğtekin is genuinely in love with Gökçe, she initially is still hung up on Ertuğrul, much to Halime Sultan's chagrin. Eventually they do marry and both sincerely love each other.
Goncagül kills an old lady who knew that Aytolun killed Duru Hatun, Korkut Bey's late wife, and Tuğtekin's mother. Selcan is suspicious that the murder is connected to Aytolun. In the effort to make her father margrave, Goncagül steal the Oğuz Khan seal from Sungurtekin, which is critical for uniting all the Turkic tribes and defeating the Mongols. She gives the seal to her father, who gives it to Sadettin Köpek, who eventually gives it to Tangut.
Noyan is captured by Gündoğdu with the help of Hamza. Hamza is able to redeem himself before he dies. Gündoğdu wants to take Noyan back to the tribe to formally execute him for his war crimes, but Sadettin Köpek saves him from death by claiming that peace has been declared between the Seljuks and Mongols. Gündoğdu is forced to let Noyan go. Sadettin Köpek makes a deal with Tangut to kill Noyan so that Tangut can become the general of the Mongols. He also makes a deal with Noyan as well. In both deals, his condition is that he becomes the Sultan of the empire. Sungurtekin and Deli Demir go on a secret mission to kill Noyan, but instead they fight Tangut's men. Tangut kills Deli Demir, and then Sungurtekin kills Tangut. This way, Sungurtekin is able to retrieve the Oğuz Khan seal.
The only people immediately aware of Aytolun's evil intentions are Selcan and Ertuğrul. Selcan is able to convince Halime to believe her as well. Most people think Selcan is making accusations because she is jealous that her husband is trying to marry Aytolun's niece, Goncagül. Korkut Bey is not aware of Aytolun's true nature, and is poisoned by her. He dies, having found out that Aytolun also killed Duru Hatun too late. Aytolun attempts to place the blame of Korkut Bey's death on Banu Çiçek. Doğan Alp, who is in love with Banu Çiçek, helps her escape before they can kill her unfairly. With the help of Ertuğrul and Halime Sultan, Selcan is able to prove to Tuğtekin that Aytolun really did kill Duru Hatun. Abdurrahman Alp kills Aytolun, but Goncagül gets away. Gümüştekin Bey is executed for treason as he also plays a major role in the deaths.
Goncagül plots her revenge for her aunt and father by asking Sadettin Köpek for help. He introduces her to Noyan, and encourages them to work together. They plot to kill Tuğtekin, as he now supports Ertuğrul. Noyan kidnaps Gökçe to lure Tuğtekin to a trap, but while Gökçe is captured, she kills Goncagül and escapes. Noyan recaptures Gökçe, and is furious that she has killed Goncagül, who he has fallen in love with. Therefore he kills Gökçe in front of Tuğtekin, and then kills Tuğtekin as well for revenge. Noyan is finally killed by Ertuğrul.
After defeating Noyan, the tribe is split between joining Ertuğrul on the Western border of Anatolia, or staying with Gündoğdu and Sungurtekin. In the end, Ertuğrul, his brother Dündar, Halime Sultan, and Hayme Ana, along with 400 other people journey to the western edge of Anatolia, leaving behind the rest of the Kayi Tribe, who decide to settle in the Eastern Anatolian city of Ahlat. On their way to Bilecik, Halime Sultan's younger brother Yiğit is murdered by Sadettin Kopek's men. 96.227.111.43 ( talk) 15:40, 13 June 2020 (UTC)
If there's good sources about Erdoğan's involvement/comments on this series, that could be a good addition. Gråbergs Gråa Sång ( talk) 09:44, 18 June 2020 (UTC)
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So,I wanted to edit season 2 as it has no story of how Ertugrul was tourtered,Halime was pregnant,neithet about the birth of Gunduz and Yigit's death 39.57.69.34 ( talk) 07:04, 20 June 2020 (UTC)
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CleanKeyMaster ( talk) 17:21, 24 June 2020 (UTC)
PTV's YouTube channel for the series had gained over 6 million subscribers & 690 million views as of June 2020
PTV's YouTube channel for the series had gained over 6 million subscribers & 690 million views as of June 2020 CleanKeyMaster ( talk) 17:22, 24 June 2020 (UTC)
@ Joelaroche and Balolay: You have both been edit warring at the article. WP:Edit warring is against Wikipedia rules and could get you blocked from editing. I have temporarily protected the article to stop the edit warring. Discuss your differences here at the talk page instead. Be specific about what you think the article should say or not say. And focus on the content; don't complain about the other editor. Just prove that your version is the right one. -- MelanieN ( talk) 17:01, 13 July 2020 (UTC)
I invite User:Joelaroche here to discuss his concerns regarding the initial version of the article. I hope that we reach a middle ground hete on which all parties agree meanwhile I am restoring the article on its initial version. I will also respond to the changes made in the article by him/her here in a detailed way a little later. Regards Balolay ( talk) 04:16, 14 July 2020 (UTC)
MelanieN, it could be time to protect this article again. Gråbergs Gråa Sång ( talk) 21:08, 29 July 2020 (UTC)
User:Balolay. This is in regards to the following content:
"The show has been well received, particularly in South Asia and Azerbaijan.[4][5] However, several countries in the Arab world have banned the show and fatwas have been issued against it.[6][7][8] The show has also received criticism for a lack of historical accuracy,[9] depiction of non-Muslims in a negative manner and for glorifying Islamic fundamentalism.[3][10]"
First point: This claims that the show is historically inaccurate. I believe that this is irrelevant as the show is fictitious and has not claimed to be accurate. Also, looking at the source, this claim is coming from the opinion piece of a Physics teacher, not an expert in the relevant field of history. See WP:SPS.
Second point: This claims that the show depicts non-muslims in a negative manner. I could not find this claim in the cited source. Post the quote and link here.
Third point: There is a claim that the show glorifies Islamic fundamentalism. Again, I could not find this claim in the cited sources. If it's there, quote it and post the link.
Fourth point: There is a sentence that claims that the show has multiple fatwas against it. One source mentions only Egypt, and the other source is questionable as its exceptional claims are not fact checked or backed by any other source that I could find. See WP:QS and WP:EXCEPTIONAL.
Fifth point: The first sentence is not backed by the cited sources. The sources only mention Pakistan, not the rest of South Asia or Azerbaijan. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Joelaroche ( talk • contribs) 11:57, 14 July 2020 (UTC)
Comment Balolay, "The show has also received criticism for a lack of historical accuracy,[10] depiction of non-Muslims in a negative manner and for glorifying Islamic fundamentalism.[3][11]" Does not belong in the WP:LEAD since it's not a summary of anything in the body. Move it to the body, perhaps expand it, then maybe it may deserve a mention in the lead, maybe not. Gråbergs Gråa Sång ( talk) 11:58, 15 July 2020 (UTC)
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"However, several countries in the Arab world have banned the show and fatwas have been issued against it."
Your sources for this, Yeni Şafak and nayaduar.tv, are questionable and unreliable. See WP:QUESTIONABLE. Provide evidence that they have a reputation for fact-checking and accuracy.
"The show has also received criticism for a lack of historical accuracy"
See WP:HISTRS and Wikipedia:Reliable source examples#History. When dealing with history, it is generally recommended to provide reliable sources that include authoritative figures in the relevant area. An opinion piece by a physics teacher does not fit this description. Furthermore, if this were to be included in the article, it would need to be clearly shown that it is an opinion. See WP:RSOPINION. For example, Pervez Hoodbhoy, a writer for Dawn and physics teacher, criticized the show by describing it as "a free-wheeling caricature of 13th-century Anatolia of which we know next to nothing." This should also not be included in the WP:LEAD. See WP:UNDUE. Since this is the viewpoint of an extremely small minority, including this or giving a summary of this author's opinion in the WP:LEAD would give it more than needed attention and space, which is highly inappropriate as it would give it undue weight.
"depiction of non-Muslims in a negative manner"
You haven't addressed my second point about this.
"and for glorifying Islamic fundamentalism."
I don't see how "dangerous delusions" is in any way evidence of the show glorifying Islamic fundamentalism, a movement which did not exist in the 13th century. Please explain. Joelaroche ( talk) 12:42, 15 July 2020 (UTC)
You don’t negotiate with me about what to say; you negotiate with the other editors here. Here’s where the situation stands:
So those are the issue that need consensus. You should probably discuss them separately, since some of them might not even be controversial, or might reach agreement more easily than others. -- MelanieN ( talk) 17:51, 16 July 2020 (UTC)
Joelaroche Sorry for being obscure. That quote was just because I thought it was funny, not very useful as content. The article, however, may have some use somewhere. And thanks for the info. Gråbergs Gråa Sång ( talk) 21:49, 22 July 2020 (UTC)
Since there's more editors participating, I'd like to suggest reinserting Bilgiç also received negative attention from Pakistani fans on social media, who critisized her behaviour outside the series as morally lacking.[15][16][17] Other castmembers have also been affected.[18] (not in the lead, after the "like to visit Pakistan" bit). Previously discussed and reffed in the Talk:Diriliş:_Ertuğrul#Controversial_statements thread above. One more ref [16] (already used for other stuff in the article) And another [17]. Gråbergs Gråa Sång ( talk) 16:09, 17 July 2020 (UTC)
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Hi there,
Please change "Bogac tries to kill Gunduz, but is killed by Turgut, who rescues Gunduz and is made head of Alps by Ertugrul." to "Bogac tries to kill Gunduz, but is killed by Hayme and Turgut. They rescue Gunduz and Turgut is made head of Alps by Ertugrul." because it is Hayme who kills Bogac with a bow and arrow, not Turgut.
Also, I was wanting to add in some of the episode listings from Netflix for some of the main events, to create ease of navigation for those watching the series. These are within the "Cast and characters" description box.
Aykiz Hatun: Change "Dies after getting seriously burnt while fighting the Mongols at the beginning of Season 2." to "Dies after getting seriously burnt while fighting the Mongols (Netflix Season 2, Episode 4)"
Deli Demir: Change " Is killed by Tangut." to " Is killed by Tangut (Netflix Season 2, Episode 63"
Gokce Hatun: Change "Later becomes wife of Tuğtekin, Bey of the Dodurga tribe." to "Later becomes wife of Tuğtekin, Bey of the Dodurga tribe (Netflix Season 2, Episode 67)."
Gokce Hatun: Change "Is killed by Noyan along with her husband Tugtekin." to "Is killed by Noyan along with her husband Tugtekin (Netflix Season 2, Episode 92)."
Tugtekin Bey: Change "However, he is killed by Noyan but still encourages the migration." to "However, he is killed by Noyan (Netflix Season 2, Episode 95) but still encourages the migration"
Shahzade Yigit/Yigit Alp: Change "Killed in an ambush laid by Emir Sadettin." to "Killed in an ambush laid by Emir Sadettin at the end of Season 2 (Netflix Season 2, Episode 103).
Dogan Alp: Change " Is later killed by Vasilius and Ural.Gets married to Banu Cicek of dodurga tribe and has a son named Doğan." to "Gets married to Banu Cicek of Dodurga tribe and has a son named Doğan. Is later killed by Vasilius and Ural (Netflix Season 3, Episode 67)."
Bamsi Beyrek: Change "Married Hafsa Hatun and has two children, Aslihan and Aybars." to " Married Hafsa Hatun (Netflix Season 3, Episode 73) and has two children, Aslihan and Aybars."
Hafsa Hatun/Helena: Change "Later lives with the Kayı tribe and became Bamsi Beyrek's wife, converted to Islam and changed her name to Hafsa." to "Later lives with the Kayı tribe and became Bamsi Beyrek's wife (Netflix Season 3, Episode 73), converted to Islam and changed her name to Hafsa."
Halime Sultan: Change "Dies shortly after giving birth to Osman." to "Dies shortly after giving birth to Osman (Netflix Season 4, Episode 76)."
Suleyman Alp: Change "Killed by Beybolat Bey/Albaştı." to "Killed by Beybolat Bey/Albaştı (Season 5, Episode 55)." Ceejayy55 ( talk) 20:50, 20 July 2020 (UTC)
Hi, there is a problem in one of its contents. In Season 1(1.1 content), check Halime Sultan (of 17th century). It should be Halime Sultan (of 13th century). IAmAtHome ( talk) 02:41, 22 July 2020 (UTC)
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Please allow me to edit this Article. Please remove "Muslim Game of Thornes" from this arcticle because this is not "Game of Thornes". 78.95.159.255 ( talk) 08:43, 10 August 2020 (UTC)
Done Seagull123 Φ 13:11, 10 August 2020 (UTC)
Someone who knows could insert a short parenthesis telling us what an alp is in this series. Somewhere in the season 2 section, perhaps. Gråbergs Gråa Sång ( talk) 08:45, 1 September 2020 (UTC)
IAmAtHome ( talk) 09:11, 1 September 2020 (UTC)
@ IAmAtHome: Sorry for interruption, but Alp is a given Male name in Turkey, you can check it here Alp (name) hope it helps, but it’s quite rare, some people may use this as a short name. Tahaaleem ( talk) 09:54, 1 September 2020 (UTC)
IAmAtHome ( talk) 10:52, 1 September 2020 (UTC)
This section is becoming very bloated. I looked around for some guidance on this, and found MOS:TVCAST. I quote:
Remember to follow the notability guidelines when creating a cast list: not every fictional character ever created deserves to be listed and far fewer will deserve an individual article (the average TV series has no characters that need stand-alone articles). It may be appropriate to split the cast listing by "Main" and "Recurring" cast or characters. If the series is long-running, and has a large number of recurring guest stars, it may be better to create a separate list of characters articles (see below for style guidelines on "List of ..." pages).
I think it would be an improvement if we cut this list to "main" cast, possibly adding a column for which seasons they are in, and either deleted the rest or put them in a separate article. Gråbergs Gråa Sång ( talk) 11:30, 7 September 2020 (UTC)
The genre "Islamic" in the infobox should be changed into Islamic history. 45.125.220.162 ( talk) 17:35, 19 October 2020 (UTC)
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Let me edit the characters and the plot please.
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Originally aired 179.181.126.45 ( talk) 15:38, 4 December 2020 (UTC)
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change pregnent to pregnant in the season 2 description ATandem ( talk) 19:42, 6 December 2020 (UTC)
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I would like to edit this article because there are multiple spoilers in this article that really aren't fair to new watchers. And there are grammatical errors, spelling errors, punctuation errors, etc. NekoSenpai15 ( talk) 14:03, 9 December 2020 (UTC)
I think someone should add a logo rather than the TRT Ertugrul by PTV thumbnail in the infobox. Limorina ( talk) 15:36, 13 December 2020 (UTC)
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PLease anyone change File:TRT Ertugrul by PTV.png to File:DirilişErtugrul.jpg in the Pakistan section of the article because File:TRT Ertugrul by PTV.png is uploaded under wrong license on wikimedia commons while File:DirilişErtugrul.jpg is also a poster of this series by PTV uploaded under the suitable license of fair use and can be used instead of it.Thank You. 119.160.119.130 ( talk) 10:52, 18 December 2020 (UTC)
I just reverted this:
"It's Turkish, Urdu and Arabic language YouTube channels together have over 3 billion views worldwide. [1] [2] [3]"
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"We don't care, and per the sources you added, no they don't. Take it to the talkpage, and bring other sources than YT."
If any such numbers are to be mentioned, they need secondary WP:RS who noticed and bothered to write something about it (compare with what's in the article already), otherwise they are not interesting to mention, this is not a fan-page. Also WP:LEAD.
Comments? Gråbergs Gråa Sång ( talk) 13:15, 18 December 2020 (UTC)
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Loyal Kayi Alp, blood brothers to Gunket and Melikshah. One of the front Alps most loyal to Ertugrul, Bamsi and Tugrut. Martyred by Arikkbuka in Season 5. LolaNazele ( talk) 03:53, 26 December 2020 (UTC)
Limorina, is Sadettins actor really credited in seasons 1 & 5? Also, is Esra credited in season 5? IronManCap ( talk) 17:55, 8 January 2021 (UTC)
@ Tahaaleem, IronManCap, and Empire AS: So, I was thinking if it was worth putting time into adding a plot summary for each episode. I'm talking about the DE seasons articles as a whole like I did for the KO seasons. It may take me five weeks to do it but if it's worth it, I'll do it maybe if someone could help me. Limorina ( talk) 23:16, 10 January 2021 (UTC)
IronManCap, so the truth is, in the show, nobody is called "Bey Hatun" neither are they called "Hanım." In the show, they are either called "Head Hatun" or "Hatun." "Bey Hatun" is just a load of nonsense, especially the "second-in-command" bit, we can link it with her being the wife if the Bey but it still seems very wrong. "Hanım" is the historical term for this title which was the reason Michelle Tomlinson added it which isn't relevant because this show is fiction and it's a show anyway. What we can do now is just keep it as Hanım or change it all to Hatun or Head Hatun but Bey Hatun is just a load of nonsense and that title doesn't even exist in the show or history. Limorina ( talk) 10:31, 11 January 2021 (UTC)
This show is a historical show that is based on real life events. Using the title of hanim is not wrong. They have used this title in the show before actually and the title of bey hatun has been used multiple times. Head Hatun has been used once and that was only in the last episode. Nevertheless, the historically accurate title is Hanim. You cannot use 'hatun' because that just means lady and nearly every Turkish woman is referred to as hatun.
Don't understand how wife of the bey is wrong. A woman becomes leader of the women because of her husband's position. Also, the second in command stuff was removed anyway so don't know why you're bringing up old stuff. Michelle Tomlinson ( talk) 12:21, 12 January 2021 (UTC)
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change wows in season 3 desc. to vows [typo] ATandem ( talk) 16:39, 18 January 2021 (UTC)
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Campycipro, about this edit: [20]. That TRT writes "Look how popular we are on Youtube!!!!!!" is not very interesting to put in the article per WP:ABOUTSELF #1. It's possibly a little better than citing YT directly, but not much. WP is not here to sell this tv-series. Gråbergs Gråa Sång ( talk) 14:01, 28 May 2021 (UTC)
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Add "citation needed" at the end of paragraph 3. Bobbharti ( talk) 10:03, 3 January 2022 (UTC)